6 Months Delay for BF Goodrich ATs

Submitted: Thursday, Jun 10, 2004 at 12:49
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I need to swap my highway tyres for ATs before I go on a trip in August but have been told there is a delay of some months for BFG ATs 265/70 R16 (Plenty of 265/75s but they are not leagal for my 2004 NP Pajero).
I wanted to go BFGs because I had a fantastic run out of the set I put on my last car, a 2001 NM Pajero.
Michellin own B F Goodrich and my tyre dealer is suggesting Michellin 4x4 AT XTT 265/70 R16. for $280 each (normal $300). BFG ATS are $275.00 each

Has anybody heard any good or bad things about the Michellin 4x4 AT XTT.

Also, what about Goodyear Wranglers. Don't particularly want Coopers STs but I am woprried that their ATs are a bit tame and not a lot different to the tread pattern of the factory supplied Yokohama Geolanders.

Thanks in advance for your comments.

Rosscoe.
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Reply By: madcow - Thursday, Jun 10, 2004 at 13:20

Thursday, Jun 10, 2004 at 13:20
i find it hard to believe that 265/75's are not "legal". It comes down to speed rating and width to a degree. FG'S are around the $240 mark generally depending where you live.
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Follow Up By: Rosscoe - Thursday, Jun 10, 2004 at 13:40

Thursday, Jun 10, 2004 at 13:40
No expert by any means on this subject, but I believe the 265/75s are more than 15 mm larger than the diameter of the tyres listed by the manufacturer and therefore a technically illeagal.
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Reply By: Dean - Thursday, Jun 10, 2004 at 13:21

Thursday, Jun 10, 2004 at 13:21
Roscoe,

I put in a similar post yesterday( bfgs unavailable till christmas).

As usual people are helpfull and tend towards the 75 series. I like you are not interested in that size for the same reasons.

At times Ive actually thought about going for 245/75/16 also . It has the same overall diameter. The big advantage, nearly all brands have that size in a 10ply LT.

Even stronger than the 265/70/16 bfg 8ply. Probably less common out of cities than the 265/70/16.

You got to wonder how the hell a manufacturing company can have a very high selling product off the market.

Dean

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Follow Up By: Rosscoe - Thursday, Jun 10, 2004 at 13:43

Thursday, Jun 10, 2004 at 13:43
Dean,

The story I have after my tyre guy rang his contact at BFG is that they have a "mould" problem. Strange that it takes months to rectify it.
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Follow Up By: Rosscoe - Thursday, Jun 10, 2004 at 13:58

Thursday, Jun 10, 2004 at 13:58
So many stories/myths about tyres. I am lead to belive that the number of plys is not measure of thicknes or strength. Who do you believe???
Methinks, get as many comments as you can from this and other forums and go with your gut feeling in the end.
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Reply By: Rosscoe - Thursday, Jun 10, 2004 at 13:42

Thursday, Jun 10, 2004 at 13:42
Dean,

The story I have after my tyre guy rang his contact at BFG is that they have a "mould" problem. Strange that it takes months to rectify it.
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Follow Up By: Dean - Thursday, Jun 10, 2004 at 13:53

Thursday, Jun 10, 2004 at 13:53
Roscoe,

I was told a die had broke, same thing I suppose.

Dean
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Reply By: Peter Guy - Thursday, Jun 10, 2004 at 14:40

Thursday, Jun 10, 2004 at 14:40
Rosscoe have a look at the new Bridgestone ATs the price is good and they look like they should do the J O B!
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Follow Up By: Rosscoe - Thursday, Jun 10, 2004 at 14:50

Thursday, Jun 10, 2004 at 14:50
Ta Peter,
I will. Have heard they don't ware as well as some of the others.
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Follow Up By: Grinner - Thursday, Jun 10, 2004 at 15:39

Thursday, Jun 10, 2004 at 15:39
I have the Bridgestone D693 Dueller AT's, in 265/70/16. The wearing problem was true for the early batch of D693's, got better with a later batch of D693's. I now have D694's fitted, and while they haven't done much off road, they seem to wearing consideralby better than the D693's. My 2c worth

Grinner
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Reply By: Peter McGuckian - Thursday, Jun 10, 2004 at 16:37

Thursday, Jun 10, 2004 at 16:37
If you look at the technical info on the BFG website you will see that the 265/70R16 tyre has a diameter of 792mm and the 265/75R16 has a diameter of 820mm. An option would be to use the 275/70R16 which measures 807mm and hence is legal.

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Reply By: 10 Para (Qld) - Thursday, Jun 10, 2004 at 16:47

Thursday, Jun 10, 2004 at 16:47
Justv about to change my tires from BFG 275/70/R16 to 285/75/R16 i have got 9 of the 275/70/R16 done 18,000k and still great i just want to go up to the 285 if you are near tje gold coast let me know as you can have 5 for 125 each should see your trip out alright and more they would only be a little difference to the size that you want your speedo would show that yopu were going 1.8% slower that is 98.2 instead of 100 and the dia would be on new tires 791.4 instead of 777.4

Also got 5 bridgestone 693 done 3500K for 100 each
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Follow Up By: Rosscoe - Thursday, Jun 10, 2004 at 16:56

Thursday, Jun 10, 2004 at 16:56
Thanks for the offer. I live in the Illawarra, South Coast NSW. I think I prefer to go new.
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Follow Up By: Member - Rick (S.A.) - Thursday, Jun 10, 2004 at 18:15

Thursday, Jun 10, 2004 at 18:15
Can't help but ask what the total retail value of:

1. your rig
2. your trailer

I am jealous of course, as I only have half that amount of FRUIT

Cheers
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Follow Up By: Rosscoe - Friday, Jun 11, 2004 at 09:47

Friday, Jun 11, 2004 at 09:47
Rick,

I assume you are interested in 10 Para's rig.
I have an NP 3.2L DiD Exceed 5-speed Auto, ECB big tube bar, IPF HID driving lights, Piranah battery tray, Sure Products Smart Separator, 85AH deep cycle auxiliary battery, GME3200 UHF radio, rear cargo mounted outlet for my Engel 40L fridge, heavy wiring to the tow bar, rear accessory outlet and Anderson plug, reversing sensors, custom fridge mount, Hayman Reese electric brake controller, windscreen mounted Garmin GPS linked to Oziexplorer software on my notebook PC.
I tow a 16 ft Coromal 505 Seka Pioneer XC dirt road caravan.
I am about to fit 5 AT tyres, King springs, Bilstein shocks and a Safari Snorkel.
I have a huge mortgage, no money in the bank and I'm not sure how long SWMBO will stay with me (it's been 36 years so far).
I'll be sweet though when she knows I'm buying the snorkel for her birthday next month!
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Reply By: MickeyJ - Thursday, Jun 10, 2004 at 20:16

Thursday, Jun 10, 2004 at 20:16
Hi Rosscoe,

I have had the Michelin XTT AT on my NM pajero for a couple of years. They have done 50000 Km, and less than hlaf worn. Never had a puncture. Been throyugh Flinders and Gammon ranges, plus lots of trips around NSW. I have no complaints about them. THey are good on the bitumen. Not as good as the Geolander road tyres, but stil quite good. They are great on the dirt, and in the mud.

Michael
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Reply By: Truckster (Vic) - Thursday, Jun 10, 2004 at 22:12

Thursday, Jun 10, 2004 at 22:12
MTR's are excellent I would go them years before going the current stream of BFG's but thats just my opinion.

Id also go Coopers ST"s before going BFG AT's they are very compareable, the Coopers AT as you state are road tires, but arent in same catagory as BFG AT's.

There are some very good Geolanders out there at the moment, have a look at yokohama site..
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Reply By: wils - Thursday, Jul 01, 2004 at 23:23

Thursday, Jul 01, 2004 at 23:23
Hi Roscoe,
I also have a Did. Would be interested in your suspension upgrade, as when I'm loaded (modest trips !!), the back wheels want to climb up into the wheel arches !!
That just leaves me scraping the back end of my LRA tank in the dirt !!

PS I have BFG AT 265/75R16 - just bought them, did a really great job on recent E Pilbarra trip. Also the speedo accuracy is somewhat improved, given the old H/T set of 265/70R16's was badly over reading. (got this info from GPS)
My Mitz Dealer actually recommended them !!!
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Follow Up By: Rosscoe - Friday, Jul 02, 2004 at 12:17

Friday, Jul 02, 2004 at 12:17
G'day Wils,

Haven't placed the order yet but this is what I think I'll do:-
KCFR-34HD King Springs on the front and KCR-35 on the back. Bilstein Shocks all round.
$1,200.00 from Northshore 4WD Artarmon, Sydney. $250.00 for my own trusted mechanic to do the work and $100.00 for a specialist 4WD wheel alignment. The rear springs are progressive so that should help with the load and I get about 30 to 40 mm lift.
Only thing I'm concerned about is the harsher ride when I'm just running around town.
Re you tyres. The manufacturer's tyre placard is the governing factor, not the dealer's recommendation. If the tyres you have fitted are more than 15 mm larger in diameter than the tyres stated on the plackard, technically you are in breach of the ADR. You shouldn't have a problem unless you are in an accident and you get a nit-picking insurance assessor.
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