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Submitted: Tuesday, Oct 26, 2004 at 21:18
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Member - Jim M (NSW)
radar detectors will be worth $1175 and nine demerit points. driving to close to another vehicles attracts $300 and three points, and now aimed at vehicles with bullbars and fishing rod holders will now attract $225 and three points. {owner driver oct 8 2004} www.ownerdriver.com.au
Reply By: Member - Jimbo (VIC) - Tuesday, Oct 26, 2004 at 21:34
Tuesday, Oct 26, 2004 at 21:34
New Govt inventions to collect revenue.
Ease up on your fibre intake, they will soon fine you for farting.
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Follow Up By: Mike Harding - Tuesday, Oct 26, 2004 at 21:41
Tuesday, Oct 26, 2004 at 21:41
However the question is:
Will you do anything about it - or will you, like most Australians, just sit back and accept it?
Mike Harding
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Follow Up By: Member - Jimbo (VIC) - Tuesday, Oct 26, 2004 at 21:53
Tuesday, Oct 26, 2004 at 21:53
Mike,
Let me know of your public stand on such issues and I will support you (assuming I personally agree with your standpoint).
My constant objections to Govt give them grief. If only others would do the same instead of being constantly "bent over" we may see some change in policy.
Please don't assume I let them bend me over.
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Reply By: brian - Tuesday, Oct 26, 2004 at 21:45
Tuesday, Oct 26, 2004 at 21:45
anyone got the clear covers that fit over number plates that make it impossible for cameras to photograph numberplates,just curious.also i believe police do not have powers to totally search vehicle for radar detectors eg if it is secreted behind grille or in headlight etc,they can only look in obvious freely available areas,anyone with better info out there???
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Follow Up By: DeanoNSW - Tuesday, Oct 26, 2004 at 21:50
Tuesday, Oct 26, 2004 at 21:50
How are they going to do a roadworthy inspection ? Of course they can.
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Follow Up By: theshadows - Tuesday, Oct 26, 2004 at 23:11
Tuesday, Oct 26, 2004 at 23:11
The police have to power to do random searces anytime and no reason !! Its been like that for a few years.....and yes they wll tow you car {or in my case bike } to their centre to strip it completely and you got to pay some one to put it back together........{cough and no they never did find the little sucker}
shadow
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Follow Up By: Muddy 'doe (SA) - Wednesday, Oct 27, 2004 at 08:38
Wednesday, Oct 27, 2004 at 08:38
Have you heard of Radar Detector Detectors? The police have these!
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Follow Up By: Patrol22 (Queanbeyan - Wednesday, Oct 27, 2004 at 12:47
Wednesday, Oct 27, 2004 at 12:47
Hey Muddy - do you know how these things (ie the detector detectros)? I too have heard of them but never seen one. Also makes me wonder if they actually exist. Afterall a radar detector is a passive device just like a GPS - it doesn't transmit anything so how can they distinguish it from an
orange on your dash?
Just curious!
Cheers
Pete
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Follow Up By: Muddy 'doe (SA) - Wednesday, Oct 27, 2004 at 13:40
Wednesday, Oct 27, 2004 at 13:40
Hi Pete,
From a website in US:
A Radar Detector Detector (RDD) is a microwave receiver used by police to detect signals radiated by the local oscillator (A circuit inside the detector) of a radar detector. The trade name of the commonly used RDD manufactured is Interceptor VG-2, most often simply referred to as VG-2. A newer device in this field is called Spectre and it can detect all the "Undetectable" radar detectors that are on the market! Spectre has upgraded their RDD twice so far, to catch other detectors that tried to "hide" their emissions. Currently, the latest version is Spectre III (6/04).
An officer using a RDD typically parks next to a busy freeway and aims the device at a 45 degree angle across the traffic stream. The RDD acts just like a radar detector when it hears an approaching radar detector, increasing its audio alert rate and progressively lighting more LED's in its visual display. By observing the traffic and watching how the RDD responds, the officer can make an educated guess as to which vehicle is using a radar detector. Some detectors are "noisier" than others and can be detected by the RDD from as far away as 4,000 feet.
Cheers
Muddy 'doe
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Follow Up By: Member - Karl - Wednesday, Oct 27, 2004 at 16:17
Wednesday, Oct 27, 2004 at 16:17
Brian,
Those plastic sleeves and the sprays etc on number plates don't work. I work in the field of law enforcement and I know. Best thing to do is don't speed.
Also as far as I know radar detectors work only on active signals - such a speed cameras that are constantly on, and not passive systems - such as radar guns which only work when the operators aims it at you and pulls the trigger. By the time your unit indicates that it's picked up the radar you have been caught
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Reply By: daren - Wednesday, Oct 27, 2004 at 00:23
Wednesday, Oct 27, 2004 at 00:23
For those that are camera shy,
a trick that works is to paint your plates with clear paint. Not just one coat but about 10. Has the same efect as the clear plate covers but a lot less detectable.
Daren
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Follow Up By: Troopie - Wednesday, Oct 27, 2004 at 17:19
Wednesday, Oct 27, 2004 at 17:19
Heya
The latest cameras and software are able to pick up the differences in the height of the number plate - what I mean is - the raised lettering on the plate can be read - so no amount of covering or painting will help you.
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Reply By: Bob H - Wednesday, Oct 27, 2004 at 00:29
Wednesday, Oct 27, 2004 at 00:29
Soooooo, the NSW Gestapo strikes again. You people voted them in to power, so vote the ba,,..#$s out. If all 4wd owners put pen to paper and fingers to keyboards, then maybe the gestapo will pull their horns in.
Sorry people, Im over it now. Done too many
miles steering semis through NSW to have any respect for the gestapo.
Sorry all for the spit
Bob
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Follow Up By: Member - Mungo Explorer (NSW) - Wednesday, Oct 27, 2004 at 00:37
Wednesday, Oct 27, 2004 at 00:37
The NSW Gestapo? Why not call Carr the Maroubra Pol Pot? Sorry, but the comparison with the Gestapo over something as trifling as speed cameras is,
well, tasteless. At least to those who know what a real gestapo is like.
And as to voting, do you think Brogden would abolish speed cameras? Dream on...
Finally, what's all the fuss about? People who speed and tailgate deserve all they get. Now whetherthe speed limits are always justified, or the cameras in the right place, is another matter...
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Reply By: Bob H - Wednesday, Oct 27, 2004 at 00:56
Wednesday, Oct 27, 2004 at 00:56
Where did speed cameras and tailgating come in? Obviously, you have not driven big milage behind the wheel of a semi or you would know why the term gestapo is used in reference to the police and rta in NSW.
Where do these people get off on fining you $300 dollars for a spelling mistake, forgetting to put a line in the log book, 1 side light on the trailer not working out of 10,being 2cm too high, being fined for doing 120ks in a semi thats flat out at 95ks,etc,etc,etc. I could go on for a long time on this subject but I think thats enough.
Fair enough if you are speeding, cop it sweet. Tailgating, if you have driven a semi then you would know that you must build up speed to overtake, consequently, you catch up to the slower veh in front and try to overtake, but, some one appears on the horizon and because we try to drive safely, we have to slow down again. Next thing, pull over driver, you were tailgating.
Truckies and 4by owners are the easiest targets to hit so this is what the gestapo do. Raise revenue and get lots of brownie points in the bargain.
Also, a good mate went into the NSW gestapo and told us that at the acadamy that when you pull any one over, they must be booked for something. eg, truckies are the best as they are the least likely to fight the fine in court.
Get out in the real world and experience real life. Take those rose coloured glasses off.
Bob
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Follow Up By: Bob of KAOS - Wednesday, Oct 27, 2004 at 07:08
Wednesday, Oct 27, 2004 at 07:08
I have had enough encounters to believe that there are more than just a few traffic cops who are crazed bullies. When you hear about the level of corruption in so many branches and at so many levels and in so many states it isn't surprising that there are traffic cops who aren't as pure as the driven snow. Unless we are on their case they will just get away with unacceptable behaviour. Traffic cops should be reminded that they are there to serve the public by keeping the roads safe. In fact they carry on like warlords and treat the driving public as the enemy. (Not all of them - but a good proportion).
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Follow Up By: Member - Jim M (NSW) - Wednesday, Oct 27, 2004 at 20:51
Wednesday, Oct 27, 2004 at 20:51
just for the record i've been driving trucks for the last 12years and done and still doing the big K's and the hours. i was just flickin through the owner driver mag and found the story and thought how petty can they get. i knew radar detectors were elligal dut didnt think they would take points for it. and the tailgating would be at the coppers appinion.[ and being done at 120k's is only a matter of finding a
hill and take ya foot off the pebal and turning off the jakes. yeah been there done that.]
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Reply By: Member - Steve (ACT) - Wednesday, Oct 27, 2004 at 07:14
Wednesday, Oct 27, 2004 at 07:14
A bit like the don't buy petrol at certain
places idea!!
Could you imagine the dent in revenue if everyone avoided speeding or
parking illegally for a few weeks!!
But then they would only find another way to make up lost revenue, and it wouldn't be out of their pockets.
There has often been a lot of talk in this house re how useful a radar detector would be, with fines like that I'll just keep on being the speed police.
Sandy
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Reply By: Nudenut - Wednesday, Oct 27, 2004 at 07:22
Wednesday, Oct 27, 2004 at 07:22
would love to have a radar detector...but not sure if i'd like the fine if caught with it
but a good alternative is ....Speed Alert
it has saved me many times i reckon........
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Follow Up By: Member - Darryl - Wednesday, Oct 27, 2004 at 19:56
Wednesday, Oct 27, 2004 at 19:56
how come they are aloud to sell the things
darryl
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Follow Up By: Nudenut - Wednesday, Oct 27, 2004 at 21:02
Wednesday, Oct 27, 2004 at 21:02
illegal to have ...but not to sell? so you tell me what the problem is...
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Reply By: vuduguru - Wednesday, Oct 27, 2004 at 07:34
Wednesday, Oct 27, 2004 at 07:34
More BS. I was thinking of creating an organisation to defend our rights...then I remembered we have the NRMA. Ha!
PS anyone seen a driver booked for remaining in the righthand lane of a multilane road, with a 80K or more limit. (in NSW) and not overtaking? Not me, and I believe it is the height of inconsideration, let alone the safety aspects.
Regards Shane
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Reply By: sean - Wednesday, Oct 27, 2004 at 08:08
Wednesday, Oct 27, 2004 at 08:08
The NT has open speed limits and every day cars travel at speeds
well in excess of 100 and guess what, they are NOT droppign off like flies like 'every k over the limit is a kille,r as qld would have you believe.
Last christmas the NSW toll was high AGAIN. They could not blame speed so now they blame fatigue. It will never end with idiots in charge. The road toll could actuaally be alot lower and it should be.
And guess what, In the NT, the Labour gov is bringing in all the southern etho of speed and tolls and want to introduce a speed limit everywhere. They have neglected the maintenance on the stuart highway and the road surface is the worse its been for years.
In town centres, they have put 60km/h limits on main arterial divided roads with service lanes that have never been blackspots - and enforce them with vigour with their revenue collector speed cameras.
And more, the NT police are very good, but have not been supported by one extra road patrol in their effort to properly police the roads.
Just Vote for change. Stop believing the propaganda. NSW will always have too high a road toll while the roads
infrastructure is struggling with years of underexpendure. Vote for a lower road toll - vote for the party that will improve the roads
infrastructure.
Voting - It does make a difference if they know it is an issue.
Sean
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Follow Up By: Patrol22 (Queanbeyan - Wednesday, Oct 27, 2004 at 13:02
Wednesday, Oct 27, 2004 at 13:02
Sean
I guess speed limits for the NT are only a question of 'when' not 'if'. It is only a matter of time before some smart
young lawyer has a big win for a car accident victim against the NT government on negligence grouds. When considered in the wider context of scientific research around the world - the chances of having an accident and more importantly a serious accident are much higher at extreme speeds than and more sensible speeds designated by highway and other speed limits.
I don't expect it would be too difficult to argue before a court that the NT Government should have foreseen this and taken steps to manage the risk. Will only take one case - even one that isn't won - for insurance companies to demand action or refuse public liability cover to government agencies in the NT.
Just a thought - not saying I want to see the
Darwin to Alice road down to 80kph.
Cheers
Pete
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Follow Up By: Blackie - Wednesday, Oct 27, 2004 at 20:33
Wednesday, Oct 27, 2004 at 20:33
These are figures for 2001.. The NT had 25 road fatalities for every 100.000 head of
population. NSW 7.9, Vic.9.2, Tas 12.9, WA 8.6.
Deaths per 10 000 vehicle regos. was 4.9 in NT the next was Tas. with 1.8. Make of them what you will.
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Follow Up By: warthog - Wednesday, Oct 27, 2004 at 23:26
Wednesday, Oct 27, 2004 at 23:26
Blackie, they introduced speed limit on the lasseter hwy to
the rock with no positive effect on the road toll. Fatigue is a bigger factor than speed with the long distances travelled. That and poor road conditions and stupid tourists who don,t know how to drive to them. Yes lets intrduce more and slower speed limits that will help with lowering fatigue.
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Follow Up By: sean - Thursday, Oct 28, 2004 at 21:57
Thursday, Oct 28, 2004 at 21:57
Blackie
Dont forget that the NT typically enjoys fatality fee christmas and
easter breaks. NSW has scores killed every christmas despite double demerity points, huge fines, and a copper or speed
camera on every corner.
In the NT the
breakdown of the statistics used to be
well advertised to assist motorist to assess the risks. Open speed has not in recent years been a significant factor. There has been some horrific accidents in recent years, that everyone wishes did not happen, and in which speed not a factor at all.
The most startling recent statistic is from WA where almost all fatalities where from older vehicles and four wheel drives.
Makes sense to me to get the family into the latest model crashworthy car you can afford and then take note of how it is that over a thousand aussies die each year on our heavily speed regulated roads.
Sean
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Reply By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Wednesday, Oct 27, 2004 at 10:23
Wednesday, Oct 27, 2004 at 10:23
Funny thing isn't it???
In
Adelaide (not sure about other state capitals), the radio and TV channels actually broadcast every day, where the speed cameras are going to be situated. To me, it seems the same thing as flashing your lights at oncoming traffic which is about to be "shot" by a roadside
camera or radar (which I understand is illegal to do, if you ever get caught).
Why should carrying a radar detector be any different to listening to the radio to find out where the revenue raisers are hiding?
I remember working in
Canberra a few years back....one of my clients had an electronics manufacturing business....he was involved in the "over the horizon" scheme the gov't was working on. He said he could make a cheap device about the size of a match box....his idea was to have these in his car. Every time he saw a roadside radar set-up, he could throw one of these out of his car, within about 10 meters of the cop car, and it would instantly jam the cops radar stuff. Sounded okay, but i don't know whether he ever did it.
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Follow Up By: Bob of KAOS - Wednesday, Oct 27, 2004 at 19:25
Wednesday, Oct 27, 2004 at 19:25
Roachie,
I believe they are introducing a law that says you are not allowed to look at police cars because when you see one you might slow down and avoid contributing to the politicians' superannuation. And if you see a speed
camera you are supposed to look away, pretend you didn't see it and keep going at 63 in a 60 zone so you get fined (in Victoria at least).
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Follow Up By: warthog - Wednesday, Oct 27, 2004 at 23:41
Wednesday, Oct 27, 2004 at 23:41
What needs to happen is that people ,travelling at the speed limit of course, run off the road and score a direct hit on the policecar or spee...revenue
camera. "Sorry officer I was just watching my speedo to ensure that I didn,t place anyone in dire danger by exceeding the legislated limit greater than 3kmh, and must have drifted off the road striking your goodself, but the important thing is that I was travelling at a safe speed
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Follow Up By: Muddy 'doe (SA) - Wednesday, Oct 27, 2004 at 23:55
Wednesday, Oct 27, 2004 at 23:55
There was an article in the
Sydney Morning Herald early this week about one of the Pedestrian Council type organisations warning it's members not to cross the road near an operational speed camera.
The reason they gave is that when drivers go past a camera and realise it is there, the next thing they do is look at the speedo in the car to see if they can expect a ticket or not. This results in an icreased danger zone for pedestrians just after where cameras are operating.
Cameras in Europe are turning out to be a major distraction even for
well behaved drivers who are paranoid about being pinged for so called accidental speed offences by being 2 or 3 km over the limit ecause of the lack of tolerances imposed.
So much for road safety!
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Reply By: Truckster (Vic) - Wednesday, Oct 27, 2004 at 11:07
Wednesday, Oct 27, 2004 at 11:07
Radar detectors have been a $1000 fine for about 10 yrs. mates wife found out the hard way on a car she bought second hand.. she didnt know it had one, but didnt know what the flashing light on the dash was occasionally....
The original points added to that fine added some 5 yrs ago.. now they up it to 9 points.
Why are you suprised?
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