Range Rover and who I should see in QLD re: dodgy motor!!!

Submitted: Tuesday, Oct 19, 2004 at 10:38
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Gday all,

Well, my mates all know me as 'never pay full price'...but unfortunately, I've made my first bad vehicle choice. I purchased a rangy a couple of months ago that was running rough, but had a quote for repairs of around $800.00, timing chain to be replaced and 2 exhaust valves shot. Oh well I thought, I can do that.

Pulled down, all pistons bad, valves bad, etc etc. O Oh.

I know there is a very good rangy place out at redcliffe. I really would like to get this thing on the road, new tyres, suspension, no transmission leaks etc made it a viable purchase but not now! You live and learn.

Anyone know where I can get parts/motor/perhaps whole vehicle to save a $$ or two?

Cheers

Chris.
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Reply By: GO_OFFROAD - Tuesday, Oct 19, 2004 at 11:19

Tuesday, Oct 19, 2004 at 11:19
You could of picked any cheap rangie, and got a bad one ;-)

I remember the first thread on looking for one of these, and I commented on the amount of money it takes to keep one on the road.......

my advise, put it back together, and sell it......
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Follow Up By: Member - Chris M (QLD) - Tuesday, Oct 19, 2004 at 11:41

Tuesday, Oct 19, 2004 at 11:41
Thanks Go_Offroad.

I'm looking for helpful advice. Know of plenty of people who run rangies with little expense. The 3.5 is a tough motor and mated with the 4 speed is a good mix.

Want to know of somewhere in QLD/Brisbane where I can get advice to get this baby going without spending 5k. Apart from that, it's a good truck. Only took the risk on the motor, and a risk it was!

If in two years I have problem after problem, I will then be in a position to agree.

But only if I have the data/personal experience/fuel economy/comparision chart to do so in accordance with your requirements. ;-)
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Follow Up By: GO_OFFROAD - Tuesday, Oct 19, 2004 at 11:45

Tuesday, Oct 19, 2004 at 11:45
well, fair to say its go_offroad 1 / Chris 0 on the rangie so far then.....

time will prove the rest, as Im talking from experience, where as your "hoping" your correct ;-)
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Follow Up By: Member - Chris M (QLD) - Tuesday, Oct 19, 2004 at 12:04

Tuesday, Oct 19, 2004 at 12:04
Gday mate,

As far as I was aware, this site exists to provide helpful, and engaging advice, not biased opinions and tallying scores?

Further, from memory, my experience last time on a post albiet tested and proven by owning vehicles and comparing to others was not enough to prove and/or disprove anything.

Being biased and argumentitive does not prove anything apart from the fact that you are suffering from a deflated ego proped up by your own inability to swallow the bitter pill and accept that sometimes others may just be correct.

I know you like to stir the pot, but my question was not ' Should I sell or keep?' but it was 'What or where can I get help.'

I look forward to receiving help from you in the future when answered in an unbiased and helpful manner.

Cheers,

Chris.
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Follow Up By: GO_OFFROAD - Tuesday, Oct 19, 2004 at 12:19

Tuesday, Oct 19, 2004 at 12:19
You said you "were looking for helpful advise", I gave you some, sell it, simple, but thats the joy of posting to a public forum, you dont get the answers you want to hear all the time.

As for a deflated ego, and not accepting the pill yada yada you carried on with, i read a passage in the good book once, it said

" you cannot remove the splinter from your brothers eye, until you remove the plank from your own"

Like I said, time will prove one of us right, and one of us wrong, sorry it wasnt what you wanted to hear, but thats how it goes in a public arena.
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Follow Up By: Member - Chris M (QLD) - Tuesday, Oct 19, 2004 at 12:31

Tuesday, Oct 19, 2004 at 12:31
I rest my case.
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Follow Up By: pathfinder - Tuesday, Oct 19, 2004 at 13:06

Tuesday, Oct 19, 2004 at 13:06
yep, reference to 'the good book' pretty much says it all - fundamentalist views in more ways than one... Based on your spelling, I think you should spend some more time with that other good book - the dictionary ;)

peace
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Follow Up By: GO_OFFROAD - Tuesday, Oct 19, 2004 at 13:11

Tuesday, Oct 19, 2004 at 13:11
funny,
didnt know it was a case, or you were submitting a defense......

And of course anyone with nothing to add always goes the spelling route, when anything to do with the topic is beyond them......
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Follow Up By: pathfinder - Tuesday, Oct 19, 2004 at 13:19

Tuesday, Oct 19, 2004 at 13:19
actually I do know a fair bit about the general subject matter having owned Rangies and many other 4wds. However, unlike yourself I believe in helping people and answering the question - rather than offering useless bits of personal opinion. I don't live in Qld, so can't help Chris with his question.

As for your spelling, you really do seem to have a problem with mixing up your c's and s's...or are you American ;)
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Follow Up By: GO_OFFROAD - Tuesday, Oct 19, 2004 at 13:23

Tuesday, Oct 19, 2004 at 13:23
Its ok, no need to explain.....really ........

And maybe I need to swap the S and the C on the keyboard ;-))))))))
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Reply By: Member - Crazie (VIC) - Tuesday, Oct 19, 2004 at 12:20

Tuesday, Oct 19, 2004 at 12:20
Hi Chris

This might sound a little bit out there, but since moving down to Victoria from Brisbane, I noticed how cheap the 2nd hand Range rovers were down here compared to Brisbane. I would think due to the amount of Toorack tractors going around. Jump on the trading post for Vic. When we did one up in Brisbane, we use sandgate wreckers as they had one, pure luck i think. Not sure if this helps and certainly not wanting to hinder your search.
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Follow Up By: Member - Chris M (QLD) - Tuesday, Oct 19, 2004 at 12:24

Tuesday, Oct 19, 2004 at 12:24
Gday mate,

Ahh, good ol' Sandgate Wreckers! Got alot of stuff from them. I'll give em' a call and see what they have, you never know...

Noticed alot of Range Rovers down there going for cheap, almost bought one that had a 4.4 in it but too much to green slip.

Actually, on a side point, I saw a guy from Sandgate Wreckers fanging up the road with a GQ Patrol on the Fork Lift, quite a funny site. Should have seen the trailing arms...Ouch!

Thanks for your help mate.

Chris.
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Follow Up By: Member - Crazie (VIC) - Tuesday, Oct 19, 2004 at 12:43

Tuesday, Oct 19, 2004 at 12:43
Hey Chris

What about Kelly's Wrecking on Beams rd, they used to have a massive yard with all sorts of goodies.

Nothing surprises me with those guys, we used them a fair bit too.
Not sure what years yours is, but I jumped on the trading post and they atarted from $1900 for a complete car, it was 1982. I could believe the price of them down here. extract below.

RANGE ROVER 1982 YELLOW, V8 Range Rover engine, extractors, recently tuned, eng#CR8131115A00613 good interior, VGC $1900ono

good luck mate

Adam
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Follow Up By: Member - Chris M (QLD) - Tuesday, Oct 19, 2004 at 13:32

Tuesday, Oct 19, 2004 at 13:32
Thanks mate, will try them to. I guess you put the blinkers on a bit when it comes to looking for specialised parts and they may be right under your nose. I take Sandgate Rd twice a day at least, so I'll put the calls through.

Cheers mate, you've been a great help!

Chris.
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Reply By: Ian from Thermoguard Instruments - Tuesday, Oct 19, 2004 at 14:19

Tuesday, Oct 19, 2004 at 14:19
A bit further up the road, Chris, but British Off-road at Forest Glen (just south of Nambour) are usually good for advice and you never know what they may have sitting in their shed.
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Follow Up By: Member - Chris M (QLD) - Tuesday, Oct 19, 2004 at 14:42

Tuesday, Oct 19, 2004 at 14:42
Gday ian,

Thanks mate, I'll give em' a burl!

Cheers, and thanks.

Chris.
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Reply By: David O - Tuesday, Oct 19, 2004 at 17:28

Tuesday, Oct 19, 2004 at 17:28
Well what an interesting little thread developing here.

No personal abuse here but lots of experience. A Range Rover can be an excellent choice for an inexpensive 4wd, and I have recommended older rangies as such for those who want a very capable but inexpensive vehicle, with certain qualifications

Regarding the cost of ownership- fuel consumption on my 3.9 V8 is on a par with any petrol 4wd- 14 to 16 L/100K on highway, 19 when outback touring. The 3.5 carb model doesnt fair so well.

Cost of maintenence if done by the dealer can be high, but shop arouind or do it yourself. You see with a little bit of searching, you can find lots of places selling OEM parts cheaply and there are so many Rover nuts ( i mean that in a nice way) that there is plenty of help available for the inexperienced. Do the work yourself and they are cheap to maintain, just don't buy the parts from your LR dealer. Now there are some people who jsut should never maintain there own vehicles and given the dealer service costs for RR, there are probably many Rangies serviced by these people and that could be the reason there are som real dogs in the used market.

There are several keys to purchasing and owning a rangie-

Don't buy one with an engine that is already tired/noisy unless you have access to another engine. One really quick check is to pull a rocker cover off, and look at the residue inside, if it is black rather than tea coloured, don't go near it.

Check the compression prior to purchase, check the radiator by running the car in sand or something to work it hard, stop the engine and put your hand on the back of the radiator, check for cold spots, usually the bottom will be coldest if the radiator is blocked which is a common occurrence. It blocks becasue it has horizontal rather than verticle elements, so be sure to flush the system annually and use inhibitor.

The older they are, the more work is required, If I was buying an old Rangie ( and I've bought two), I would and have taken them straight home, pulled the engine out and replaced welch plugs and head gaskets, but hey I'm a bit of a perfectionist when it comes to reliability/maintenence. For a really tired unit like yours, I would have negotiated the price based on the need to replace the engine, and there are several places you can get complete engines, and after fitting you will have a very capable 4wd that will still have cost you less than the equivelent Toyota/Nissan.

Reading the horror stories in a recent post, about the Nissan 3.0TD, I think you have bugger all problems by comparison. If you want answers to specific RR questions, feel free to email me adminatdjolsendotcom

There is nothing intinsically wrong with Range Rovers, the 3.5/3.9/4.0 motors are as reliable as any petrol engine you can buy. The marque has a bad name from a certain period of time, and that has blackened the whole range, but the engine never was the problem.

So here is the rub, stay away from early model HSE's, with HEVAC systems, EAS and all thoise electronic goodies (baddies). Buy a rangie with coils all round preferably a classic from around 1990 for the budget end or a 1995 lower spec 4.0 for those with around $40K to spend.

If you are looking at the lower end of the market, keep $5K handy and calculated into the price for just the kind scenario you have.

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Follow Up By: Member - Chris M (QLD) - Tuesday, Oct 19, 2004 at 17:42

Tuesday, Oct 19, 2004 at 17:42
Gday mate,

Just the answer I was looking for...and I think that the 'interesting thread' has been put to rest.

I'm considering taking this as an expensive learning curve, waiting for a registered unit to pop up in QLD and buy it, at least I have the extractors, 2.5 inch exhaust, new tyres, gearbox and transfer all in good order.

Have kept your email address and will be sure to pop you an email should I get even more confused.

Thanks for your help mate, and the time you spent replying!

Cheers

chris.
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Follow Up By: David O - Tuesday, Oct 19, 2004 at 18:12

Tuesday, Oct 19, 2004 at 18:12
Also go here

http://www.comcen.com.au/%7Eblumx/index.htm Go to the forum.

for help from those "rover nuts", just remember the golden rule of forums- the advice you get is as good as the price you paid for it!

Since it is free, its often not worth much, but you learn to filter the info and sort out who knows what they are talking about. You also learn to do the simple stuf first before you take anyones advice to pull the whole thing down or something.

Cheers

David O
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Follow Up By: Member - Chris M (QLD) - Tuesday, Oct 19, 2004 at 18:17

Tuesday, Oct 19, 2004 at 18:17
Thanks mate!

And understand about the advice, I can see where your coming from. Just had a bone to pick today with someone who is always critical of others replies! But definitely see where your coming from mate...

When it's free, don't complain. ;-)

Cheers mate!

Chris.
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Follow Up By: David O - Tuesday, Oct 19, 2004 at 19:58

Tuesday, Oct 19, 2004 at 19:58
LOL No I meant the Range Rover forum, there are some people on there who will give bad advice but they mean well....still I like your assumption :-)

David O
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Follow Up By: GO_OFFROAD - Tuesday, Oct 19, 2004 at 21:38

Tuesday, Oct 19, 2004 at 21:38
LOL
maybe you guys could organise a group buy

8-)))
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Reply By: theshadows - Tuesday, Oct 19, 2004 at 17:35

Tuesday, Oct 19, 2004 at 17:35
I'll second british off road .
If you need advice and part try coopers at amaroo pk sydney.

nothing wrong with the 3.5 rangie ...after all they are 30 years old now
shadow
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Follow Up By: Member - Chris M (QLD) - Tuesday, Oct 19, 2004 at 17:49

Tuesday, Oct 19, 2004 at 17:49
Gday Shadow,

Exactly what I thought, cannot see a problem with the rangy, been around for a long time, I'll give these british offroad guys a call tomorrow...

Cheers mate,

chris.
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Follow Up By: David O - Tuesday, Oct 19, 2004 at 17:55

Tuesday, Oct 19, 2004 at 17:55
British Off-Road are great. While you are talking to them, tell them I am the guy who they sent the distributor to in Laura on Cape York, and give em a thankyou from me.

David O
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Follow Up By: Member - Chris M (QLD) - Tuesday, Oct 19, 2004 at 18:02

Tuesday, Oct 19, 2004 at 18:02
Gday David,

Thanks for that. Will do. Starting to get that warm and fuzzy feeling about British Offroad!

Cheers

Chris.
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Reply By: Bob H - Thursday, Oct 21, 2004 at 02:19

Thursday, Oct 21, 2004 at 02:19
Hi Chris,

You could also try www.autotrader.com.au as there is a lot of stuff on there at times.

Bob
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