Hema app enquiry

If I buy the Hema digital map app ($49.95), how much of Australia does this get me? The whole lot or do I have to choose sections? And is the $49.95 for good or only last say, one year? New to this. Many thanks. DJ
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Reply By: IvanTheTerrible - Monday, Nov 20, 2017 at 20:05

Monday, Nov 20, 2017 at 20:05
Hema Explorer gives you the whole lot including The High country, Fraser Island, The Kimberly, Cape York and the Great Deserts
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Reply By: Motherhen - Monday, Nov 20, 2017 at 22:42

Monday, Nov 20, 2017 at 22:42
We purchased Hema Explorer for $49.95 (basic mapping, not detailed like their dearer mapping). But it would not run on our tablet - operating system not up to date so it was no good. Hema said they would refund our payment if we sent them the Google Apps receipt number - but we never got one so that failed.

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Follow Up By: Deejay - Tuesday, Nov 21, 2017 at 09:27

Tuesday, Nov 21, 2017 at 09:27
Thanks Motherhen. I will be putting the app onto a new Galaxy Tab A. I've been to Telstra, ARB, JB HiFi and several more asking if this device will do GPS mapping and NONE of these people can tell me. So I'm taking a gamble and going ahead with the purchase anyway. Have you got any advice?
P.S I was going to buy a HX1 and avoid all this angst but Mrs Telstra gave me the iPad as part of a phone/internet bundle.
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Follow Up By: Motherhen - Tuesday, Nov 21, 2017 at 09:33

Tuesday, Nov 21, 2017 at 09:33
I am no help DJ as I never got to use it. If you have a new pad it should work fine.
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Follow Up By: Sigmund - Tuesday, Nov 21, 2017 at 11:53

Tuesday, Nov 21, 2017 at 11:53
I've had 3 Samsung Galaxy 8" tablets and it only ran on one properly. That was the Note.

I don't think the others (which included the Tab A) had enough graphics memory or processing power. When you panned or zoomed the screen wouldn't rewrite completely.
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Follow Up By: ExplorOz Team - Michelle - Tuesday, Nov 21, 2017 at 12:21

Tuesday, Nov 21, 2017 at 12:21
Deejay, I can't believe people at all those stores can't give you basic advice about the GPS. In 2 minutes flat I've got the answer for you.

Firstly there are 3 current models of the Galaxy Tab A and the specs all confirm it has GPS, Glonass, and Beidou location technology. How do I know? I looked at the Samsung website and clicked on Specs for each unit.

I wish you were buying the ExplorOz Traveller app with the EOTopo offline Premium Map set but happy to help on any technology issue.
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Follow Up By: Motherhen - Tuesday, Nov 21, 2017 at 13:25

Tuesday, Nov 21, 2017 at 13:25
While Deejay should have no problems with his new unit, ours was due to the Tablet being a few years old and not compatible with Hema Explorer. It has GPS and was fine for the free version of Memory Maps, but that was limited in detail.

Hema did offer us a refund.
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Follow Up By: Gramps - Tuesday, Nov 21, 2017 at 16:24

Tuesday, Nov 21, 2017 at 16:24
Deejay,
The Samsung Galaxy Tab A should work fine for mapping with it's internal GPS. I'm using one now with the Android version of Oziexplorer.

Ps I can't comment on the Hema app though

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Follow Up By: Deejay - Tuesday, Nov 21, 2017 at 19:42

Tuesday, Nov 21, 2017 at 19:42
Thank you for replying Michelle. I'm more than happy to consider your map app but before I commit I'll explain what I'm after. A few years back we drove up the Canning with several friends. Two of them had digital mapping devices enabling us to locate, within 10 mtrs, a track that was only 2 wheel ruts. I was amazed at the detail and accuracy. That's the kind of detail I'm after. If ExplorOz can do that, I'm certainly interested. Can you please tell me all the features of ExplorOz or directions where I can read them? Also, I'm not an Exploroz member, so how can I communicate with you for advice? Hoping you can help, DJ.
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Follow Up By: Motherhen - Tuesday, Nov 21, 2017 at 20:04

Tuesday, Nov 21, 2017 at 20:04
Hema $49.95 version will not be what you want then Deejay.
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Follow Up By: IvanTheTerrible - Tuesday, Nov 21, 2017 at 20:25

Tuesday, Nov 21, 2017 at 20:25
We use Hema Explorer on a Tab A and we did The Canning at Easter solely using Hema standard Explorer so I don't know why MotherHen is saying it's not right. We planned two trips using ExplorOz only to have to cancel them at the last minute when we found out one track was and had been for twenty years and the other track hadn't existed since the early Sixties. I'll give Hema one thing. They drive the tracks they map. It isn't perfect but it hasn't let us down in 5 years of use.
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Follow Up By: Motherhen - Tuesday, Nov 21, 2017 at 20:39

Tuesday, Nov 21, 2017 at 20:39
Thanks for the clarification Ivan. We did use a friends to check it out while out driving with them. It did not seem as fully detailed as I would expect from purchasing Hema 4wd maps.

I therefore did not expect it to have the type of thing Deejay is seeking such as off road tracks like "A few years back we drove up the Canning with several friends. Two of them had digital mapping devices enabling us to locate, within 10 mtrs, a track that was only 2 wheel ruts. I was amazed at the detail and accuracy. "

Would it really have that much detail in the basic Hema Explorer?
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Follow Up By: IvanTheTerrible - Tuesday, Nov 21, 2017 at 20:59

Tuesday, Nov 21, 2017 at 20:59
We did the Canning, Gary Highway and Gunbarrel at Easter. We knew exactly were we at all times. On the Canning it splits in a few spots and we new instantly we were on the right track. The Gunbarrel is just a collection of diversions which we had to do in the dark. We could see how far off the track we were. Sure the zoom is not the best but it is more than adequate for everything we have done so far. Honestly it's the best $30 I have spent for outback travel
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Follow Up By: Sigmund - Wednesday, Nov 22, 2017 at 13:22

Wednesday, Nov 22, 2017 at 13:22
Hema only drive and check popular routes.

On their paper maps that's marked in purple. It's not exactly overwhelming.


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Follow Up By: IvanTheTerrible - Wednesday, Nov 22, 2017 at 20:11

Wednesday, Nov 22, 2017 at 20:11
And the others drive how many tracks?
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Follow Up By: Sigmund - Thursday, Nov 23, 2017 at 06:46

Thursday, Nov 23, 2017 at 06:46
If you're not gunna drive the lot there's little point in driving any*. What you do instead is source recent map data from a reliable provider, amend errors promptly and check for inconsistencies among the maps you issue that cover the same territory.

You'll find posts in this forum about Hema on the second two. Enjoy the read.

* Or else your offer should read something like "some of the roads and tracks we show we know to be correct".
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Follow Up By: Member - Stephen L (Clare SA) - Thursday, Nov 23, 2017 at 06:58

Thursday, Nov 23, 2017 at 06:58
Hi Sigmund

Sorry to hear your thoughts, but sorry you are wrong.

Hema have the most up to date map sets available on the Market today in Australia............period.

They are the only company that do Australia wide field checking and the GPS purple lines on maps that you talk about are on their Great Desert Tracks series of maps.

I am now going searching for some very interesting reading for you to have a look at......


Keep an eye out for my next follow up.



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Follow Up By: Sigmund - Thursday, Nov 23, 2017 at 07:13

Thursday, Nov 23, 2017 at 07:13
Stephen, I have the Explorer app (v2, v3), have had a Navigator 5Ni and have a whole collection of their paper maps.

When Explorer was updated to 150K I opened it at areas I know well and found two errors straight away. One represented a walking track as a vehicle track on the Bogong High Plains - an ancient status. When I compared those errors to their other maps they didn't have them. So here we have the updated mapset that's worse than what it's replacing.

That initial experience has been repeated a number of times (eg. Newhaven, Depot Beach). I now use other maps: Oztopo, Natmap, Vicmap etc.

Do have a read here among the posts from those who've accepted Hema's invitation to notify errors and found nothing was done.
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Follow Up By: Sigmund - Thursday, Nov 23, 2017 at 10:26

Thursday, Nov 23, 2017 at 10:26
And perhaps Stephen you have information that I don't.

Where does their map data come from and when was it last updated?
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Follow Up By: ExplorOz Team - Michelle - Thursday, Nov 23, 2017 at 13:08

Thursday, Nov 23, 2017 at 13:08
HI Deejay, Sorry I missed your direct question for me so only just replying now. You can email me directly or call me - see details on the Contact Us page of this site.

If you'd like to read some info on ExplorOz Traveller, this is found in the site menu - link here ExplorOz Traveller Info Page here

If you go to Places and click map - you can see the actual map data you would get in the app. What you see online is the exact data and scale that you get in ExplorOz Traveller with full zoom to 144K scale offline (plus button to change map layer to access online satellite maps and street maps), and icons on map for POIs are clickable to get more info. Our app also comes with 180 trek routes for autoguidance offline - and can be modified by you to create Private Treks or you can start from scratch and build your own. Both the POI data and Treks data comes from our live server where our updates are managed - app users can access the updates any time they like free.
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Reply By: gerard m2 - Tuesday, Nov 21, 2017 at 02:10

Tuesday, Nov 21, 2017 at 02:10
it covers the whole country and the $49 mean she you own the app.you subscribe to much more detailed maps for about $60 per year
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Reply By: Bob Y. - Qld - Tuesday, Nov 21, 2017 at 06:44

Tuesday, Nov 21, 2017 at 06:44
Deejay,

Get the Hema 4WD maps app for about $99. Lots of Australia wide maps and you can track progress, fix weigh points etc.

Been using it for some years with no dramas.

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Follow Up By: Deejay - Tuesday, Nov 21, 2017 at 09:03

Tuesday, Nov 21, 2017 at 09:03
Thanks Bob. Would this be a one-off payment or $99 per year?
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Follow Up By: Les - PK Ranger - Tuesday, Nov 21, 2017 at 09:46

Tuesday, Nov 21, 2017 at 09:46
Once of payment Deejay, you get small scale mapping for general touring, and large scale maps for many popular regions for the $100 odd.

If you wanted detailed (large scale) maps for high country etc, these need to be purchased (eg 2 maps for Vic in 25k, east and west), so I guess it comes down to what you want the mapping for and regions.
I love my Hema 4WD Maps, and combine it with free apps like Mapout for cross referencing things.
There are about 105 maps all up on 4WD Maps.

So what are you planning on using if for ?
Particular areas or just overview touring ?
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Follow Up By: Les - PK Ranger - Tuesday, Nov 21, 2017 at 14:02

Tuesday, Nov 21, 2017 at 14:02
Meant to add, if you do go for an app, buy through your online app store.
First, look for discount itunes or other cards at your big stores, JB Hifi, Target, etc, someone usually has a reasonable dsiscount around 15%, but can be 20% off at times, so you buy the $100 itunes card for $85 or $80 and use it to make the app purchase.
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Follow Up By: Deejay - Tuesday, Nov 21, 2017 at 19:30

Tuesday, Nov 21, 2017 at 19:30
Thanks for your reply Les. To answer your questions.
1. I want to use the maps so as I can take the more minor, remote shortcuts through state forests etc. I would like greater detail than my paper maps. I also want to see where I am on the track. We recently crossed the Simpson using a Hema paper map and found it very good but it would have been nice to be able to determine how we were progressing along the track using a icon.
2. Our next trip will be the Kimberly region but would also like maps for out-of-the-way places for eastern NSW and Victoria.
Thanks again.



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Follow Up By: Bob Y. - Qld - Tuesday, Nov 21, 2017 at 19:48

Tuesday, Nov 21, 2017 at 19:48
Deejay,

This is an example of what you can achieve using Hema maps, and logging your travels.



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Reply By: Member - cruza25 - Tuesday, Nov 21, 2017 at 09:37

Tuesday, Nov 21, 2017 at 09:37
This site offers a great mapping app which runs on the iPad

ExplorOz traveler app .

Click on the menu and have a read.

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Reply By: Member BarryG - Tuesday, Nov 21, 2017 at 09:44

Tuesday, Nov 21, 2017 at 09:44
Just note that not all iPads have a built-in GPS. The "WiFi Only" ones don't, but you can add an external GPS to these.
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Reply By: Sigmund - Tuesday, Nov 21, 2017 at 12:39

Tuesday, Nov 21, 2017 at 12:39
The accuracy of Hema maps in the Vic high country isn't the best. If you plan on any serious offroad navigation there look elsewhere.

You can pay a recurring subscription to get access via Explorer to the very good Vicmap topos but there are cheaper ways of doing this.

NSW topos in geoPDF format can be downloaded free in one of several scales from http://maps.six.nsw.gov.au/etopo.html
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Follow Up By: Les - PK Ranger - Tuesday, Nov 21, 2017 at 14:06

Tuesday, Nov 21, 2017 at 14:06
For sure, as I mentioned above in the 4WD Maps reply, a lot of what you buy depends on where you are going mostly.
If high country, you can get the 2 Vic 25k topos (east and / or west) from the hema map store, but they are pretty muck $100 each, but you then have them for life.
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Follow Up By: Sigmund - Tuesday, Nov 21, 2017 at 16:35

Tuesday, Nov 21, 2017 at 16:35
The 50 K are as good Les and take up much less space.

I just get the ones I need. About $9 each downloaded as geoPDFs. Run them on an old version of Avenza - cost: nix.
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Reply By: Member - wicket - Wednesday, Nov 22, 2017 at 11:39

Wednesday, Nov 22, 2017 at 11:39
Before you spend too much do yourself a favour and download a copy of Pocket Earth Pro to yor device , less than $20 from memory and you might be surprised how good it is .
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Reply By: Sigmund - Thursday, Nov 23, 2017 at 07:03

Thursday, Nov 23, 2017 at 07:03
What we call GPS for road use is a system of 3 components: the hardware, the software to record tracks and waypoints, follow routes etc, and the maps.

The maps are the guts of the system and just as with paper maps they vary a good deal.

1. Accuracy
2. Detail: scale and amount of information
3. Readability
4. Cost

It pays to be clear on your needs so that you can decide how the mapset should perform on these dimensions.

If we take 2, when you are doing close navigation through tracks where signposting is unreliable, you need a scale that's informative. In my book when up in the mountains that's no more than 50K. Out in the desert often 250K is enough.

In the Alps you need info on track status and seasonal closures (ie. gates). Outback you might need to know whether a permit is needed.

Contours are useful for estimating how passable a track might be in the wet or how hard it might be to tow a camper trailer.

If you're touring reliable POIs listing servos or camps would be useful.

When choosing between alternatives you will get a lot out of requesting a sample of the mapset you're considering to see how it represents an area you know well.
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Follow Up By: Deejay - Thursday, Nov 23, 2017 at 09:08

Thursday, Nov 23, 2017 at 09:08
So Sigmund what does '50K & 250K' mean?
Does it mean 50000 to 1 & 250000 to 1?
Thanks
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Follow Up By: Les - PK Ranger - Thursday, Nov 23, 2017 at 10:02

Thursday, Nov 23, 2017 at 10:02
Yes Deejay, map scale.
Large scale maps are those that show a smaller area in greater daetail, say 1:25k and 1:50k.
While 200k / 250k, etc are smale scale show a larger area, but usually with less detail.

This is with paper of scanned maps like Hema 4WD Maps, and some other nav mapping.

Then there are scaleable maps that show more detail as you zoom in.
I have Mapout, a free OSM app on the apple devices (not sure about android yet), and it is very handy for zooming right in to get more info, eg Madigan camps are all on there, as too small often old tracks that aren't on some of the Hema.

I use Mapout to record my routes too, gpx files.
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Follow Up By: Sigmund - Thursday, Nov 23, 2017 at 10:36

Thursday, Nov 23, 2017 at 10:36
Yep. The ratio should be in there just to be clear.

So with eg a paper map a 1:100,000 means that one unit of measurement on the map represents a hundred thousand on the ground. So if you're navigating, a millimetre on the map represents a hundred metres of terrain. As you'd expect, a lot of that terrain can't be represented in a millimetre. And that's got me in the poo in the past which is why I prefer 1:50,000 or better.

Digital maps of the right sort have the potential advantage of zooming in to show more detail - if they've got it to begin with. The Hema Explorer Android app main map is called Explorer and is 1:150 K and so doesn't have the kind of detail that's helpful in close navigation. You can for another $50 a year get access to their 1:18 K. I can't comment on its quality.
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Follow Up By: Les - PK Ranger - Thursday, Nov 23, 2017 at 10:40

Thursday, Nov 23, 2017 at 10:40
If they're good maps, 1:18k would be superb in the high country / state forests etc.
As they are digital, you should be able to just zoom a larger area and the moving map will just go along with your progress.
Paper maps would be too cumbersome as you'd need gazillions of them for a trip !! Lol.
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Follow Up By: Sigmund - Thursday, Nov 23, 2017 at 11:19

Thursday, Nov 23, 2017 at 11:19
Yeah Les.
Back in the day we took scale as a proxy for detail.
I would guess that Hema uses the same data set for those two scales and so there may not be more information. That's roughly my experience with Vicmap 25K and 50K topos.
If there was significant added info the files would be huge. As it is, with the 150K Explorer map country-wide coverage costs you about 5 gig in storage. I just run Vic and NSW and that's over a gig.
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Follow Up By: Les - PK Ranger - Thursday, Nov 23, 2017 at 11:32

Thursday, Nov 23, 2017 at 11:32
Yes, much the same for the 2 Simpson Desert maps 1:500k and 1:1.1mil maps, just the 1:1.1 mil has a lot more of the region shown.
These are aonly their scanned paper maps, but they are (either one) actually the best Simpson maps I find.
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Follow Up By: Sigmund - Thursday, Nov 23, 2017 at 11:43

Thursday, Nov 23, 2017 at 11:43
You're referring to the Westprint maps?

Yeah, produced by competent mappers who know the area well and what info is relevant to 4WD tourers.

Sadly many of their scanned paper maps don't include the text info on the reverse side.

In the Vic and NSW alps (and some mountains) the parallel is Rooftop paper maps. Invaluable for 4WDers.
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