A.R.B Air Lockers - Your Advice
Submitted: Tuesday, Aug 24, 2004 at 09:57
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Member - Chris M (QLD)
Good morning once again,
Whilst the truck is in getting some more goodies fitted, I'd now like to find out about your experience with air lockers and any problems that may not present themselves without someone actually using them in their own vehicle.
In my previous truck I had a lockrite and whilst it was very good, sharp acceleration saw the steering wheel jerk in my grasp and sometimes shoot me into whoop whoop.
I see the benefit of air lockers by being able to switch them off and on as necessary just with the flick of a wrist. As my arb compressor will be fitted under my passenger
seat, will i regret such a move if a locker is fitted. Does it cut in much? Are the relays reliable on dusty streches etc?
Look forward again to your informative replies!
Cheers
Chris.
Reply By: NissanofOld - Tuesday, Aug 24, 2004 at 10:14
Tuesday, Aug 24, 2004 at 10:14
ARB lockers are about the best you can get. Generally very low maintenance and very reliable. Had front and rear on my previous GQ and the only problem I had was with the front one, which developed an ocassional leak (in the diff part) and would not always engage. Haven't heard of this happening all that often and ARB now recommends a particular grade of oil I believe to better lubricate the seals.
If you intend to go only one, then the decision as to whether to put it in the front or rear can raise all sorts of arguments. Since the Nissans have such good LSDs, I'd be predisposed to put the locker in the front. That way you 'almost' have two lockers for the price of one.
The latest compressor is not at all noisy, so having it under the
seat should be OK (and gives it clean air). It only runs ocassionally to keep the air
tank up to pressure.
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Follow Up By: Member - Chris M (QLD) - Tuesday, Aug 24, 2004 at 10:24
Tuesday, Aug 24, 2004 at 10:24
Hi Nissanofold,
Hi mate, would only put one on the front as you are right, the rear lsd in the patrols is pretty good and doesn't disengage too often. It's amazing what and where a locker will take you... most times into harder spots where longer recoveries are required ;-)
Will look into the grade of oil and if Nissan recommends it. My compressor's about 1 year old, didn't mind having it under my
seat anyway, just couldn't imagine having the ol' buzzer going off every 5 minutes on a trip. But if I'm only using it occasionally, it'd be all good. Cheer mate.
Chris.
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Reply By: mid life - Tuesday, Aug 24, 2004 at 10:15
Tuesday, Aug 24, 2004 at 10:15
Hi Chris
I fitted front and rear ARB Airlockers to my 79 series and you'd never know they were there until you need them. The only noise you get is the compressor when you first turn it on it has to build up pressure then it cuts out, it will only come back on if you are locking and unlocking the diff. once its locked in or locked out the compressor stops.
I think there great wouldn't hesitate to put them on another vehicle
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Follow Up By: Member - Chris M (QLD) - Tuesday, Aug 24, 2004 at 10:26
Tuesday, Aug 24, 2004 at 10:26
Mid life,
Howdy mate, thanks for the reply.
Sounds like the way to go then. Had a mate who had probs with the relays but he more often then not had mud up to his bonnet whilst competing...mud and electrics...
well mud and anything apart from tyres usually don't mix that
well.
Cheers,
Chris.
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Reply By: Truckster (Vic) - Tuesday, Aug 24, 2004 at 10:40
Tuesday, Aug 24, 2004 at 10:40
Mate works for ARB, runs his compressor for his lockers under his drivers
seat. Best place for it, cool clean air away from dirt, dust and shiat in the engine bay.
Another place people are runnign them, is inside the rear panels in the storage area.
YMMV
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Follow Up By: Member - Chris M (QLD) - Tuesday, Aug 24, 2004 at 11:27
Tuesday, Aug 24, 2004 at 11:27
T,
Thanks mate. Have always held the opinion that I'd rather keep $250 worth of gear out of the crap and put up with a bit of noise. You must be able to get a good price on the lockers then hey?? Nudge Nudge wink wink.
cheers mate.
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Tuesday, Aug 24, 2004 at 12:40
Tuesday, Aug 24, 2004 at 12:40
I wish...
We tried doing a bulk deal on Lockers on the GQ list, but couldnt get a good deal, freight was also an issue.
ARB dont like to do deals with groups, only selling to dealers or franchises..
Kaymar are also like the no deal thing...
The 240 Lightforce deal I did worked
well, as the company I dealt with had branches all over aussie and did free freight for me!
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Follow Up By: Member - Chris M (QLD) - Tuesday, Aug 24, 2004 at 13:38
Tuesday, Aug 24, 2004 at 13:38
Bugger ay!
My guy who's now the sales director of a mob here in
Brisbane is currently getting an account with ARB. I will keep you and everyone posted if he can do me a good deal on a air locker. I've been sold by this post.
Cheers mate,
Chris.
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Reply By: Member - NewMan (VIC) - Tuesday, Aug 24, 2004 at 12:15
Tuesday, Aug 24, 2004 at 12:15
Have ARB Locker fitted front and rear to my 80 Series.
Was a bit of a journey to get it right, wrong seal fitted in rear locker, but ARB worked on it until I was happy with it.
Have noticed that they don't disengage straight away especially when loaded going up a
hill and needing to do a sharp turn.
Would recomend the ARB lockers as the compressor is good and the performance is great.
Also have a friend who has them in his 100 Series with a spare air
tank fitted to the system as
well.
Tony N.
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Follow Up By: Member - Chris M (QLD) - Tuesday, Aug 24, 2004 at 12:21
Tuesday, Aug 24, 2004 at 12:21
Newman,
Gday...
Sounds like the ol' arb lockers are the bomb. Thanks for your response mate!
Cheers
Chris.
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Reply By: Member - Gary W (VIC) - Tuesday, Aug 24, 2004 at 12:57
Tuesday, Aug 24, 2004 at 12:57
I 'av 'em and I luv 'em.
Gaz
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Follow Up By: Member - Chris M (QLD) - Tuesday, Aug 24, 2004 at 13:39
Tuesday, Aug 24, 2004 at 13:39
Gary,
Short and sweet and to the point! Thanks mate, I'm sold to the idea!
Cheers
Chris.
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Reply By: cokeaddict - Tuesday, Aug 24, 2004 at 15:56
Tuesday, Aug 24, 2004 at 15:56
Hi Chris,
Air locker was the best thing i ever had fitted to my 4b. Although, and its not a real negative ..BUT... I should have kept the MAX AIR compressor rather than have the ARB one installed, AIR MAX was so much faster at everything. If I did more serious offroading i wouldnt hesitate to have another fitted in rear diff. From one works
well for what i do. Got me up some hills that i wouldnt have been able to climb without it..
Cheers Angelo
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Follow Up By: Member - Chris M (QLD) - Tuesday, Aug 24, 2004 at 15:58
Tuesday, Aug 24, 2004 at 15:58
Gday Angelo,
Cheers mate. I already have the arb compressor, the reason I don't mind waiting the extra 5 minutes is that you can rebuild it. From memory and don't quote me on this, but I don't think you can rebuild a max air??? I bought one for my brother in law as an anniversary present and he loved it! Always spruking about how good it is etc etc.
Still, it's better than pumping up the tyres with an el cheapo or by hand!!
Thanks for the locker experience mate.
Cheers
Chris.
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Reply By: hazardous - Tuesday, Aug 24, 2004 at 19:09
Tuesday, Aug 24, 2004 at 19:09
Gday Chris,
As others have said Air Lockers do transform the vehicle. Had
mine fitted by ARB and have had no problems with them in my LC100.
Personally I would NOT put the compressor under the
seat but thats a personal choice. Being air lockers you will be turning them on and off quite a bit if your in that sort of terrain and the compressor is reasonably loud/harsh.
Good Luck
Haz
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Follow Up By: Member - Chris M (QLD) - Wednesday, Aug 25, 2004 at 10:26
Wednesday, Aug 25, 2004 at 10:26
Hazardous,
Thanks for your response. Will think about the positioning.
Cheers mate,
Chris.
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Reply By: Eric from Cape York Connections - Tuesday, Aug 24, 2004 at 20:18
Tuesday, Aug 24, 2004 at 20:18
Chris not to put a dampner on the above but I talked to 3 people in the cape this year and they had trouble with there arb lockers .
2 peoples compressors fellapart.
1 person had a leak from a hose and the locker wouldnt lock in.
Peter had 2 away with him in the canning last year same problems as above.
When your a long way from
home it is a pain in the butt.
All the best
Eric
www.capeyorkconnections.com.au
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Follow Up By: Member - Chris M (QLD) - Wednesday, Aug 25, 2004 at 08:17
Wednesday, Aug 25, 2004 at 08:17
Hey Eric,
Glad someone has a bad story, I was almost thinking these things must be indestructable!!!
Was it lack of maintenance, bad install??? Did they narrow down the problem or is it a weakness in the product?
Cheers
Chris.
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Follow Up By: Eric from Cape York Connections - Thursday, Aug 26, 2004 at 07:18
Thursday, Aug 26, 2004 at 07:18
I dont know about the maintenance side but as for the compressor falling apart.
This is just my opinion for the rear put a detroit in and you dont need to think about any compressers or hoses or oil leaks or when to turn the thing on.
If your puuting it in a nissan put it in the front and as above .
If you like contact locked drive systems in
sydney 02 9637 1973 ask for david or clouse .
There is another company advertising the above sounds like op lock but for the same will cost you about 500 more fitted.
And no I dont get any thing from them .
All the best
Eric
www.capeyorkconnections.com.au
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Reply By: stitch - Wednesday, Aug 25, 2004 at 14:59
Wednesday, Aug 25, 2004 at 14:59
Chris,
I have
ARB lockers front and rear in my 80 series. They were fitted in '97 and are still working fine 7 years later.
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Follow Up By: Member - Chris M (QLD) - Wednesday, Aug 25, 2004 at 15:42
Wednesday, Aug 25, 2004 at 15:42
Gday Stitch,
Now that's the kind of
feedback I like to hear. Do you use them pretty regularly? I guess with front and rears you must like a play or two...
Cheers
Chris.
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Reply By: sean - Wednesday, Aug 25, 2004 at 18:33
Wednesday, Aug 25, 2004 at 18:33
Chris
I recently had a front locker put into the TD6 wagon. Under bonnet space is tight and the only reliable place I could find for the compressor is under the passengers
seat.
After a bit of a trip and 6 weeks later, the underside of the passengers
seat is covered with diff oil.
"Appararently" there is a problem with some of the air lockers and
ARB is fixing the problem, but I have not heard yet how mine is going to be fixed. Also, it does not really work all that well in dune county where there is typically a tight turn into the base of the dune. The locked wheels sap the motor of power and momentum is lost.
It does otherwise work well but you might also consider a detroit if you have a GU or similar with part time four wheel drive.
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Reply By: Member - Brett H (QLD) - Thursday, Aug 26, 2004 at 11:59
Thursday, Aug 26, 2004 at 11:59
Dumb quastion.
Can diff locks be engaged on the run or does the vehicle need to be stationary.?
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Follow Up By: Member - Gary W (VIC) - Thursday, Aug 26, 2004 at 13:28
Thursday, Aug 26, 2004 at 13:28
Best to put them in stationary however can be engaged on the run so long as your going straight and not hammering it.
Gaz
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Reply By: Member - Chris M (QLD) - Thursday, Aug 26, 2004 at 12:00
Thursday, Aug 26, 2004 at 12:00
From memory, as long as not going crazy on the loud pedal, on the run. Better leave it till you hear from the Roachie or the truckster of the world...
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