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Do I need an inverter??

I'm trying to keep the electrical stuff to a minimum for the planned trip.
I've got a fridge and fluro light running from the dual battery and just need to work out how to power the laptop and a digi camera recharger.
I've seen a 300W invertor from Dick Smith but was wondering if I should just get a kerio cigi adaptor for the laptop and recharge the camera about once a week when we have a night off from camping in a hotel.
The Kerio and invertor are both about $150. Does anyone have any experience on which is better?
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Reply By: Peter - Wednesday, Sep 15, 2004 at 07:22

Wednesday, Sep 15, 2004 at 07:22
For my money I would use kerio cigi adaptor for the laptop and use 12 battery charger for camera. If you have aa batteries then it is easy Big W have duracell nmhi battery chargere with 4 2050 mah batteries for $60. These can be used on 12 v jaycar have the same.

For me the losses in power going up to 240 then back to low voltage are a waste of power
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Reply By: Member - Sand Man (SA) - Wednesday, Sep 15, 2004 at 07:45

Wednesday, Sep 15, 2004 at 07:45
rihearn,

I agree with Peter on the kerio Adaptor. They are the best option for powering a laptop. Very compact in size.

I also have a recharger unit to charge the AA batteries I use in the digital still camera, but also use a 300W inverter when I need to charge the Video Camera, which has a different type of battery.

I still prefer the kerio for the laptop though because a laptop is expensive to replace.
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Reply By: Member - Wim (Qld) - Wednesday, Sep 15, 2004 at 08:44

Wednesday, Sep 15, 2004 at 08:44
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Just check and make sure your laptop is compatable with Kerio unit. My laptop requires 19.5vdc so is not compatable.

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Follow Up By: Member - Sand Man (SA) - Wednesday, Sep 15, 2004 at 08:59

Wednesday, Sep 15, 2004 at 08:59
Wim,

The packaging of the Kerio adaptor lists all brands/models suitable for the specific adaptor inside and from memory there is more than one in their range.
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Reply By: drivesafe - Wednesday, Sep 15, 2004 at 09:06

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Hi rihearn, I do a fair bit of video work on the run and I used to carry a 700w inverter. I now use a 130w inverter, I have never had a reason to use the 700w but every trip I go on, I use the 130Wer all the time. Both while travelling and on site where I might be all day.
I keep all the spare Handheld Scanner, Video and Camera batteries charged and run a computer while I’m stopped and have never had a problem.
It would work out much cheaper in the long run doing it this way than getting a different 12 volt adapter every time you buy a new piece of equipment.
To buy all the adapters I would have needed to keep my gear running, would have cost well over a $1000.
By using an inverter you simply use the 240v charges that comes with the equipment and don’t have to shop around trying to find a 12 volt adapter as some gear does not always have adapters readily available, this was the reason I first went to an inverter and at the time I thought I would get a medium size one to make sure it would do what I needed it to do.
For space saving reasons I later got the 130Wer and have been using it ever since, thats about 5 years now.
Jaycar have a 100Wer, not sure of the retail price and I use the Altronics 100Wer, it retails for $99 and both come with the cigarette plug on them.
Hope this is of some assistance to you.
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Follow Up By: drivesafe - Wednesday, Sep 15, 2004 at 09:11

Wednesday, Sep 15, 2004 at 09:11
Forgot to mention, the closer the size of the inverter is to the power requiered, the more efficient the power usage is.
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Reply By: Member - Sand Man (SA) - Wednesday, Sep 15, 2004 at 09:43

Wednesday, Sep 15, 2004 at 09:43
A different perspective!!!

I do not disagree with drivesafe, but will merely add this for consideration.

Some laptops need more than 150w to run.
Some laptops require a pure sign wave inverter to run.
Some vehicles do not have the room to accommodate a laptop, an inverter and the power adapter, all connected together.

It merely gets down to what your specific requirements are and how much you are prepared to pay.

Ignoring battery recharging, which Rihearn does not appear to prioritize, the kerio adapter provides a compact, one unit power module which will run (and recharge) MOST laptops effectively.
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Follow Up By: drivesafe - Wednesday, Sep 15, 2004 at 10:10

Wednesday, Sep 15, 2004 at 10:10
Hi sand man, I think you might have your figures wrong. I have never heard of a Laptop that used 15w and when you conceder the size of the battery inside a lap top, if you were lucky, it would last about 20 minutes at 150w. Are you sure it’s not marked as .150w.
My wide screen Panasonic only uses 100w with two 10w speakers and as I said, I have been doing this for 5 years with out a problem and over that time I have used a number of laptops, all without a problem and at times, while at the same time I was charging batteries up.
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Follow Up By: drivesafe - Wednesday, Sep 15, 2004 at 10:13

Wednesday, Sep 15, 2004 at 10:13
By the way, I ment 1.5w not .150w, sorry for the error
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Follow Up By: Member - Sand Man (SA) - Wednesday, Sep 15, 2004 at 11:14

Wednesday, Sep 15, 2004 at 11:14
1.5W - .150W ????

I used 150W (one hundred and fifty watt) in reply to another forumite's reply as an example.

Most laptop's would in fact need at least a 300 Watt Inverter. This can be checked on the lable of the laptop power pack and an inverter (or other adaptor) with a higher output used.
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Follow Up By: Member - Sand Man (SA) - Wednesday, Sep 15, 2004 at 13:21

Wednesday, Sep 15, 2004 at 13:21
Ooops ! Correction

Most laptops do NOT need 300 watts.

However, If someone was to invest in an Inverter then it would be silly to consider anything less than a 300 watt unit do to the other uses (such as camera battery charging) that it would also be used for and it is these charging devices that require a higher power demand.
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Follow Up By: drivesafe - Wednesday, Sep 15, 2004 at 15:56

Wednesday, Sep 15, 2004 at 15:56
Hi sand man the power pack is rated at it’s maximum possible output and not what it uses every time you turn it on. If you put a device on it that only required 1w the the power pack would use what ever was lost through the conversion to the lower voltage and the 1w. Most power supplies will have a loss of about 20% max depending on the quality of the power supply and as I said laptops may use more power than 15 watts, but if your lap top is using 150w then at around 12 volts you would be using over 10 amps, where is the laptop going to dissipate this sort of power and heat and as I stated earlier, how long could the laptops battery operate for at that sort of current rate.
If you have been in the computing industry for that long , and I’m not disputing it, but you would know the size of the typical battery that goes inside a lap top. There is no way they could power any device for more that a few minutes at that rate. If you got 20 minutes you would be very lucky and you would have one very very hot battery.
But I will give you the benefit of the argument.
The point I raised was that if irhearn was going to be using a number of devices then an inverter would be the cheapest way to go and as to what type of an inverter to get, well thats an individuals choice but as I put it, I had no trouble running a computer and a video camera battery charger at the same time off one 130w inverter.
May be, my computers are very lean when it comes to power consumption.
But as stated, it is no more than a suggestion
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Reply By: sideliner1 - Wednesday, Sep 15, 2004 at 11:02

Wednesday, Sep 15, 2004 at 11:02
hi all I was thinking maybe you want to run a fridge or something of it depending what set up you have .. you can get a 2500watt inverter for approx $200-$300 and the peak power on it is 5000 Watt so all depends on if you want to run a few things off it or wether you want to run one thing... there are alot of options out there...

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Follow Up By: Bonz (Vic) - Friday, Sep 17, 2004 at 18:27

Friday, Sep 17, 2004 at 18:27
dont forget you have to be able to put the power on the IN side of the inverter. 2500w is a LOT OF POWER, 200amps at 12 volts, almost as mich as the starter motor uses and you'd need HUGE cables, lots of batteries in parallel and ...and...and... the logistics are awesome. and 5000w is even more.
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Reply By: drivesafe - Wednesday, Sep 15, 2004 at 11:40

Wednesday, Sep 15, 2004 at 11:40
Hi sand man, we may have some crossed wires here but if you check the specs for the laptop itself you will get a power requirement and if you check the power supply, the plug pack you will get another reading but the the laptop is the power that is needed.
Both my laptops use around 10 to 12 watts and I’m sure others use much more but my power supply can supply a maximum of 45w but the same power supply is used for a whole load of products including powering Ipods which us a fraction of the power that a laptop uses but it still has the same power pack of 45 watts.
This 45 watts is the maximum that the power supply can handle not what it is running at when powering the laptop.
To get the correct power requirements, you will need to workout what the total actual power usage for the device to get an idea of the power needed to operate a given device.
And one more point, I imagine there are laptops out there that use a lot more than 15w but if you check there actual power consumption not that of the maximum out of the power supply, you will see a more realistic power requirement.
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Follow Up By: Member - Sand Man (SA) - Wednesday, Sep 15, 2004 at 12:09

Wednesday, Sep 15, 2004 at 12:09
drivesafe,

I think you may have the wrong perspective.

The power pack I am referring to is the one that comes with the laptop and it is this unit that determines the power (wattage) required.

P.S. I have been a Computer Professional for 27 years.
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Reply By: DaveNJude - Wednesday, Sep 15, 2004 at 12:58

Wednesday, Sep 15, 2004 at 12:58
If you choose the inverter route then the 150 watt job should suffice.
However definitely go for a sine wave inverter as the el cheapo modified square wave jobs can and do cause overheating in switchmode power supplies that are used in laptops and tv's etc.

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Reply By: equinox - Wednesday, Sep 15, 2004 at 13:14

Wednesday, Sep 15, 2004 at 13:14
rihearn,

A word of warning - I bought a 150w inverter from Dicks Smith last year and it did not work. Of course being the trusting fellow I am didn't test it until I was in the middle of nowhere. Being a sparkie I pulled it apart to fault find and found the active connection not even connected to the socket, not that that mattered, as the electronics didn't work anyway.

STAY AWAY FROM DICK SMITH INVERTERS

When I got home I got my money back - as I refused to leave the store until I got it.

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Reply By: Cruisergxl - Wednesday, Sep 15, 2004 at 13:29

Wednesday, Sep 15, 2004 at 13:29
I went through the same dilema a few months ago. There are many other posts in the forum discussing this same problem so ahve a good search.

After all the research for me it was a toss up between an "auto" power supply and a sine wave inverter, I value my laptop too much to run it on a switch mode inverter! I went for the manufactureres auto adapter as my business notebook is rated at peak 90W (apparently if watching DVDs it can peak up to this). The difference between the generic brand and the HP brand was $20, worth spending should there ever be a warranty claim then they can't complain about anything that they sell breaking the machine! Also the generic brand was only rated to 60W peak.
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Follow Up By: rihearn - Wednesday, Sep 15, 2004 at 19:38

Wednesday, Sep 15, 2004 at 19:38
Thanks for all the replys. Sounds like Dick Smith cheapos should be avoided. I was leaning towards the kerio type adaptor as laptops are expensive to replace and the above posts have reinforced me of this opinion.
Thanks again
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Follow Up By: Bonz (Vic) - Friday, Sep 17, 2004 at 18:32

Friday, Sep 17, 2004 at 18:32
I have a DICK SMITH 300w sine wave inverter and its a beaut. Works well, runs quiet, two outlets, etc.

El cheapo units are just that. Stay away from them and spend that little bit more.
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