Starting fires with wet wood

Submitted: Thursday, Sep 09, 2004 at 11:51
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Any good ideas out there on how to start a fire with only a box of matches and wet timber.
One idea that has been suggested is to open a can of beer drink the contents then cut the can in half about 20 mm from the bottom. Drain 50ml of diesel from the filter of the 4WD into the can then place the can at the base of the fire.Light the diesel and start putting on small twigs and bark.Don't use petol as it is too volatile.
Any other ideas out there?
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Reply By: Member - Mark (VIC) - Thursday, Sep 09, 2004 at 11:58

Thursday, Sep 09, 2004 at 11:58
I cheat a little these days. I make my fire with all the small sticks, cardboard, paper and the like. Then put about 1/2 cup of petrol over it. Stand back a little and throw a match or poke with a burning tissue on a long stick.

There is also Hexi tabs you could use. (Solid fuel tablets used in the old small camping stoves) They will burn for about 10-15 minutes. Sold as a box of 4 tablets (by memory) and about the size of a panadol tablet box.

Heximine Tablets is the name (Spelling?)
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Follow Up By: Member - Captain (WA) - Thursday, Sep 09, 2004 at 12:10

Thursday, Sep 09, 2004 at 12:10
Hi Mark,

Not wanting to sound over-cautious, but please be VERY careful using petrol to light a fire. Its not so much the fire lighting thats the problem, its that an open conatiner of petrol that can ignite quite some distance from a fire due to its vapour trail.

There are several instances where petrol has been used to light a fire and the open jerry can or cap off the vehicle thats parked too close and it all simply goes up (want at least ~20m to be sure).

Diesel is better if have to use a fuel, as it has a much lower volatility. But the best thing is perhaps firelighters as sold everywhere (even coles and woolies). Simply place a few under damp (not soaked) wood and they will generate enough heat to dry the wood and get a good fire going. Its designed for the job and can be safely carried in your vehicle.

Cheers

Captain
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Follow Up By: Member - Mark (VIC) - Thursday, Sep 09, 2004 at 12:29

Thursday, Sep 09, 2004 at 12:29
Yes petrol is volatile and can be quite dangerous. But I assure you I am EXTREMELY careful with it.

Having read some of the replies I will be changing my habbits thou. I carry 170L of diesel and 5-10 L of petrol (Coleman stove and lights). I can afford to waste some diesel more than I can petrol.
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Follow Up By: GO_OFFROAD - Thursday, Sep 09, 2004 at 13:45

Thursday, Sep 09, 2004 at 13:45
this is what we do with petrol and a screw top bottle once the fire is going 8-))))))

http://www.lcool.org/trips/03-04-high-country/pictures/bottle_banger.mpg

Though a beer can with the top cut off at the top filled with petrol and stood in the fire place, with the wet wood stacked over it will burn for around 30 minutes, 40 minutes if its 2 stroke, and can be lit with a match dropped on the top of the petrol in the beer can which then just burns like a candle, if there is no vapor.
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Follow Up By: Member - Brett H (QLD) - Saturday, Sep 11, 2004 at 14:13

Saturday, Sep 11, 2004 at 14:13
We have called petrol "woof wood"

Next time you light a fire with petrol listen for the sound.
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Reply By: Baz (NSW) - Thursday, Sep 09, 2004 at 12:12

Thursday, Sep 09, 2004 at 12:12
I carry a packet of fire starters with me all the time and heat beads for the camp oven they work well and last a long while too.

Baz.
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Reply By: Chumpion - Thursday, Sep 09, 2004 at 12:14

Thursday, Sep 09, 2004 at 12:14
Those little jiffy firelighters, or hex stove tablets work a treat as well. just pop one or two, broken in half, under a pile of wet twigs. Try to avoid too smaller kindling, as it burns too quickly. The idea is to use, say, 1/4 to 1/2 inch thick twigs, and get them burning, and have the inch thick ones about 5 inches above drying out.

I spose you could stash some around your exhaust to dry for a while....
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Reply By: Davoe - Thursday, Sep 09, 2004 at 12:23

Thursday, Sep 09, 2004 at 12:23
I dont think you can light diesal with a match you need to mix it with about 25% petrol
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Follow Up By: Vince NSW - Thursday, Sep 09, 2004 at 12:28

Thursday, Sep 09, 2004 at 12:28
A match will do the trick.
The 25% petrol is used in Drip Tourch fuel to get it to burn faster, but Diesal will light with a match
Vince
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Reply By: Truckster (Vic) - Thursday, Sep 09, 2004 at 12:29

Thursday, Sep 09, 2004 at 12:29
Firestarters, wetwood, plus old sump oil mixed with petrol..
Works awesome.

As said, diesel wont ignite on its own. Your beer tin idea would work with petrol to a point. You need heat to dry the wood out.

people get too carried away putting 4ton logs on straight away with 3 twigs round the side, you need to build up slowly when wet.

YFMV
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Follow Up By: Penguin (NSW) - Thursday, Sep 09, 2004 at 14:01

Thursday, Sep 09, 2004 at 14:01
Love your disclaimer!
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Thursday, Sep 09, 2004 at 16:02

Thursday, Sep 09, 2004 at 16:02
:)
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Follow Up By: schevchenko - Thursday, Sep 09, 2004 at 19:40

Thursday, Sep 09, 2004 at 19:40
SUMP OIL??!!! burning highly toxic substances in a campfire is not good. Surf the net and find a bit more about the toxicity of sump oil and some of its possible long term effects.
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Thursday, Sep 09, 2004 at 23:21

Thursday, Sep 09, 2004 at 23:21
Your not standing there snorting the stuff, and your not using 200ltrs of the stuff.

If you believe everything that is studied these days you wont drink milk, cause one day it kills you the next study it helps you live to 200yr old, you wont drink wine, same reasons, you dont eat meat, same reason, you wont take panadol, same reasons... You wont work cause it causes stress but going to work also relieves stress.

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Follow Up By: schevchenko - Saturday, Sep 11, 2004 at 13:03

Saturday, Sep 11, 2004 at 13:03
Looks like the toxins are already at work
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Saturday, Sep 11, 2004 at 13:31

Saturday, Sep 11, 2004 at 13:31
Sorry if facts are beyond you..

have a nice day wont you.
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Reply By: jackablue - Thursday, Sep 09, 2004 at 12:37

Thursday, Sep 09, 2004 at 12:37
I usually find that splitting wet twigs & timber works better than trying to dry them from the outside. Usually dryer inside.

Cheers

Jackablue
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Reply By: equinox - Thursday, Sep 09, 2004 at 12:42

Thursday, Sep 09, 2004 at 12:42
Theres always a good supply of fairly dry kindling near the base of the trunks of small bushes. Smaller dead bushes although wet on the outside are usually dry on the inside. Grab half a bucket of this and 20 minutes of patience and you'll have no dramas.
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Reply By: Kiwi Ray - Thursday, Sep 09, 2004 at 13:02

Thursday, Sep 09, 2004 at 13:02
I carry a plastic bag of wood wool the type that is used for packaging.
Light and cheep
Ray
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Reply By: Yagan - Thursday, Sep 09, 2004 at 13:21

Thursday, Sep 09, 2004 at 13:21
Here is a primitive idea that has worked.
As a scout leader, we once had to camp after hours of pouring rain. From the lee side of a tree, get a pile of dead strands of grass, place grass under your clothes aginst your stomach and do other things for half an hour. The dead grass will dry sufficiently to start burning.
Your stomach is cold only for a while. Perhaps use a wife or kids for this. You will need good powers of persuation.
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Reply By: Member - Luxoluk - Thursday, Sep 09, 2004 at 13:23

Thursday, Sep 09, 2004 at 13:23
When all the odds are against us we use an old rag or towel wrapped up tightly and soak it with diesel. Will burn for ages and gets the fire going everytime. Just a note of caution however...watch out that your choice of material is not one of the partner's favourites.....could get real ugly!!
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Reply By: bruce - Thursday, Sep 09, 2004 at 13:24

Thursday, Sep 09, 2004 at 13:24
Save your old tea bags , let them dry out , pack them in a jar and pour in some kero...great cheap good fire lighters...easy..cheers
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Reply By: gary - Thursday, Sep 09, 2004 at 13:54

Thursday, Sep 09, 2004 at 13:54
once you have a small fire going put larger stuff on top wet or dry
then get your 12v bed inflater .plug it in then feed the fire with air,like a blacksmith would do ,gets very hot quickly.
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Reply By: Rob! - Thursday, Sep 09, 2004 at 14:01

Thursday, Sep 09, 2004 at 14:01
Find the direr side of a strigny bark tree and pull off a few handfulls. Pull all the stringy bits apart and scrunch it all up ( in cirular motion bitween your hands) until you get something not unlike a birds nest. Next collect as many dry skinny twigs. Then with great care, arrange the whole setup with the stringy bark in the middle with some of the twigs around the outside and top. Light it. and slowly add more and bigger twigs. It's a very long process so I'd use it only when there are no other avenues ie. firelighter / diesel etc

R.
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Reply By: Well 55 - Thursday, Sep 09, 2004 at 14:17

Thursday, Sep 09, 2004 at 14:17
Just to add more fuel to the fire,I carry dried tea bays soaked in kerro, work as good as firelighters and you never seem to run out.
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Reply By: crfan - Thursday, Sep 09, 2004 at 14:58

Thursday, Sep 09, 2004 at 14:58
another good one is cheesels but may stop you eating them when you realise how much fat must be in them to burn like a fire lighter.
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Follow Up By: techrep - Thursday, Sep 09, 2004 at 15:32

Thursday, Sep 09, 2004 at 15:32
Carry some old inner tube rubber about the sze of a slice of bread and light the edge of it. (try it at home first) Even from soaking wet it will burn with enough heat to light wet kindling or even slow cook if you have enough rubber. smells bad though. its a good safety backup to keep in the truck with some waterproof matches rolled inside and its free $$.
We have used petrol in tins before but only when tin is filled with sand after adding 1/8 cup petrol. The sand acts like a wick. They called them Bengazi stoves in the war so my dad said when he showed me.
Be carefull if you try thisput away the petrol and move to safe place because volatile fumes from petrol can cover a large distance until sand is added. OUTSIDE USE only
I've never seen anyone try and light petrol on its own without a big bang. Very Risky!
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Follow Up By: GO_OFFROAD - Thursday, Sep 09, 2004 at 16:17

Thursday, Sep 09, 2004 at 16:17
petrol liquid just burns like most motor spirits, its the vapour that makes the bang.... petrol in a beer can just burns on the surface, if you dont knock it over.

I nearly got caught out once,when a slow fire was smoking and having trouble getting going, so I got a plastic shopping bag, put aprox 2 lt petrol in, and walked the 30 odd feet from the fuel to the fire, threw it on, and when it started to burn intensly, it followed the trail the hole in the shopping bag I didnt see left, back to where the fuel can was, luckily, from where I filled the bag I put the can down an arms length away, so the fire stopped about 2ft short of the jerry can ;-)
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Follow Up By: Troopy Travellers (NSW) - Friday, Sep 10, 2004 at 10:11

Friday, Sep 10, 2004 at 10:11
I like the wicked cheese Cheesels!!! But maybe I'll stop eating them now!!
Sparky
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Reply By: Member - Jeff M (WA) - Thursday, Sep 09, 2004 at 17:26

Thursday, Sep 09, 2004 at 17:26
Yeah I use firelighters, however a friend of mine uses petrol and boy it works well!
Stack the fire up nicley with kiddling etc. Pour some fuel into a paper cup, put the cup in the middle down the bottom and - Wamo instant hot fire.
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Reply By: Nudenut - Thursday, Sep 09, 2004 at 17:44

Thursday, Sep 09, 2004 at 17:44
a few weeks back i was told that you open a good bottle of red and begin to drink the contents.
take the cork and light it...works like the firelighters..so i'm told..
now, i dont know if this is true as i hav'nt tried it....but i am saving the corks and will test it out one day.....

only hope that doesnt turn out not to work or i'll have to give up the wine tasting...and that would be a bummer ...so until i get around to testing which will be a long time into the future..............................hic! pardon me!...
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Follow Up By: Member - Sand Man (SA) - Monday, Sep 13, 2004 at 08:13

Monday, Sep 13, 2004 at 08:13
Nudey,

I have found that usually by the time I have finished the bottle of red, I don't bother with the fire anyway.

In severe weather conditions:- I just open another bottle :>)
Bill


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Follow Up By: Nudenut - Monday, Sep 13, 2004 at 09:42

Monday, Sep 13, 2004 at 09:42
and I thought they call me a sponge!

maybe they could call me The Claw....(hand is permanently shaped to accept stubbie or can of coopers)
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Reply By: Jimmy - Thursday, Sep 09, 2004 at 18:18

Thursday, Sep 09, 2004 at 18:18
I carry a .34kg LPG gas bottle with a burner tip on it Lights anything quick smart!
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Reply By: awill4x4 - Thursday, Sep 09, 2004 at 19:33

Thursday, Sep 09, 2004 at 19:33
The best thing that I have seen recently was an attachment which connects to your bbq gas bottle. It was a length of 25X25X3 square tube about 800=900mm long with a series of holes drilled at one end. At the other end, a gas line was connected and you simply turn on the gas and light the end which has the series of holes. When burning it acts just like a bbq burner and you just shove it directly into the fireplace. It doesn't matter if the wood is soaking wet as it will dry out any wood no matter how wet it is. It will also light largish logs of wood without kindling.
I was shown this by a member of the Yota 4x4 club here in VIC and which he had built himself, luckily he gave me his business card and as we're both in the same welding game I'll give him a call so I can have a closer look and then build my own.
I think I'll make mine out of stainless steel though, because I can :-)
I'm currently building a stainless steel rear light holder for the back of my Patrol and a stainless steel framed false floor so I can get my tent out easily without having to remove everything 1st.
Regards Andrew.
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Reply By: hoyks - Thursday, Sep 09, 2004 at 20:57

Thursday, Sep 09, 2004 at 20:57
Get your half can and fill it with diesel then shove a wad of toilet paper in it. The toilet paper soaks up the fuel and you light it like a candle. Old paper drink or coffee cups used the same way are also great as you don't have to dig them out of the fire later.
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Reply By: Member - Allan - Thursday, Sep 09, 2004 at 21:55

Thursday, Sep 09, 2004 at 21:55
I carry the small portable propane blow torch in the tool box for emergency soldering jobs. Never used it for soldering yet but used it heaps of times to light the fire when there is no kindling or wood is wet. Stuff the diesel - makes everything stink.
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Reply By: Bilbo - Thursday, Sep 09, 2004 at 22:09

Thursday, Sep 09, 2004 at 22:09
DON'T WHATEVER YOU DO USE PETROL IN ANY WAY!!

It's just too volatile and unpredictable. I used to work in refinery operations and I've seen too many guys pull this "oh just put some petrol on it" trick. Sometimes, it just vapourises enough to draw you back to the fire to see why it's not burning. Then ,,,,,,,,,whooompah! It gets ya.

I had a mate that did this when out prosepcting with his wife 'n kids. He went back to the fire - broke all the rules - with the can still in his hand! Whooompah,,,,,,,,,up it went and up went the can with it!! 5 litres of it! Spent 3 months in hospital and now has to wear a big hat 'cos he aint got 'n neve will have any hair! This happened 150kms from Kalgoorlie and he was in a lot of pain for 3 hrs in the back of 4WD.

Use diesel or kero or some of the other ideas above.

AND remember, there is more chemical energy in a litre of petrol than there is in a stick of powergel dynamite. It just needs to be contained right to make the big bang.

Bilbo
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Follow Up By: GO_OFFROAD - Friday, Sep 10, 2004 at 09:13

Friday, Sep 10, 2004 at 09:13
Everything, even your 4wd is a dangerous weapon in the wrong hands, treated the wrong way.
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Reply By: duncs - Friday, Sep 10, 2004 at 00:20

Friday, Sep 10, 2004 at 00:20
You know when you leave your paint brushes in the turps too long and it evaporates away. It leaves a coloured jelly like mess in the bottom of the old jam jar.

I once saw my farther in law scrape some out and use it to get the bar-b going. It worked way better than I thought it would. Come to think of it, it worked way better than he thought it would. No eyelashes for about a week.

Duncs
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Reply By: V8troopie - Friday, Sep 10, 2004 at 00:40

Friday, Sep 10, 2004 at 00:40
I am flabberghasted by the many different ways (some sound a bit risky) to start a fire that you have come up with.
If the idea for the fire is getting warm, why not try the oldest method of all which is rubbing two sticks together. Who needs matches anyway?
You may not succeed in lighting a fire but you'd get warm in trying to, nevertheless :-)

Klaus
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Reply By: Savvas - Friday, Sep 10, 2004 at 23:12

Friday, Sep 10, 2004 at 23:12
I have seen the diesel in a coke can method used. It works very well and is very easy to get going.
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Reply By: Bitsumishin - Mike (WA) - Saturday, Sep 11, 2004 at 09:24

Saturday, Sep 11, 2004 at 09:24
Spend about 20 minutes collecting a large pile of wet sticks and logs and stack them into a pile. By now you are warm.... Now go to the car and pull out the matches and the gas stove. Now you can cook your food and you are warm. After meal, take wife to bed early & if you haven't tried anything stupid like lighting a fire with petrol, you've got a better than 50/50 chance you'll keep each other warm.
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Reply By: fozzy - Monday, Sep 13, 2004 at 08:07

Monday, Sep 13, 2004 at 08:07
need some paper to light under twigs etc then slowly drip diesel onto that and it will ignite into bigger fire
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