Today tonight have the answer

Submitted: Monday, Nov 29, 2004 at 18:46
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Did anyone see today tonight. Apparantly power poles kill people now . People calling to get rid of them , since there the cause of so many deaths on our road . There getting better , let me tell you .
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Reply By: stitch - Monday, Nov 29, 2004 at 18:54

Monday, Nov 29, 2004 at 18:54
If they didnt hit the power poles, they surely would have their car parked in your front bedroom or living room.
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Follow Up By: In hock - Tuesday, Nov 30, 2004 at 07:01

Tuesday, Nov 30, 2004 at 07:01
Funny stuff !
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Reply By: Leroy - Monday, Nov 29, 2004 at 18:55

Monday, Nov 29, 2004 at 18:55
Eric,
Even worse, I hate those poles that 'jump out' in front of you when you have an accident! lol

Leroy
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Follow Up By: Member Eric - Monday, Nov 29, 2004 at 19:10

Monday, Nov 29, 2004 at 19:10
Not well trainned now are they
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Reply By: Mark R - Monday, Nov 29, 2004 at 19:22

Monday, Nov 29, 2004 at 19:22
Hang on guys - I have to disagree with the general thrust of these comments. While I agree they don't jump our in front of you, nevertheless they can be placed in more or less dangerous locations. I live in Tasmania and am very disturbed at how many power poles (called hydro poles here) are placed on the OUTSIDE of bends and corners. In most cases there is absolutely no obvious reason why they are not situated on the INSIDE of the bends so that a car leaving the road, which is many times more likely to do so under the influence of momentum and centrifugal force, via the outside of the corner!

I know there will be some dogooders who will say "if you weren't speeding in the first place, hadn't been drinking etc then you wouldn't have left the road and hit the pole". But, hey, anyone can make a mistake, hit ice, hit oil, hit an animal. have a blowout, mechanical failure etc etc and if the clever people keep placing man made, potentially fatal obstacles on the outside of the corners then more people are going to die or be injured, sometimes in very innocent circumstances.

Interested in your thoughts
Mark
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Follow Up By: Mark R - Monday, Nov 29, 2004 at 19:27

Monday, Nov 29, 2004 at 19:27
Sorry, few typos but I'm sure you get the gist. By the way, I agree Today Tonite = Sensationalist crap
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Follow Up By: Brew69(SA) - Monday, Nov 29, 2004 at 19:31

Monday, Nov 29, 2004 at 19:31
Isn't the inside of a corner from one direction the outside of the corner from the other way? Or maybe i am not following???
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Follow Up By: Mark R - Monday, Nov 29, 2004 at 20:09

Monday, Nov 29, 2004 at 20:09
Inside of a corner is the side with the shorter radius - same side whichever direction you're going
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Follow Up By: Member - Jeff M (WA) - Monday, Nov 29, 2004 at 20:18

Monday, Nov 29, 2004 at 20:18
After hitting a reenforced power pole at 60km/h in heavy rain when I was younger because the car aqua plained going up a hill around a bend (front wheel drive and inexperience also played a factor) but the power poll was so damn close to the side of the road we went straight into it, almost killed my girlfriend at the time detstroyed a beautiful car and I was very badly hurt myself.
I have to agree that long sweaping corners or main roads should not have huge reinforced power poles half a meter from the curb. It's crazy.

But while I'm on my soap box, our wonderous slackies in local government in the northan suburbs of Perth have decided that our streets are obviously just way to wide and people go too fast on them so they have planted bollards and trees in the middle of hundres of streets.
Great... A kid rides out in front of you on his bike, instead of swerving and saving his life, you end up dead rapped around a f'ing tree. Good thinking d heads!
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Follow Up By: Lone Wolf - Monday, Nov 29, 2004 at 20:49

Monday, Nov 29, 2004 at 20:49
Jeff,

When I lived in Glengowrie in SA, we had chicanes put through our street.

We all petitioned to have them removed, and we were successful!

Cheers

Wolfie
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Reply By: Aston - Monday, Nov 29, 2004 at 19:23

Monday, Nov 29, 2004 at 19:23
Eric,

I worked for the SCC,Sydney Electricity, Energy Aust for 35 years.
and the only thing that I can say is why do people deliberately try and
demolish the POWER POLES.
All that I can say if you hit one it will cost you a lot of money because on
to all the costs is a levy of 150% oncosts.

An ironbark does'nt crack that easy.

Cheers Aston
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Follow Up By: Member - Jeff M (WA) - Monday, Nov 29, 2004 at 20:20

Monday, Nov 29, 2004 at 20:20
AMEN to all that, I hit one HARD. Not only did it hurt very much, it totally destroyed a lovley car and Western Power charged my insurance company $2500 to put a brace around the poll about half way up where it has a crack in it from the impact.
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Follow Up By: Member Eric - Monday, Nov 29, 2004 at 22:55

Monday, Nov 29, 2004 at 22:55
I hit one also lol , but all my fault , 18 13 sec V8 ( that was quick then lol) no experience . Lucky everyone lived
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Follow Up By: Andrew - Tuesday, Nov 30, 2004 at 14:41

Tuesday, Nov 30, 2004 at 14:41
They try that, you broke my pole, you pay trick everywhere to stop you thinking about their liability. If they put the pole somewhere where it is going to kill some one then they have to move it or protect it with deflecting barriers or whatever.

Why should some one pay fora mistake with their life!

Have a look at how many of these things are within 1 meter of the road edge and then think about how easy it would be to miss if any thing went wrong, swerve for kids or roo or puncture.

If it has been hit once and they haven't done something about it then they can be criminally liable for creating an unsafe environment. It comes under "Duty of Care".

regards

A
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Reply By: theshadows - Monday, Nov 29, 2004 at 20:39

Monday, Nov 29, 2004 at 20:39
It is true that a lto of poles are placed were they are in dangerous positions.
Up in Qld most of the wireing is now under ground around brisbane and the traffic light poles are colapse safely.

Maybe the rest of Australia should follow Qld's example.

shadow
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Reply By: Lone Wolf - Monday, Nov 29, 2004 at 21:01

Monday, Nov 29, 2004 at 21:01
I must have been all of 14 y/o when this subject first come up in the media.
It seems to crop up regularly.

Now, some may agree, and some disagree...... that is good. ( The subject, not my age... )

But one thing remains............

The networks are short on stories!

I remember whilst doing some sort of course or something, we had to read a column in a newspaper which was photocopied, and handed around to us.

We then had to form personal opinions on the column, and then voice them in turn. The item was about something that was close to our heart, but I can't remember what exactly.

Turns out the column was written in the 1800's!!!

Talk about history repeating itself.

Imagine doing 4 years of Journalism, then getting a crap hack job doing that sort of coverage....
..... no wonder Peter Parker changed into Spiderman, and Clark Kent changed into Superman...... to get some reality!!

Cheers

Wolfie
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Reply By: Member - JohnR (Vic) - Monday, Nov 29, 2004 at 21:30

Monday, Nov 29, 2004 at 21:30
Folks,

One of the pieces of roadside furniture on the safest of roads in Victoria is a camera pole that watches silently, but over a small cross. It is only about three kilometres from the Werribee turnoff on the Geelong side.

In Europe we would find a trampoline or guide so that piece of furniture would not have that cross to be sentinel over. It is good to focus on the dangers to all in otherwise such safe situations.
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Follow Up By: Lone Wolf - Monday, Nov 29, 2004 at 21:38

Monday, Nov 29, 2004 at 21:38
John......

That sounds like a Buddhist Koan!!

You know, like what is the sound of one hand clapping.... LOL!!

I read it 5 ( five times ), and still don't get it.

Enlighten me....... please...... LOL!!

Cheers

Wolfie
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Follow Up By: Member - JohnR (Vic) - Monday, Nov 29, 2004 at 23:13

Monday, Nov 29, 2004 at 23:13
Wolfie, along one of Victorias' (supposedly) safest roads is a pole that clamed the lives of two who were pushed off the road into the said pole. So many others have an easy break capability but not this one and nor is there any protection against hitting it hard. It killed as I said above, and stands sentinel over a small cross and flowers.

It is too sad to be hand clapped over by one or two hands that this pole is one of a very few along the road between Geelong and Melbourne. I think there is only one of these and one has to wonder it's existance.

p.s. I'm not Buddhist by the way, but i think
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Follow Up By: theshadows - Tuesday, Nov 30, 2004 at 06:57

Tuesday, Nov 30, 2004 at 06:57
I think the today tonight artilce was run because of the Wyoming incident last week. In case you havent heard a 20 year old idoit child took daddies R34skyline for a run at 150kms through a 50 zone got airbourne and tore the car in half on a traffic pole ..... shame he took a 33 yearold male and his 15 year old girlfriend {who was 7 months pregnant [ you do the maths]} with him and scattered their bodie up and down the central coast.

shadow

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Follow Up By: Bonz (Vic) - Tuesday, Nov 30, 2004 at 18:49

Tuesday, Nov 30, 2004 at 18:49
The cross is there because two people died when they wrapped thgeir car around the pole and it burst into flames. One of the best reminders of roadside carnage I know of is the crosses places by others where loved ones have perished on our roads. In some places (SA's got lots) there are small posts with red and black crosses indicating deaths and injuries, another excellent reminder.

Its not poles who kill people, its people who kill people, same as guns. If all our wheels are on the road and turning, not sliding or skidding them the poles can be 1cm from the side of the road and not one of them has a malicious bone in their body. Rather its boneheads and inexperience and inappropriate speed and loss of control that makes the bang.
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Follow Up By: firestang - Wednesday, Dec 29, 2004 at 23:20

Wednesday, Dec 29, 2004 at 23:20
The local fire brigade has lobbied the local council and more importantly vicroads on how dangerous those easy break poles are especially in the Werribee /Hoppers area at the old maltby bypass . To close to the road and fall over when a car looks at them and all that jazz . I think there were 6 incidents in a month involving poles falling both when hit and missed by cars

guess what?
Nothin .
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Reply By: tour boy - Tuesday, Nov 30, 2004 at 07:38

Tuesday, Nov 30, 2004 at 07:38
I'm suprised that they didn't blame a 4wd or bullbar for the poles being in the way!!
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Reply By: Truckster (Vic) - Tuesday, Nov 30, 2004 at 10:06

Tuesday, Nov 30, 2004 at 10:06
Hey if the UK cops got a power pole speeding with a speedcamera, surely they are a deadly thing to have around the streets.
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Reply By: Member - DOZER- Tuesday, Nov 30, 2004 at 17:19

Tuesday, Nov 30, 2004 at 17:19
Gday Eric
Yes, i am amazed too. Power polls dont kill...the sudden stop and lack of give in their design does though, not to mention what they hold up out of the way....
what about the list compiled to help Teens help themselves.....all negitives, no mention of extra training in driver skill (like the bikes do for their L and or p plates) no new ideas to help teach by example...like those drive your car with 2 beers under the belt and hit a cardboard kid, etc etc etc. Things that will change their attitude b4 an accident or a family of their own does.....
Andrew
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