Nullarbor Travellers take note

Submitted: Wednesday, Jun 28, 2023 at 13:10
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Some of you may notice that some locality information is being removed from maps in the Yalata area. The reason for this is the Yalata Anangu Aboriginal Corporation are contacting map publishers like ourselves to have all Place markers that give names/location of POIs within their lands removed from maps. We were also provided with new wording to update our SA Permits Page relating to Yalata access.

Please read this section to familiarise yourself with the current situation.

In particular, be aware that they have erected blockades and signposted “no access” areas along the Eyre Highway within the Yalata region (between Nullarbor to Yalata). Be aware that these actions are occurring due to people continuing to drive around these blockades causing vegetation damage and trespassing in doing so. The Yalata People's are actively exercising their right to remove and charge offenders with trespassing.
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Reply By: Richard M29 - Wednesday, Jun 28, 2023 at 13:32

Wednesday, Jun 28, 2023 at 13:32
well pretty soon anything offroad will be shutdown. I have a property west of here, recently I banned access to the local Aboriginal Land Council, for various reasons to get to a rather large rock on my land with rock paintings. I was going to leave that parcel of land to them in my will, but recent issues like what you are stating in this post, changed my mind.
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Reply By: Member - nickb boab - Wednesday, Jun 28, 2023 at 17:46

Wednesday, Jun 28, 2023 at 17:46
Is this a case of a small minority ruining Outback travel for others ..doing the wrong thing... it seems to be the trend these days to be a dick . I'm guessing this is down by the coast ??
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Follow Up By: Member - nickb boab - Thursday, Jun 29, 2023 at 07:40

Thursday, Jun 29, 2023 at 07:40
Yalata permits page

On reflection having a look at Yalata community Facebook page I'm wondering if their way of life is being eroded by the vast amounts of tourists/ travellers on the road , like some of these other places along the coast in South Australia have placed restrictions on Beach activities over use & disrespectful campers ??
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Reply By: Member - DickyBeach - Wednesday, Jun 28, 2023 at 18:50

Wednesday, Jun 28, 2023 at 18:50
So the Yalata Anangu Aboriginal Corporation is blockading part of Highway One - amazing that they are (legally) able to do this.
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Follow Up By: Nomadic Navara - Wednesday, Jun 28, 2023 at 19:07

Wednesday, Jun 28, 2023 at 19:07
I see nothing to back that up in the OP. Please explain yourself.
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Follow Up By: Member - pete g1 - Wednesday, Jun 28, 2023 at 20:00

Wednesday, Jun 28, 2023 at 20:00
DickyBeach
me thunks you've grabbed the wrong end of the shovel ?
They've restricted off road access into "their lands" is my understanding.

anyway, safe travels all
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Follow Up By: Member - DickyBeach - Wednesday, Jun 28, 2023 at 20:25

Wednesday, Jun 28, 2023 at 20:25
David and Michelle report states:
"In particular, be aware that they have erected blockades and signposted “no access” areas along the Eyre Highway within the Yalata region (between Nullarbor to Yalata)."

Highway One circumnavigates Australia and therefore incorporates The Eyre Highway.

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Follow Up By: kgarn - Wednesday, Jun 28, 2023 at 21:05

Wednesday, Jun 28, 2023 at 21:05
"In particular, be aware that they have erected blockades and signposted “no access” areas along the Eyre Highway within the Yalata region (between Nullarbor to Yalata)."

I think that means that access roads off the of the Eyre Highway are closed not that the highway itself is blockaded.

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Follow Up By: Nomadic Navara - Wednesday, Jun 28, 2023 at 21:56

Wednesday, Jun 28, 2023 at 21:56
That's the way I read it too. The main road and its reserve form no part of the aboriginal lands.


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Follow Up By: Member - DickyBeach - Wednesday, Jun 28, 2023 at 23:42

Wednesday, Jun 28, 2023 at 23:42
I do not want to - and will not - get into a pissing contest, but the article does state:

"Be aware that these actions are occurring due to people continuing to drive around these blockades causing vegetation damage and trespassing in doing so."

Note the words "drive around" and trespassing in doing so" and that pictures in my mind drivers leaving the road for how else would they be (a) trespassing if they did not leave the bitumen and (b) causing vegetation damage in the process?

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Reply By: John Baas - Thursday, Jun 29, 2023 at 01:50

Thursday, Jun 29, 2023 at 01:50
I have faint (70's) newspaper memories of community blockades at the EH holding travelers at blockades for road 'fees' but I can't find a link. However I did find this interesting piece. https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=old+eyre+highway+yalata+community+road+protests
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Reply By: Member - Bigfish - Thursday, Jun 29, 2023 at 04:06

Thursday, Jun 29, 2023 at 04:06
Why in heavens name would you even consider pandering to a councils wishes by removing various sites or locations from a map because they dont like it. Never heard so much rubbish in my life. Just say NO......
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Reply By: Member - Boobook - Thursday, Jun 29, 2023 at 07:24

Thursday, Jun 29, 2023 at 07:24
David or Michelle.

Are you saying all roads in the Yalarta region are now closed, or just to the community? The community has been closed for as long as I can remember. And according to the Yalarta website most of the Yalata lands are still open, subject to the right permit. In fact they are promoting the place for camping and fishing.

I am confused???

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Follow Up By: Member - LeighW - Thursday, Jun 29, 2023 at 09:24

Thursday, Jun 29, 2023 at 09:24
Good question, I have never stayed there but it appears there is a caravan park there according to their website and it indicates you don't need to book. I wonder if they have closed the road from cook down to the Eyre highway?

Personally if they have provided camping areas and facilities then I don't mind paying for those and if they police them to keep the trouble makers, non payers and those that just turn up and claim a site without booking then out. Good on them.


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Follow Up By: Peter_n_Margaret - Thursday, Jun 29, 2023 at 10:17

Thursday, Jun 29, 2023 at 10:17
The Cook road (and the road via Knowles Cave) is not in Yalata country as far as I know, it traverses the Nullarbor Regional Reserve and the Nullarbor Wilderness Protection Area.
The "new" bitumen road from Colona to the sand mine south of Ooldea runs along the inside of the Yalata country, mostly along the boundary with the Yellabinna Regional Reserve.
I reckon the problem area is the Old Eyre Highway and maybe some of the tracks at the south end of the road from Watson that connect to it and north of the Highway.

From the original post "In particular, be aware that they have erected blockades and signposted “no access” areas along the Eyre Highway within the Yalata region (between Nullarbor to Yalata). "
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Follow Up By: Member - LeighW - Thursday, Jun 29, 2023 at 12:45

Thursday, Jun 29, 2023 at 12:45
Thanks, wasn't sure who owned the road house where the road comes out.

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Follow Up By: ExplorOz - David & Michelle - Thursday, Jun 29, 2023 at 13:26

Thursday, Jun 29, 2023 at 13:26
Yes but the website states" Entry to Yalata Lands is only allowed once a Permit has been issued". Conditions of Entry Here
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Follow Up By: Peter_n_Margaret - Thursday, Jun 29, 2023 at 14:32

Thursday, Jun 29, 2023 at 14:32
Just a few years ago (2018?) we asked for permission to transit Yalata land so we could get through after driving down from Watson.
It was easily resolved.
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Reply By: Member - DickyBeach - Thursday, Jun 29, 2023 at 09:22

Thursday, Jun 29, 2023 at 09:22
David & Michelle,
Are you referring to the present Eyre Highway (ie, Highway 1 which circumnavigates Australia) or the Old Eyre Highway?
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Follow Up By: Member - LeighW - Thursday, Jun 29, 2023 at 10:03

Thursday, Jun 29, 2023 at 10:03
If your asking me David & Michelle I'm referring to the road shown going from cook down to the A1.

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Follow Up By: ExplorOz - David & Michelle - Thursday, Jun 29, 2023 at 13:24

Thursday, Jun 29, 2023 at 13:24
The words I've used are an exact copy of what we were provided last week. I had presumed they were referring to signs leading off the Eyre Highway onto tracks they deem private. My intent with the post was public awareness - to highlight that there is the risk of being charged for tresspassing if you ignore the signage. I haven't seen the signage personally so not 100% sure of where these are located.
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Follow Up By: Alessandro P - Friday, Jun 30, 2023 at 17:32

Friday, Jun 30, 2023 at 17:32
As all Yalata Lands are deemed Private Property, the wording would refer to any access road on Yalata Lands (other than the A1).

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Yalata+SA+5690/@-31.5869305,131.6959437,9z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m6!3m5!1s0x2ac6eeced19b61ad:0x4033654628ef270!8m2!3d-31.4813991!4d131.8383799!16zL20vMGQ5MHYy?entry=ttu
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Reply By: Alessandro P - Friday, Jun 30, 2023 at 17:25

Friday, Jun 30, 2023 at 17:25
I guess what has inadvertently been missed out on this post, is that the Lands in questions are Private Property, owned and operated by Yalata Aboriginal Community.

Yalata IS NOT blockading the Eyre Highway (A1). The blockades in question are across illegally made tracks OFF the Eyre Highway, or other areas which enter Yalata Lands (like Old Eyre Highway), where Rangers have erected many ‘Private Property’ signs but unfortunately, these signs are frequently ignored, removed or destroyed.

No user here would appreciate hundreds of people camping in their own backyard, leaving rubbish and permanent destruction, so it is simply about stopping people accessing Private Property illegally
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Reply By: Member - 2208mate - Friday, Jun 30, 2023 at 18:10

Friday, Jun 30, 2023 at 18:10
I cut and pasted the note with out asking permission from ExplorOz and posted on another forum.
This is the reply to Eyre Highway and Beyond from a spokesman

........Yalata Corp

This post and the initial Explore OZ forum has been brought to our attention by several users and Community Members.
Firstly, the post on Explore OZ by “David (DM) & Michelle (MM)” has drastically misrepresented the polite request which was put to them by an employee of Yalata, to have some misinformation rectified on their website. The request was to remove 26 pinned locations (publicly visible) from their platform, all of which were located on Private Property and had been input by users of their service with many including photos, description and or directions to access these sites (some even acknowledging that the campsites were on private property)
It saddens us that comments on this post and the Explore Oz forum are derogatory, racist and implying that Our People are blockading the Eyre Highway (A1). The blockades in question are across illegally made tracks OFF the Eyre Highway, or other areas which enter Our Lands (like Old Eyre Highway), where Yalata Rangers have also erected ‘Private Property’ signs. Unfortunately, these signs are frequently ignored, removed or destroyed.
It is clear from reading the comments relating to this post, that some people may not realise that Yalata Lands cover over 450,000 hectares, with this area deemed ‘Private Property’ which is owned and managed by Yalata Aboriginal Community. Please respect our wishes, and as other users have noted, we do have areas of Our Land open to the public, which is monitored through a Permit system and patrolled by Our Rangers.
No user here would appreciate hundreds of people camping in their own backyard, leaving rubbish and permanent destruction, so please keep race and referendum out of these discussions, as it is simply about stopping people accessing Private Property illegally.......

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Follow Up By: Member - nickb boab - Saturday, Jul 01, 2023 at 10:39

Saturday, Jul 01, 2023 at 10:39
It's funny how things get distorted so easily when people simply don't read what it stated
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Reply By: Brad K1 - Sunday, Jul 02, 2023 at 13:20

Sunday, Jul 02, 2023 at 13:20
Fair enough too. People need to respect the wishes of landholders. The more times that people trespass or trash areas that are open to travellers the more areas that will be closed in the future.
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Reply By: John Baas - Wednesday, Jul 05, 2023 at 02:13

Wednesday, Jul 05, 2023 at 02:13
Just saying... I'm so over agrarian pastoralist land leaseholders fencing off good overnight camping spots...
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Follow Up By: Member - McLaren3030 - Wednesday, Jul 05, 2023 at 06:32

Wednesday, Jul 05, 2023 at 06:32
No offence intended John, but don’t blame the pastoralists, blame the inconsiderate arrogant campers that abuse the privilege offered by these pastoralists. They are the ones you need to vent your anger at. Leaving rubbish, cutting fences, leaving campfires not extinguished, not burying their toilet waste etc.

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Reply By: noggins - Wednesday, Jul 05, 2023 at 10:00

Wednesday, Jul 05, 2023 at 10:00
I see that post 25 brings in the "Race Statement"
I carefully re-read all the posts and there was no reference to race in any way, either as a statement or as a subject.
I for one wish this type of slandering would cease and desist and for some to recognize that private property does have entitlements and the racial accusations in post 25 do not have any relevance to them.
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Follow Up By: Nomadic Navara - Wednesday, Jul 05, 2023 at 19:17

Wednesday, Jul 05, 2023 at 19:17
What post are you calling post 25?
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Follow Up By: noggins - Thursday, Jul 06, 2023 at 09:00

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Follow Up By: Nomadic Navara - Thursday, Jul 06, 2023 at 09:25

Thursday, Jul 06, 2023 at 09:25
The correct reference to that reply is "AnswerID: 644032" - you will see that number under his reply. Your reference to "post 25" will change as members add replies to any reply or followup prior to that one.


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Follow Up By: Member - Cuppa - Friday, Jul 07, 2023 at 09:23

Friday, Jul 07, 2023 at 09:23
I see nothing wrong with the post in question where it states "It saddens us that comments on this post and the Explore Oz forum are derogatory, racist and implying that Our People are blockading the Eyre Highway (A1)".

I will say however that from past experience of the complainant on other forums that I feel his complaint here is nothing more than an attempt to deny the inherent but deniable racism seen in some of the posts here which the post he complains about refers to.

I will not enter into any direct debate with this complainant - been there done that & have no wish to delve into that cesspool again.
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Reply By: nickb - Friday, Jul 07, 2023 at 23:23

Friday, Jul 07, 2023 at 23:23
I'm still wondering how anyone could have honestly thought they were referring to closing Highway One and not private land access?
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