Permanent 12v wire in 7-pin Britax

Submitted: Sunday, Nov 28, 2004 at 13:42
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Hi all :)

I have a 12-pin, 2-row (7&5) Britax femaleplug on the back of my fourby. My new (very 2nd-hand!!) caravan has a 7-pin (more typically available) male. Plugging the van into the car, I get all the correct indicator lights working OK - blinkers, parkers & brakes. I understand that the van has one of the 7 pins wired to the 12v circuit inside the van, supplying the interior lights and radio, etc whilst connected to the car. Without being able to contact the original owner to ask him which of the 7 pins used to carry this permanent 12 volts from the car, does anyone know if this is a standard pin that I can wire to 12v in my car and supply 12v to the van again? I don't want to go experimenting with arbitrarily supplying 12v to all pins (and finding the correct earth!) so that I can find which pin it was.

Cheers and thanks :)
Chris
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Reply By: Patrolman Pat - Sunday, Nov 28, 2004 at 13:51

Sunday, Nov 28, 2004 at 13:51
http://www.dotrs.gov.au/transreg/vsb/vsb_01_b.htm
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Follow Up By: Member - Chrispy (NSW) - Sunday, Nov 28, 2004 at 14:23

Sunday, Nov 28, 2004 at 14:23
Pat

Thanks for that. Top reference site! Couldn't find that before.....

Well, it seems like it must be pin 5 - which is for service (electric) brakes.... which this van doesn't have - it uses a gravity brake. All other pins are taken.

Chhers and thanks again
Chris
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Follow Up By: Member - Captain (WA) - Sunday, Nov 28, 2004 at 15:56

Sunday, Nov 28, 2004 at 15:56
Hi Chrispy,

Be VERY careful wiring permanent 12V to pin 5. If you hook your vehicle to another trailer with electric brakes you will supply full voltage and burn out either the van brake magnets or your fuse (or wiring if no fuse!).

Reminds me when my brother borrowed a van that had been wired wrong, whenever he put the indicator on the van brakes locked up. He only got to the first corner before a wiring check was in order! But it does highlight what happens when a vehicle is (incorrectly!) wired for a specific trailer and standard wiring protocols not followed.

Not sure on the legality (or roadworthiness if ever checked), but it would defineltly be a non-standard wiring job to use pin 5. But at the very least, use pin 2 because at least a reverse light is rated for full 12V if you ever did connect up to another trailer (but you would have the reverse lights on permanetly).

You would be better off replacing the van 7 pin plug with a 12 pin plug. This way you can use pins 8, 9 or 12 and as they are a larger pin diameter, they will handle much more current (either 20 or 50 amps from memory, says on plug cover).

Cheers

Captain
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Follow Up By: pjchris - Sunday, Nov 28, 2004 at 16:03

Sunday, Nov 28, 2004 at 16:03
Most people use Pin 2 (Reversing lights) including caravan service centers. If pin 2 is already connected in both the van and car, put the car in reverse so the reversing lights come on and see if the interior 12v lights in the van work.

I have not actually ever seen a Caravan with reversing lights and if you read the note on that page "Note:Because of interchangeability problems that may arise, it is recommended that pin 5 in the 7 pin connectors be used only for service brakes."

If you use pin 5 and plug in a van with electric brakes you will destroy said brakes. Whereas if the van does have reversing lights and you've used pin 2 then all that happens is that the reversing lights come on.

Basically if you use pin 5 you limit your vehicle to trailers/vans without electric brakes.

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Follow Up By: Member - Chrispy (NSW) - Monday, Nov 29, 2004 at 08:07

Monday, Nov 29, 2004 at 08:07
pjchris

Thanks for that advice :)

What I'm doing with this van is leaving it permanently on our block of land while we build the house and a road to get to it. I'm not doing the mod for the car, but rather a 200A/H battery I'll mount in a battery box to plug into the van while we're down there. I need to mount a Britax female plug on the top or side of the battery box to charge the battery at home, and them plug into the van when I get down to the property once every couple of weeks. In time (when I can afford it :( ) I'll leave the battery there permanently with a 30-watt or so solar panel.

Cheers :)
Chris
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Reply By: David Au - Sunday, Nov 28, 2004 at 22:44

Sunday, Nov 28, 2004 at 22:44
While the 12 pin plugs are reasonable, if you are using it to charge an auxiliary battery in your van, you are better using an Anderson plug and socket. They are only $20.00 for the pair
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Follow Up By: Member - Chrispy (NSW) - Monday, Nov 29, 2004 at 08:10

Monday, Nov 29, 2004 at 08:10
Agreed David - I'll be using a set of Anderson plugs for our offroad trailer's battery. The caravan will just use the Britax for simplicity, as it's a permanent fixture on our property now.

Cheers :)
Chris
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Follow Up By: Member - Ross P (NSW) - Monday, Nov 29, 2004 at 08:46

Monday, Nov 29, 2004 at 08:46
Chris,

Buy a 12 pin Narva or Britax plug and use one of the appropriate larger pins. They are rated for 30 A where the normal pins are only rated for 20 A.
I assume you are running the 3-way caravan fridge on gas, otherwise I'd say use the 12 pin plug or an Anderson plugged appropriately wired to minimise voltage drop to the fridge.
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Follow Up By: Member - Chrispy (NSW) - Monday, Nov 29, 2004 at 10:46

Monday, Nov 29, 2004 at 10:46
Hey there Rosscoe :)

Yup - the caravan runs on an old gas fridge - that works an absolute treat. It's wonderfully cold - after you wait for a few hours and keep the door shut ;)

Thanks for the info on the 12-pin. I'll use one of the larger pins.

Cheers
Chris
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Follow Up By: David Au - Monday, Nov 29, 2004 at 15:36

Monday, Nov 29, 2004 at 15:36
Managed to buy some Anderson plugs today for $22.00 a pair (both sides) or $40.00 for 2 pair (4 plugs) incl postage.
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Reply By: Member - Collyn R (WA) - Monday, Nov 29, 2004 at 16:37

Monday, Nov 29, 2004 at 16:37
Be careful with this one!

The AS Standards recommend Pin 5 of 7/12 pin connectors to be used for electric brakes. Most makers/installers adhere to this.

The Standard recommends Pins 9/12 as auxillary/spare respectively, but many caravan makers use Pin 2 (Reversing Lights) for a 12 volt feed.
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Follow Up By: Member - Chrispy (NSW) - Monday, Nov 29, 2004 at 17:30

Monday, Nov 29, 2004 at 17:30
Noted Collyn - and thanks :)

I bought this van, on old 1965 model from Franklin (great nick too!!) and the guy that had it before me only has 7 pins on his car - therefore it must have used one of those.... somewhat logical I guess.

He didn't mention using the reversing light pin, but if I feed that one 12v to find out I suppose I won't damage anything. Failing that, I'll need to trace everything back from the interior lights to the plug at the front and see what is connected to what.

Cheers
Chris
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