Camping in Central Nsw

Submitted: Sunday, Oct 17, 2004 at 04:24
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We have a small property at Turondale Nsw which has frontage to the Turon River which has excellent swimming ,gold fossicking and fishing for big European Carp and was toying with the idea of opening it up to 4wders for camping etc . It has scope for many day trips to such places as Hill End , Sofala , Ophir , Bridle Track , Mudgee , Bathurst , Turon River National Park , Wolgan Valley etc . I would like some opinions from people as wether this would be viable or not and what would be the pitfalls etc with doing something like this . At this stage the only amentities we were thinking of developing were composting toilets and bush showers and level sites for tents and or camping trailers with fire place or BBQ .
Any ideas would be greatly appreciated .
I was thinking of a minimal charge of $10 -$20 per vehicle per night .
What do you think ?
Cheers
Ken
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Reply By: Bob H - Sunday, Oct 17, 2004 at 04:53

Sunday, Oct 17, 2004 at 04:53
Hi Ken

GREAT idea. keep the price as low as possible and you will get lots of users. me and the family for one. sounds like a great place you lucky bu...r
check out the insurance side of things as i think this will be the biggest blockage next to council approval. the cost of the insurances could be prohibitive. otherwise a great idea.
make sure that you post full directions if you go ahead

Regards

Bob
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Follow Up By: Bob H - Sunday, Oct 17, 2004 at 04:55

Sunday, Oct 17, 2004 at 04:55
forgot to say that familys need more low cost holiday places as we cant always afford the rates at more commercial sites

Bob
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Reply By: Member - Jack - Sunday, Oct 17, 2004 at 05:54

Sunday, Oct 17, 2004 at 05:54
Hi Kenny:

This is a good idea, but as was mentioned previously, insurance and councils tend to put paid to most good ideas. Best you check that part of it out early on.

But with toilets, showers AND level sites, it's all you could ask for.

You may find checking out other similar ventures worthwhile. If you are targeting 4WD specifically, take at look at "Skytrek" in the Flinders Ranges. They also have a fabulous 4wd tour which is very popular. Something you may like to consider further down the track.

If you decide to go ahead, make sure you keep (1) this forum and (2) 4WD Clubs informed. It's a terrific area with lots of attractions. I have only recently "discovered" this part of NSW, and love it. Can't wait to get back there when it gets a bit warmer. Good luck.

Jack
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Follow Up By: Member - Rohan K - Monday, Oct 18, 2004 at 15:01

Monday, Oct 18, 2004 at 15:01
Kenny, have you checked out your neighbours? Turon Gates do exactly what you are proposing (they also have cabins). I'm guessing their insurance cost is built into the pricing structure.

We paid about $25 a night to camp (2 adults and 2 kids). They provide hot showers and flushing toilets in a very basic amenities block.
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Follow Up By: kenny - Tuesday, Oct 19, 2004 at 05:52

Tuesday, Oct 19, 2004 at 05:52
Jack
You sure were right
I was forgetting who actually runs this country , bl%$dy insurance companies and lawyers . Spoke to several insurance companies yesterday and run into stone walls , they will not touch something like that . Others have got it so perserverance may be the way as there are still caravan parks , b&b accomodation etc etc all over the country so it willl be just a matter of speaking to the right people .
Cheers
Ken
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Reply By: Willem - Sunday, Oct 17, 2004 at 08:05

Sunday, Oct 17, 2004 at 08:05
Good idea.

$10 per vehicle is cheap by todays prices.

Access only by key entry through locked gate or via homestead

Insurance may be a problem but some operators don't worry about that. You can get visitors to sign a disclaimer but how legal that is, is another matter

Do you have enough wood for fires?

Go to www.warraweena.com ( a Flinders Ranges conservation park) for more ideas. There are about 20 properties in the Flinders Ranges which cater for campers and 4x4 tracks.
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Follow Up By: kenny - Monday, Oct 18, 2004 at 09:23

Monday, Oct 18, 2004 at 09:23
Willem
The wood is not avaiable onsite but can be obtained in the vicinity .
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Reply By: Member - 'Lucy' - Sunday, Oct 17, 2004 at 11:54

Sunday, Oct 17, 2004 at 11:54
Personnal Liability Insurance is going to be your biggest hurdle.

Check that out first and you may have second, third & even fouth thoughts about it all.

Very nice idea though.

Regards

Ken Robinson
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Follow Up By: kenny - Monday, Oct 18, 2004 at 09:27

Monday, Oct 18, 2004 at 09:27
Ken
I was hoping to run it more like a caravan park so I hope the insurance won't bw cost prohibitive . As stated it would only be a base for the hundreds of day trips available around the area . Madmans at Hill End had 4wds using the property for 4wding hence the bigger insurance premiums , I would basically supplying ammenties for camping etc
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Reply By: Peter 2 - Sunday, Oct 17, 2004 at 12:28

Sunday, Oct 17, 2004 at 12:28
There are a few places like that around the central nsw area, they will only let incorporated clubs with pub liability insurance stay due to the insurance prob.
I suspect though that the liability side is attempting to be bypassed by doing this as they probabaly don't have insurance themselves.
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Reply By: joc45 - Sunday, Oct 17, 2004 at 20:37

Sunday, Oct 17, 2004 at 20:37
Hi, Ken,
Quite a few stations in the Kimberley provide farmstay-cum-camping facilities, usually providing cleared spots and showers/toilets for a fee. Guess they have the insurance problem solved. We found them great, tho one spot had mowed down the seasonal growth to almost ground level, but it left 5mm-thick stalks poking up everywhere, enough to poke thru tent floors and one's thongs. Spent an hour snipping each stalk down to ground level with a pair of sparky's cutters to save the tent. Loved the place tho.
Composting toilets are fine, as are cold showers - if people must have hot showers, they usually bring their Glind or a solar shower. Some arrangement with rubbish disposal is helpful, otherwise all campers must be made aware of their responsibilities re rubbish. Amazing how ignorant some campers are in this regard.
A bit of shade is good (tho I need sun for my solar panels), a tap for water, and if the water is borderline, then perhaps a rain water tank off your shower block's roof would provide drinking water, with showers from the other source.
Keep the prices reasonable, offer a few mud-maps, etc of the places to see. Also promo stuff from your nearby town - they appreciate this sort of thing.
Contrast this with one place in the north of WA, which seems to have a charge for just about every single thing you do there, creating the feeling that their hand is in your pocket perpetually.
Gerry
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Reply By: AT4WD ADVENTURES - Sunday, Oct 17, 2004 at 21:17

Sunday, Oct 17, 2004 at 21:17
Hey Kenny,

I would love to get into this with you offline can you drop me an email at

at4wd at ozemail.com.au

Stuart
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Follow Up By: kenny - Monday, Oct 18, 2004 at 09:39

Monday, Oct 18, 2004 at 09:39
Stuart email me at kensmith@aapt.net.au
please remove thepart before emailing
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Follow Up By: AT4WD ADVENTURES - Monday, Oct 18, 2004 at 09:56

Monday, Oct 18, 2004 at 09:56
Hey Kenny,

Which part did you want me to remove from your email address???

Not sure what you are saying to remove?

Regards,

Stuart
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Follow Up By: kenny - Tuesday, Oct 19, 2004 at 05:46

Tuesday, Oct 19, 2004 at 05:46
Stuart
Thepart was removed automatically by exploroz so as it is above . I have tried emailing you your address comes up as invalid
Cheers
Ken
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Reply By: Member -Dodger - Monday, Oct 18, 2004 at 00:39

Monday, Oct 18, 2004 at 00:39
Great Idea,
as I think Madmans at Hill End is now closed. As has already bin sed insurance may be a prob but if you go ahead let 4wd clubs know. I know that my club at Dubbo would be interested.
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Reply By: Member - Mungo Explorer (NSW) - Monday, Oct 18, 2004 at 00:58

Monday, Oct 18, 2004 at 00:58
"Big European carp"? HOW big???
Makes my mouth water... I have been fishing exclusively for carp over the last forty years (I was young then...). Haven't fished at all since coming to Oz, but fancy myself as a specialist pest exterminator...
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Follow Up By: kenny - Monday, Oct 18, 2004 at 09:35

Monday, Oct 18, 2004 at 09:35
Mungo
We have caught carp close to 10 kg which is big indeed . The Turon is clear water and makes perfect sight fishing for them . The Macquarie River which is nearby has many more numbers . In good times ( no drought for several years ) other species encountered are Murray Cod , Trout , Red Fin , Catfish etc but It would be misleading to mention them at this stage of the drought but be assured there are plenty of big carp in the river . If you would like to give it a try you can access the river through our property if you would like to give them a try .
Cheers Ken
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Follow Up By: Member - Mungo Explorer (NSW) - Monday, Oct 18, 2004 at 23:47

Monday, Oct 18, 2004 at 23:47
Very tempted, but unfortunately I flogged all my gear before I came to Oz. Have been thinking about getting back into it, so don't be surprised if I take you up on that!
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