LC300 Oil Consumption

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I watched John Cadogan today. He was reporting that some new Landcruiser diesels were consuming a reported 1.7 litres of oil between services. Toyota’s answer was to reduce service intervals.
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Reply By: Stephen L (Clare) SA - Thursday, Apr 27, 2023 at 19:38

Thursday, Apr 27, 2023 at 19:38
What is their service interval?
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Follow Up By: Mikee5 - Thursday, Apr 27, 2023 at 20:02

Thursday, Apr 27, 2023 at 20:02
Every 10,000 kms or 6 months, supposedly reduced to every 3 months according to J.C.
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Follow Up By: Stephen L (Clare) SA - Thursday, Apr 27, 2023 at 20:13

Thursday, Apr 27, 2023 at 20:13
Wow, three months would have to be the shortest service interval for a modern vehicle.

Thanks for the update
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Follow Up By: Member - Bigfish - Friday, Apr 28, 2023 at 08:32

Friday, Apr 28, 2023 at 08:32
Excessive oil consumption is a joke with this motor. Twin turbos mounted in the engine valley means massive heat which means more oil consumption. Good to see the Toyota tax is still around. Had toyotas for decades but would not touch one now. They have lost their reliability and reputation for quality. Dont forget..they don't have customers...they have "guests'!! Y62 is miles ahead for reliability and value.
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Follow Up By: axle - Friday, Apr 28, 2023 at 08:42

Friday, Apr 28, 2023 at 08:42
Here we Go!!!!!!!.





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Follow Up By: Member - Bigfish - Friday, Apr 28, 2023 at 10:54

Friday, Apr 28, 2023 at 10:54
Not trying to start an argument...just pointing out how utterly ridiculous it is to blow $100k+ on anew modern vehicle only to use oil as though its fuel!!!
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Follow Up By: Member - LeighW - Friday, Apr 28, 2023 at 11:14

Friday, Apr 28, 2023 at 11:14
Most new models have teething issues which is why I would be waiting a couple of years before even considering buying one. Let others be the guinea pigs.

As for the y62, seems to be a lot on the net about Patrols of various iterations chewing through a bit of oil too.

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Follow Up By: Member Kerry W (Qld) - Friday, Apr 28, 2023 at 12:20

Friday, Apr 28, 2023 at 12:20
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The Y62s seem like the safest option at the moment and new sales of em are reflecting that. The donks are doing 300,000+ trouble free klms. Oil use from new? Maybe your thinking 20 years ago….. All vehicles have issues of some sort but generally modern diesels with dpf burns, high stresses and need for a “tune” and “chip” to gain power and economy , and advanced electronics are not the ultra reliable, no fuss engine they once were for going bush. Been off-roading and driving machinery all my life and can’t see the attraction of these new diesels for remote travel…..
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Follow Up By: Member - DOZER - Friday, Apr 28, 2023 at 12:23

Friday, Apr 28, 2023 at 12:23
y62,s arnt diesel, so we are talking apples and oranges. Regardless, my 200 uses that amount in 10000kms too, and it doesnt bother me one bit, Broooom broooom.
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Follow Up By: Member - Bigfish - Friday, Apr 28, 2023 at 13:37

Friday, Apr 28, 2023 at 13:37
Not apples and oranges. We are talking oil consumption in a modern 4wd. If a modern 4wd needs a service every 3 months I'd class it as rubbish!!
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Follow Up By: AlbyNSW - Friday, Apr 28, 2023 at 13:51

Friday, Apr 28, 2023 at 13:51
I haven’t watched the video as he does my head in but I assume we are talking about some random instances and they are the ones who are being monitered 3 monthly

We are not talking about all Landcruisers now requiring 3 monthly servicing
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Follow Up By: Member - Graeme W (NSW) - Friday, Apr 28, 2023 at 14:32

Friday, Apr 28, 2023 at 14:32
This is the YouTube video from Nunawading Toyota that he is referring to.

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Follow Up By: Member - DOZER - Friday, Apr 28, 2023 at 23:36

Friday, Apr 28, 2023 at 23:36
“Needs”, so out of the 10 litres in the sump, in 10000 kms 1.7 gets used, and a pleb from Toyota states it needs a change every 3 months….what happened to 12 months/10000kms? this story gets better every time I read it. Sort of reminds me of zd30 stories without the bang at the end…., no I won’t be buying a 300 either, I like to carry weight on the roof and my grown children won’t fit in the back, they are 200mm shorter than the 200 …so let Toyota do what they do best and make running changes on a new engine, afterall, the 1991 1hdt had a long list of recalls, and they turned it into a hdfte.
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Reply By: Member - rocco2010 - Friday, Apr 28, 2023 at 15:31

Friday, Apr 28, 2023 at 15:31
Back in the day I owned a few Holdens and Fords and even a Valiant that used a bit of oil.

When the level was down I used to get one of those neat glass bottles of oil, either a pint or quart (remember them), from the servo forecourt and top it up.

Later I used to keep a 5l container of oil at home.

I certainly never booked it in for a service just because the oil level was down.

My dad had a mate who ran a garage and he had a mate who he said never changed the oil in his EJ Holden, just kept topping it up! And it used so much he reckoned it was always pretty fresh.

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Reply By: Member - peter g28 - Friday, Apr 28, 2023 at 17:58

Friday, Apr 28, 2023 at 17:58
The calculation that Cadogan has made is the NET amount of oil that would be used based on the difference between the full amount in the engine sump to when the Low oil Warning light comes and this comes in at 1.7ltrs.
What is interesting is that Toyota has decided to "prime" their customers prior to them complaining about high oil usage by covering all the necessary driving scenarios. So the calculated 1.7ltrs used is through "Normal" driving conditions..what is jaw dropping is that Toyota has said that this 1.7ltrs used could be more quickly used up if 300 owners start using their vehicles outside these "normal" driving conditions..ie heavy towing..which means the service intervals would be much more frequent...or 300 owns carry around a few extra ltrs of oil.
Really..you have dropped over 100k on a vehicle that when heavy towing you will need to carry around extra engine oil.
I can remember my dad doing this in our old HD when we travelled to Sydney but that was because it had done a front engine main seal.
Toyota..Oh was a feeling..
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Follow Up By: Member - LeighW - Friday, Apr 28, 2023 at 19:00

Friday, Apr 28, 2023 at 19:00
It is interesting how these things flare up without any real data to support. Cadogan indicates he is referring to the Nunawading video which states "some" 300 series units "may" use some oil during service as do all cars. Sounds like a typical news headline to attract attention. The video does not state how much oil consumption is to be expected but as they have also explained what the low oil warning looks like everyone assumes some "may" use more than 1.7Ltrs between services. They also explain what the low oil pressure warning looks like so should we also assume all 300 series units are expected to have a lubrication system failure between services too?

The video also indicates oil consumption is expected to drop significantly after the run in phase but this has been glossed over as we wouldn't want to spoil a good story. Would be interesting to hear from some that actually have a 300 series as to how much oil their 300 is actually using as I haven't seen anything to date about high oil consumption.

The 5000Km service for severe operating conditions is standard for quite a few Toyota models if not all but usually is 5000Km or 6 months from memory so the 3 months is interesting and obviously if correct will not be popular with 300 series owners. Most car service agents recommend servicing a diesel every 5000Km anyway.

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Reply By: Member - Bigfish - Saturday, Apr 29, 2023 at 07:11

Saturday, Apr 29, 2023 at 07:11
On their website it says they will review the intervals as they learn more....What a clever way of doing research and development. Get the sucker customer to pay $100k for a new vehicle and depending on how many have oil issues they have, we will adjust our service intervals to suit high oil consumption.
No longer ..TOYOTA.OH WHAT A FEELING.
It's now...TOYOTA WE'VE SUCKED YOU IN.
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Reply By: qldcamper - Saturday, Apr 29, 2023 at 08:24

Saturday, Apr 29, 2023 at 08:24
Maybe if they built a vehicle without all the electronic bull crap in it and built an engine worth a bit more that works properly.
But diesel is finished, emission laws have killed it and petrol is on borrowed time too.
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Reply By: Phil G - Tuesday, May 02, 2023 at 23:15

Tuesday, May 02, 2023 at 23:15
Sorry Mike, that is Cadogan's clickbait because he makes a living from people watching his videos.
Oil consumption happens with pretty much all modern cars - certainly every vehicle I've owned in the past 10 years - petrol and diesel. Most drop about half way on the dipstick between services. The 300series is using 0W20 C5 spec engine oil to improve fuel consumption and control emissions.

The reference to 5000km servicing is under severe conditions - this has been part of Toyota's servicing for as long as I can remember. Its just a Cadogan beat up.
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Follow Up By: Member - rocco2010 - Wednesday, May 03, 2023 at 10:06

Wednesday, May 03, 2023 at 10:06
And he’s been at war with Toyota Australia for years.

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Follow Up By: Stephen L (Clare) SA - Wednesday, May 03, 2023 at 14:38

Wednesday, May 03, 2023 at 14:38
Have to disagree Phil.

Our diesel VW Golf does not use a drop of oil between its 12 month service interval.

Same as our old 120 Prado, never ever used a drop of oil either, with its longest service interval last year on the road, with 10k up before it was serviced in Darwin.

Our new D Max has only covered 5000 Km so far and not used a drop, with service intervals of what ever comes first, 12 months or 15000 kilometres.

Then if I want to go back even further, our Pajero never used a drop of oil either.
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Follow Up By: Phil G - Wednesday, May 03, 2023 at 19:49

Wednesday, May 03, 2023 at 19:49
Hi Stephen,
I was talking modern cars but I think your vehicles have had old school motors! - The 4JJ1 Isuzu motor(from which the current 4JJ3 was derived) came out in 2004 and the 1KD Prado motor was the common rail version of the 1Kz that came out in 1993. And I think your Golf might have the same 2L motor as my wife's 2009 Tiguan and it used a bit between services.
Although my old vehicles used little or no oil, everything we've purchased in the past 11 years has used a bit between services in their early years. I tend to believe what they tell us - that its just because the newer designs are low friction engines and use low viscosity oils - all to improve fuel consumption, and that oil consumption decreases with time. Thats why I think Cadogans video is a beat up about a document that Toyota would have rehashed from when the 200series was released and using oil.
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Follow Up By: Phil G - Wednesday, May 03, 2023 at 20:25

Wednesday, May 03, 2023 at 20:25
1.7L is when the warning light comes on - just a number that Toyota provides in its specs.
The engines are not consuming 1.7Litres of oil.
John Cadogan just made out that they were.
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Follow Up By: Stephen L (Clare) SA - Wednesday, May 03, 2023 at 22:52

Wednesday, May 03, 2023 at 22:52
I am aware of the Isuzu motors, but when the next generation was released in 2021, the motor was completely new from the ground up and completely different from its predecessor.
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Follow Up By: Phil G - Wednesday, May 03, 2023 at 23:15

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Hi Stephen,
I did check the Isuzu ute website:
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Follow Up By: Batt's - Monday, May 08, 2023 at 00:13

Monday, May 08, 2023 at 00:13
Toyota diesels have been chewing excessive oil for more than 10yrs remember the first of the under powered V8 turbo diesel. I'd personally believe if any modern motor was burning oil beyond the run in period or without correcting it by changing oil grade then it has an underlying issue the manufacturer is hiding. I wouldn't even contemplate trying to defend any manufacturer for extremely poor engine design etc especially for there way overpriced vehicles.
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Follow Up By: Stephen L (Clare) SA - Monday, May 08, 2023 at 09:35

Monday, May 08, 2023 at 09:35
If the oil burning issue is true, it just shows how piss poor Toyota is on their R&D.

The whole idea of a new vehicle and a new motor, we are told that they are better from their predecessor and regardless of if it’s an old school or new school motor any modern vehicle that you buy should not burn oil.

As I stated above, I have a new Isuzu X Terrain and Isuzu are well known for there engine reliability and on every Isuzu forum I have been on, there has never ever been one complaint of them using oil, and the fact that Isuzu are fully confident in making a 12 month/15,000 kilometre interval between services.

Toyota service intervals are 6 month/10,0000 so even if you do not do that mileage in the 6 months and don’t get it service every 6 months, Toyota will not stand by any warranty which thus puts more expense of the end user.

Toyota will always try to blame anything to get out of warranty, you only have to look at how they treated their problems with PRADO and HILUX burning down through the DPF and then squealing like a cut cat when it was proven that Toyota had their head in the sand on this issue, that they ended up losing after years of court battles.

Their moto is Oh What a Feeling…..well what a feeling to know you are treated like that by Toyota.
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Reply By: Member - Warren H - Wednesday, May 03, 2023 at 12:55

Wednesday, May 03, 2023 at 12:55
IMHO if it's run in, having to top up 1.7l of oil at less than 10Kkm in a modern 4wd is a pretty bad, shade of 60s engines and a bit of an issue in a 4wd that might be doing some heavy work. Some motors just seem to be like that. I've had two VW sedans with the 2.0TDI and 2.0TSI motors respectively. Both required about a litre of oil after about 12Kkm, with a 15Kkm service interval. It was a bit of a surprise to learn this. My GQ Nissan with the TB42S motor had 345Kkm on the clock when I sold the vehicle, it never used a drop, nor does the 4M41 3.2L diesel at 135Kkm in the Pajero.
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Reply By: Member - McLaren3030 - Thursday, May 04, 2023 at 07:22

Thursday, May 04, 2023 at 07:22
I am not a fan of the way John Cadogan delivers his messages, it always makes me sceptical about what he is actually saying. However, Berima Diesel have weighed in on this issue on their Facebook page recently. They agree that the L300 should not be using “large” amounts of engine oil. They are actually recommending using a 5W40 engine oil. Now what that will mean for your warranty if you follow this advice, and you have an issue with your engine down the track, is up to you to consider.

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Reply By: Peter_n_Margaret - Thursday, May 04, 2023 at 09:07

Thursday, May 04, 2023 at 09:07
The 4L Perkins in the OKA (at nearly 600,000km) does not use 1.7L of oil in 10,000km.
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Reply By: Member - Outback Gazz - Thursday, May 04, 2023 at 11:33

Thursday, May 04, 2023 at 11:33
Lucky John Cadogan doesn't come 4wdriving/camping with me otherwise he'd be complaining about my beer consumption :)
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Reply By: Banjo (WA) - Friday, May 05, 2023 at 07:39

Friday, May 05, 2023 at 07:39
I don't want to spoil the party, but has anyone stopped to ponder just how much oil if any is lost?
Whether it's 10 times more than another engine would use or not, 1.7 litres, is not much at all.
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Follow Up By: Member - John - Friday, May 05, 2023 at 18:05

Friday, May 05, 2023 at 18:05
Toyota recommend 6.6 lts for an oil change, 1.7 lts is nearly a third, "not much at all........."
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Follow Up By: Batt's - Friday, May 05, 2023 at 23:10

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Might have to get shares in an oil company just the brand Toyota use.
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Follow Up By: Member - Boobook - Saturday, May 06, 2023 at 06:40

Saturday, May 06, 2023 at 06:40
The issue is how much oil do they really use, and under what conditions. Not what John Cadogan's headline figure. He misrepresented what the Ninnawadding Toyota video says. Changing "may use up to 1.7l under harsh and running in conditions in the first 12 months" to "uses 1.7l"

It works, he gets a lot of clicks, that's what brings the dollars in for him.
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Follow Up By: Graeme - Monday, May 08, 2023 at 17:26

Monday, May 08, 2023 at 17:26
Oil consumption is a factor of how the engine is first driven from new.
If it is totally babied from new the rings do not gave a chance to bed in; the opposite is excessive ring wear with too much “wellie”.
In aviation piston engines we do some full power runs to check for leaks and function and then do a full throttle takeoff and climb whilst watching temps and pressures.
If done carefully will stabilise oil consumption for the life of the engine.
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Follow Up By: Member - McLaren3030 - Tuesday, May 09, 2023 at 07:27

Tuesday, May 09, 2023 at 07:27
Yes Graeme, a “truckie” friend of mine way back always said that you need to run in an engine “quickly” by giving it a variation of high revs and long runs at different rev ranges to bed the rings and everything else in quickly. After that, oil usage is minimised and the engine should last a lot longer.

Of course, he was talking about truck engines, but did say that it applied equally to smaller engines.

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