The mighty Jack - or not?
Submitted: Tuesday, Nov 09, 2004 at 15:33
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Robbg
Learned forumites,
I've been reading this
forum for only a few weeks, and I've been surprised by the number of Jackaroo owners who are clearly happy with their 4b's. I've had a 98 Jack for over 4 years (now done 170000 k's), and haven't had a moments trouble (though I've not done much offroad).
My question is - should I stick with the Jack (towing a
Tambo CT) for treks planned over the next couple of years (SA deserts,
Kimberley, central oz, etc)? By then she'll have done about 200000 k's.
My main concern is that repairs will become a more critical issue. Also, I don't trust engine management computers. Other issues include the growing number of outback communities that don't sell ULP (my range is only 430k's without jerries).
Comments?
Rob.
Reply By: Top Cat - Tuesday, Nov 09, 2004 at 15:43
Tuesday, Nov 09, 2004 at 15:43
I have a 84 Jackeroo with a 2l 4 cyl motor. Its the original motor and has now done over 309,000 klms.
No smoke or any major probs other than a slight oil leak.......possibly out of the fuel pump area........but at this stage so small its not worth worryin about.
I am not the original owner but via the owners manual have been able to trace it and also to follow all the
services up to about 2 years ago.
I am amazed that each of the owners of this vehicle have all taken the time to write them up each time.
Im also not really keen on anything with a computer in it as it means that Im probably not gunna be able to do much if it breaks down........whereas Im fairly able to fix most probs bush mechanics wise for any non computerised motor.
Reason I bring this up is because I am currently deciding what to replace the old motor with and am tossing between a 3.8l commy motor or an old straight 6.
Hope that gives you an insight into what my old girl has done but remember that a lot depends on how it has been cared for and driven when trying to compare.
Good luck.
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Reply By: Member - Karl - Tuesday, Nov 09, 2004 at 15:44
Tuesday, Nov 09, 2004 at 15:44
If you are happy with it - keep it. Keep it
well serviced and add long range tanks and you should be okay. Don't sell it on the assumption that you might do something in the future.
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Reply By: Member - Ross P (NSW) - Tuesday, Nov 09, 2004 at 16:02
Tuesday, Nov 09, 2004 at 16:02
I find the availability of both ULP and Diesel to be very good. Autogas - no. So make your switch to diesel on fuel consumption, low end torque, especially for towing.
I carry a 22 l jerry can of diesel and have used it a couple of times because, basically, I forgot to fill up.
Long range tanks are fine but they cost, add extra weight and if you're anything like me you let the reserve
tank go empty anyway. Long range tanks also allow you to avoid paying very high prices for fuel if you can go just that bit further but I wonder about the true economics of this for the amount of times you need to do this vs little bit extra you pay for fuel.
Just my thoughts.....
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Reply By: Member - Crazie (VIC) - Tuesday, Nov 09, 2004 at 16:09
Tuesday, Nov 09, 2004 at 16:09
Hey Rob
Sometimes better the devil you know. If everyting is going great and you have it serviced regularly, get the once over before you go, carry some spares, probably no need to swap it over, unless you want more torque than a diesel 4WD would be an advantage.
At least you know the history with your current 4WD
Have a great trip.
Adam
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Reply By: Banjo (SA) - Tuesday, Nov 09, 2004 at 17:20
Tuesday, Nov 09, 2004 at 17:20
If you like it, keep it until you don't like it ! Its false economy IMO to get rid of it just coz its getting on a bit - it'll cost you heaps for something else in a more popular make - the Jack has probably hit the bottom of it's steep depreciation curve and the value should decline gracefully now.....posts here suggest a
well-maintained 99 version of any mainstream fourbie would be no more or less reliable (but cheaper to run probably) than any thing new ! ......... I have a 99 TD SE. Onya.
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Reply By: Wetty (W.A) - Tuesday, Nov 09, 2004 at 20:55
Tuesday, Nov 09, 2004 at 20:55
Hiya Rob.
I have a 96 Roo, great car except for one thing. . . . .Holden don't make parts for the gearbox anymore! (Not sure what else!!) I had transfer bearing failure and as a result I now have a Toyota Hilux selector lever for high and low range. I was most disheartened to find this out and it almost made me get rid of the car. Who would have thought after all the S%#T canning I give to Hiluxes I have to have part of one in my Holden???
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Follow Up By: Mad Dog (Victoria) - Tuesday, Nov 09, 2004 at 22:50
Tuesday, Nov 09, 2004 at 22:50
well at least you know that part wont break again..lol
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Follow Up By: Savvas - Wednesday, Nov 10, 2004 at 09:52
Wednesday, Nov 10, 2004 at 09:52
Hi Wetty ...
The MU5A gearbox in the 1996 is the same as the 2003. Holden are obliged to maintain spares for 7 years, so parts have to be available through to 2010. Sounds like the all too familiar story about the dealer not bothering to do the right thing.
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Reply By: Robbg - Wednesday, Nov 10, 2004 at 00:04
Wednesday, Nov 10, 2004 at 00:04
Thanks for the responses. Hmmm, so everyone thinks I should keep it.
If I do, are there particular maintenance issues for a 200,000 km, 3.5 petrol Jack that I should look out for? Are there inherent weaknesses that I don't know about?
Also, certain things will need to be added for extended touring - cargo barrier, bull bar, shockers. Any ideas/experience on brands and prices for these, and what other aftermarket gear is necessary for a Jack?
Thanks again,
Rob.
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Reply By: Savvas - Wednesday, Nov 10, 2004 at 10:37
Wednesday, Nov 10, 2004 at 10:37
Rob,
Inherent weaknesses are zilch. They are a very good unit.
There have been some manufacturing faults in early 3.5 motors that if you haven't come across them yet at 170,000kms, you probably never will. Nearly all of these faults have only showed up in the US (go figure that one) with only the oil burn issue being seen here in any sort of numbers.
1. Leaky inlet manifold - will manifest itself as rough idle accompanied by a hissing noise.
2. Seized no 1 piston - this one really seems to be a US only thing, not sure why. Haven't heard of it in Australia.
3. Some have a high rate of oil consumption - a friend of
mine has a 2002 that burns about a litre every 10000km at 28000km or so, but
mine is at 86000km and burns none.
That's about it, really.
Something to note, is that some 3.5 tend to knock from 60000km and on. There are couple of things to watch out for on this -
a. It could be dirty injectors, so they may need a clean.
b. The 3.5 is sensitive to spark plug choice, use only the original type or BETTER (ie Denso platinum, NGK platinum, Denso Iridium or NGK Iridium IX) and make sure they are gapped spot on 1.1mm. The reason is that the engine management system, as
well as using a knock sensor also uses ion sensing in the combustion chamber to detect the burn quality. The spark plugs are used as the sensors to measure the electric resistance of the gases after the combustion cycle. Over time, you may get a coating on the spark plugs (soot or whatever) that interferes with this measurement.
Pop an email to me at savvas_e@yahoo.com.au for some more info.
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Follow Up By: Savvas - Wednesday, Nov 10, 2004 at 10:49
Wednesday, Nov 10, 2004 at 10:49
PS ... Has the timing belt been changed recently? It's due at 160,000 and needs to be done if you are to avoid terminal engine failure.
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Follow Up By: Robbg - Wednesday, Nov 10, 2004 at 12:35
Wednesday, Nov 10, 2004 at 12:35
Thanks Savvas,
My timing belt was done at done at about 120k. Are you sure it's due at 160? If so, I guess I have another few years before it needs doing again.
Thanks for the other info. The only prob I've had is some sort of slow coolant leak. I say leak, but in fact I don't know where the coolant is going. A pressure test could not establish a leak and there's no
sign of coolant anywhere in the engine bay.
I guess as it comes up to 200k I'm just worried that somethings gotta give sometime soon.
regards,
Rob.
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Follow Up By: Wetty (W.A) - Wednesday, Nov 10, 2004 at 20:36
Wednesday, Nov 10, 2004 at 20:36
G'day Savvas.
I haven't checked to see what box is in my Jack, but I made more phone calls than I wanted to and always got the same response. . . .GMH don't make parts for that box anymore. They may make bearings, but you can't source selector levers or the pox plastic washers under them either. I did notice that I was losing oil from the gearbox to the transfer case, and when I pulled the filler plug out of the transfer case it hissed at me. This prompted me to drill a hole in the top of the case and fit a breather to it. It reduced the running temp and has also stopped much of the flow of oil from one box to the other. Other than that the car is great both on the road on off it.
I will be looking into what box is in
mine and if it is as you say, I will be getting stuck into the GMH boys here!
Cheers
Wetty
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