It's getting harder to avoid the crowds even way,way outback.

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Had a fantastic Madigan Line crossing in July with 2 other vehicles.
Could not quite believe that in the vastness of the Northern Simpson we were being closely tailed by a Tag along group of 10 vehicles. In fairness their leader was a very considerate bloke, but it still made our trek feel quite a bit less ( just us and the desert). We even had them surround us at camp 13 for the night. Big area though.
How's the serenity!
Where to next!
Christine
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Reply By: KiwiAngler - Monday, Aug 14, 2017 at 12:14

Monday, Aug 14, 2017 at 12:14
If it had been me I would have stopped for a day, let them pass and continue on next day without them
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Follow Up By: Member - Christine and Lindsay - Monday, Aug 14, 2017 at 12:32

Monday, Aug 14, 2017 at 12:32
We sort of tried that but they were slower at times and then would catch up.
We did stop for half a day. Then we caught up to them anyway the next day. Too many flies to prop for a full day. We were also a bit wary off getting stuck behind them considering they had 10 vehicles which would take forever to get over any sand dunes which required snatching or winching. It was not as simple as it would seem.
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Follow Up By: Robyn C8 - Saturday, Aug 19, 2017 at 15:03

Saturday, Aug 19, 2017 at 15:03
I can't believe they needed to snatch or winch over some of the dunes!!!!!!....I'm not bragging here at all...but if they'd let their tyres down enough...they would NOT have any propblems. We towed our TVan over every dune. With the weight penalty as the only difference between us and them, it really surprises me that they had to do that!!!!
We would not enjoy a busy track either....the track is fast becoming the "new Simpson". We did it 2 years ago with fellow TVanners (1 vehicle) and didn't see a soul for 10 days (Old Andado to Birdsville)...that was soooooo nice.
I really feel for you and your companions Christine!!!!
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Follow Up By: Member - Christine and Lindsay - Saturday, Aug 19, 2017 at 22:44

Saturday, Aug 19, 2017 at 22:44
In fairness it was mostly at the beginning that they were having a bit of bother. Inexperience by one vehicle I think. The trip leader was very obliging in attempting to keep a distance between them and us but as we said previously it is not so simple on one track. Next time we will take a mesh shelter to keep the flies at bay, and stop longer if the track is busy. The trouble is that you never know who else is heading your way. Still thoroughly enjoyed the trip.

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Reply By: TTTSA - Monday, Aug 14, 2017 at 12:26

Monday, Aug 14, 2017 at 12:26
Hahaha we did it back in 2012 I think, gps point to gps point. Didn't see a vehicle from Mt. Dare to Big Red.

The outback is changing rapidly.
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Follow Up By: Member - Christine and Lindsay - Monday, Aug 14, 2017 at 12:38

Monday, Aug 14, 2017 at 12:38
What month!? We did the French line in September 2010 and there were some vehicles. Also in June 2011 and lots of people, particularly around poepples corner.
Agree though. We are glad we did the Big Lap in 1983.
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Follow Up By: TTTSA - Tuesday, Aug 15, 2017 at 05:22

Tuesday, Aug 15, 2017 at 05:22
Mid March, we were the 1st group over that year.

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Follow Up By: Member - Christine and Lindsay - Tuesday, Aug 15, 2017 at 07:33

Tuesday, Aug 15, 2017 at 07:33
That makes sense, not so busy
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Reply By: Member - nick b boab - Tuesday, Aug 15, 2017 at 00:52

Tuesday, Aug 15, 2017 at 00:52
Sounds like a bit of bad luck timing ~ how often are u likely to strike a 10 car convoy?
But i all ways think it best not travering in school hoilday if u can avoid it.
We did the simpson this year after the finke desert race a peek time for this drive but we had a good run although a lot of people doing the same it was quite good & traffic was fine .
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Follow Up By: Member - Christine and Lindsay - Tuesday, Aug 15, 2017 at 07:33

Tuesday, Aug 15, 2017 at 07:33
The problem is that I am a teacher
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Reply By: Bob Y. - Qld - Tuesday, Aug 15, 2017 at 05:40

Tuesday, Aug 15, 2017 at 05:40
In June 2016, our Madigan journey was as peaceful as, Christine! Didn't see a vehicle from Old Andado to the Hay.

This year, in July, we passed a group heading west near Marshall's Bluff, and later had a group of blokes following us every day. We were starting early each day, just to keep ahead of them, and the possible damage they were doing to approaches, towing 2 trailers. They did catch us at Camp 13, but we were set up at the southern end, and they camped at the northern end. We eventually "lost" them when we headed east at Camp 16.

Certainly puts a dampener on the experience, knowing you might have "neighbours" at the next camp site, or suffer extra damage to dune approaches. There was a lot extra chopped up approaches compared to 2016. Otherwise it was a good journey, with good companions, topped off by doing Camps 16-22. And no breakdowns or dramas of any kind!

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Follow Up By: Member - Christine and Lindsay - Tuesday, Aug 15, 2017 at 07:36

Tuesday, Aug 15, 2017 at 07:36
Sounds like you had a similar experience to us. It's just the luck of the draw.
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Reply By: Member - Stephen L (Clare SA) - Tuesday, Aug 15, 2017 at 07:56

Tuesday, Aug 15, 2017 at 07:56
Hi Christine

If you want to head out into the Simpson Desert and not see one single vehicle until you get back onto normal travelled tracks, do a Simpson Geo trip where it is 100% cross country and the only thing that will pass you will be the time of day......lol.





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Follow Up By: Les - PK Ranger - Tuesday, Aug 15, 2017 at 08:37

Tuesday, Aug 15, 2017 at 08:37
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Pretty much . . . at this stage anyway :)

Once you've done SA's crossings more than once you are really ready for the next step, and the NT Simpson (particularly geo hill / centre area, all the old shotline routes) are definitely 'out there' :) :)

Madigan Line out of school hols and peak desert months you are usually fine too, it's still reasonably quiet.
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Reply By: Member - mechpete - Tuesday, Aug 15, 2017 at 14:06

Tuesday, Aug 15, 2017 at 14:06
when we did our CSR trip in 05 from H/Crk down
we didn.t see another vehicle for the 1st 8 days then
after that heaps of idiots goin north plenty of young kids on unregoed dirt bikes , dad an his mates following behind , when we spoke to them about the bikes an the kids they couldn,t give a stuff about other vehicles
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Reply By: Crackles - Tuesday, Aug 15, 2017 at 19:00

Tuesday, Aug 15, 2017 at 19:00
The moment you have a major video released of a remote area tagged along by the Hema map crew you can guarantee the crowds will follow shortly thereafter.
I think the days of seeing no-one else on the Madigan are coming to an end. I know of 5 separate crews hoping to do the run in the next two years.
The trick is staying one step ahead & going to places people haven't heard of.
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Reply By: braincell - Wednesday, Aug 16, 2017 at 13:16

Wednesday, Aug 16, 2017 at 13:16
Your right there Crackles , Hire a 4wd and drive round Iceland in late Oct ,I did and didn't see too many on the roads.Only a few mad chinese flogging over potholes in a camry which they weren't suppose to do .

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Reply By: Dean K3 - Wednesday, Aug 16, 2017 at 15:07

Wednesday, Aug 16, 2017 at 15:07
If you feel that its becoming a bit to hectic out there - you & I were born probably 60-100 or so years too late.

Population is getting bigger and well it can't all be along the coastline indefinitely

Honestly I'd rather see a small group or a few trucks on some treks I have done (alone self driver navigator camp setter cook etc) and honestly If I see somebody stuck I offer assistance and I hope they would do same if I was in same situation.
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Follow Up By: Member - Christine and Lindsay - Wednesday, Aug 16, 2017 at 22:06

Wednesday, Aug 16, 2017 at 22:06
We did 12 months around OZ in 1983 so we have definitely enjoyed the outback with hardly anyone around. We don't mind meeting the odd group, it was just the huge group that was a bit much.

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Reply By: Shaker - Wednesday, Aug 16, 2017 at 22:54

Wednesday, Aug 16, 2017 at 22:54
So aren't you just one of the "crowd"?
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Follow Up By: Les - PK Ranger - Wednesday, Aug 16, 2017 at 23:41

Wednesday, Aug 16, 2017 at 23:41
True.
A bit like metro peak hour, and cranky about being stuck in traffic, the irony.
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Follow Up By: Member - Christine and Lindsay - Thursday, Aug 17, 2017 at 09:48

Thursday, Aug 17, 2017 at 09:48
Point taken and often mentioned as a bit of a joke at our own expense when we attempt to find empty places to travel around. Mind you I think the peak hour analogy is a bit off the topic. You know it will be peak hour so you just accept it as normal. Happy travels!
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Follow Up By: Les - PK Ranger - Thursday, Aug 17, 2017 at 09:53

Thursday, Aug 17, 2017 at 09:53
Yes traffic is a little different, but I hear it a lot, "blasted traffic, was stuck for an extra hour !!"

Personally I think I like deserts not only for their beauty but the isolation.
It's why the SA Simpson, for example, isn't terribly up there on my list of places to tour any longer if I can go another route through the NT.

WA beckons :)
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Follow Up By: Member Kerry W (WA) - Thursday, Aug 17, 2017 at 16:36

Thursday, Aug 17, 2017 at 16:36
Somehow never feel just one of "the crowd", maybe I kid myself, but it's the way one travels (as opposed to sightseeing it's important to experience a place), the reasons for being there and the respect for the place. Luckily it's usually easy to predict the herd mentality and plan to avoid the worst experiences (traffic jams?) they can offer. Also having a vehicle that can traverse a bit deeper into the bush is a must to avoid the crowds...

We can visit Fraser Is in the middle of Christmas rush and still have some places to ourselves for a few hours.eg Lake McKenzie at dusk and dawn when the tourists have scuttled back to some secure hideaway from the dark and dangerous Australian bush. Likewise some of the best experiences ... like fishing the beaches at night are usually tourist free as there is much fear instilled to the uninitiated about rising tides, soft sand,dingos, drop bears and not finding campsites in the dark.

So it is a manageable problem.

Mind you you meet some great people at times!!
Kerry W (Qld)
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Follow Up By: Member - David M (SA) - Thursday, Aug 17, 2017 at 19:54

Thursday, Aug 17, 2017 at 19:54
"Who's been leaving footy prints all over my desert"

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Reply By: Member Kerry W (WA) - Thursday, Aug 17, 2017 at 13:46

Thursday, Aug 17, 2017 at 13:46
I know how you feel - for years (since 1976) had a favourite spot high in the Nth NSW hills (I will say no more) discovered quite by accident - shared with locals - absolute pristine environment, not on private property, crystal clear river, green grass, no flies. We respected and worshipped the privelige of setting foot there. (Worth world heritage listing in my opinion).

Recently some Einstein on a popular 4WD TV show visited and promoted the place as secret and Pristine - now it is stuffed - rubbish, toilet paper, burnouts, vegetation loss, cut down trees, erosion and overcrowding during public holidays.

Very sad to lose sacred space to those who dont appreciate it - was one of those last magic places up in them there hills.

Now live in WA and can find solitude in the Great Western Woodlands or along the southern coastline where population pressure is not so great.

Kerry W (Qld)
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Follow Up By: Member - Christine and Lindsay - Thursday, Aug 17, 2017 at 15:41

Thursday, Aug 17, 2017 at 15:41
I feel your pain! Even worse the morons that trash the place. Glad you have found some nice spots in WA. We have a couple in the Vic High Country which have not been over run yet.
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Follow Up By: Shaker - Thursday, Aug 17, 2017 at 16:54

Thursday, Aug 17, 2017 at 16:54
There are two things I never tell people about, good camp sites & good firewood spots!

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Reply By: Member - Paul B (WA) - Friday, Aug 18, 2017 at 08:41

Friday, Aug 18, 2017 at 08:41
It's not so much the crowds that do my head in as the vehicles they drive with their huge lifts and massive tyres that turn any puddle into a massive bog hole you could lose a whole vehicle in within a year or two.
Thanks very much 4WD mags and suspension joints. For years I was able to get wherever I wanted pretty much, with a bog standard 4WD. Increasingly this is absolutely not the case.
Time to go sailing instead maybe!
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Follow Up By: William P - Sunday, Aug 20, 2017 at 20:33

Sunday, Aug 20, 2017 at 20:33
Its not the vehicle but the driver and their attitude.
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Reply By: wombat100 - Friday, Aug 18, 2017 at 16:32

Friday, Aug 18, 2017 at 16:32
Maybe they were pi$$ed off because you were disturbing their serenity !!!!
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