Patrol diesel 2.8 litre vs 4.2 litre

Thanks Truckster.

Cheers,
Poe :)

Also the 2.8 only has the car running gear out of 200zx's...

Truckster where did you get the fuel figure of 16/100 for the 2.8 from? My 2.8 tdi gu has averaged 11.33 ltrs/100kms over the last 100000kms (yep that's 100,000kms) of trouble free motoring. I don't tow anything other than my 7x5 box trailer around town and down to the coast with the boat on it but I have done two trips to the tip of Cape York, at least half a dozen trips into the Vic High Country, s.......te loads of trips into the Brindabellas, and only today returned from a 2600 kms trip into the Melbourne mountains including Deep Creek 1 and 2, Mt Selma, O'Tooles loop, Morning Star and a number of others - and the old 2.8 still returned and average 12.0 ltrs/100 kms on this trip - and most of it was done in low range.
The 2.8 does have a low rev torque problem but that is overcome by knowing the vehicle and learning to drive it accordingly. Having said that I would not buy a 2.8 to tow a heavy trailer through sand.

Cheers
Pete

He pulls them out of the sky.

I agree with you he is as usual way off with his facts .

11/12 is the norm for the 2.8.

Poe with my gq I get around 17 per 100ks 4.2 efi
regards uppy

From the 3000+ people on the combined patrol forums I run/moderate, from numerous other4b forums that are out there....

Johnno1 posted this followup
11/12 is the norm for the 2.8.

LMAO now also a Patrol expert as well as knowing everything about USA Toyotas. You havent got Shi+ right yet in anything. You are an expert alright - drip under pressure.

Also the post below from Bundy man
And I get about 16L/100km on the highway

Any further questions

Well I guess I just got an unusual one (but then so too are the other two 2.8 patrols in my club). I have kept fuel/milage records since I bought the vehicle and my maths are right as well. I can understand how Bundyman gets 16/100 (Quote: And I get about 16L/100km on the highway (and yes I drive it the way you would if you weren't paying for fuel).).
I don't wish to get into an argument (hence my ignoring Johonno1 as I guessed it was the same bloke who posted all those ACCURATE (??) toyota stats) - but simply point out that my more that 100,000kms of records show that my 2.8tdi returns between 11 and 12 ltrs/100kms on average.
Cheers
Pete

Enough said.

Truckster will dispute it however.

Thanks Gossy.

'Tis a pain in the arse being such a tightwad sometimes.

Poe :)

Thanks Peter. I'd love to buy a later model but $ won't get me there yet.

I'll get my budget 4WD and campertrailer and enjoy them whilst dreaming of newer shinier toys. Got to get one of those powered parachute thingys at some point too! What a blast.

Poe :)

PS

I get 3.2km to the litre towing a large trailer over sand and haven't got stuck yet.

beatit, you wouldnt get stuck ,youre got a 4.8 petrol,whats the use of a deisel that gets a few more kms when you are stuck
regards uppy

Low down torque is the diesels advantage amongst others .

G'day Johnno,

It was a toss up on the old diesel V's petrol question. At the purchase time the bride was driving all of 1.5 Km to work, now driving these short distances aint good for any car but I had it in my mind that a diesel would suffer even more. But no regrets.

Kind regards

That might be so but I really could not say.

Johnno 1 ,the big petrols have alot of torque.Ive had both petrol and diesel 4.2 gq and there isnt much diff
regards uppy

Of course there isn't we all know that but also those who know their stuff which you clearly do not realise that the maximum torque of a Td motor comes in at around 1800-2000 rpm which is far more useable and down low compared to the petrol which requires more rpm to deliver the same torque.

I would not expect you to understand the importance of this for economy and useability.

Thanks for enlightening me,But I need to inform you that I was talking about the Gq Patrol ,that isnt produce as std with a trubo diesel.Please take time to read whats in front of you.Also you still have answered my question,Do you start school the same time as I do
regards uppy

I agree with Uppy. The main to to consider also is not whether petrol is better than diesel, who has the better low down torque etc - but it comes down to the ability of the person driving the vehicle. If you can't drive the conditions you are going to get stuck regardless.

ofcourse it does. That is a given , but the same driver in both vehicles will do much better in a T/D model .

I agree with Carl,and Johnno1 you need to get out more
regards uppy

Hi Andrew, Its great to see other people drive petrols on this forum,is good to be a leader and not a lamb
regards uppy

Petrol 4b's are for woodies and shopping mum's.

We all know that.

Hi Johnno1,thanks for your informed reply.I take it you will be starting back to school the sametime as I do
regards uppy

Actually Uppy, I recently upgraded from the GU3.0 td to the GU4.2tdi. But that was done with very serious consideration of the petrol. Things that swayed me in the end were engine simplicity, low down torque, better diff ratio, engine braking versus the touchy throttle, the constant reminder of petrol pricing, no room for a 2nd battery, worse turning circle. In the end I bought what best suited me, and as a bonus, my wife thinks it was the right choice too.

There are still perfectly valid reasons for buying a petrol, and I reckon its worht considering all options, not discounting an option because of one comparatively minor cost difference.

Cheers
Andrew

Johnno1 posted this followup
We all know that.

Yea, birdys 180kw GQ, or Darrens 200kw 80series he raced in winch challenges, and was raced in outback challenges, was for his mum...

Another expert post from our resident moron Johnno. Make the most of it, school goes back soon..

Hi Johnno1 .When you say we .who do you mean?.Awaitting your very informed reply.Also stop upsetting Truckster,he has given alot of good information on the forum over the years
uppy

Anybody who has been around 4b's and driven long distances in them knows T/D is the only way to go.

THANKS ,for your answer.Ive done both in petrols and diesels .You still have not answered my question,Is WE,your many voices talking in you little head.Also what do you drive and where
uppy

LPG ??

Are you kidding ?

No thanks , and this is why not.

http://www.utes.com.au/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=59&Itemid=90

One would have to hold that article under major suspicion when the writer cannot get basic but important facts correct.

Quote:
>Remember excise will increase until it is at the same level as ULP

End Quote

Not true, never was true.

Mad Dog - I don't wish to give any credence whatsoever to Johonno1 but whoever wrote that article about excise was right on the money. Two federal budgets ago Treasurer Costello clearly pointed out that exercise on automotive gas will increase annually to 2012 when it is intended that it be at the same level as other automotive fuels - this was to enhance Manildra's (and probably other producers as well) chance of getting a larger share of the market with their ethanol.

nup, instead of listening to the crap that was wriiten on various forums at the time I suggest you research the matter from official documents to learn the truth. Yes there will be excise but not to that degree and on the 31st march 2004 the government defered the start of the annual excise increments to 1st july 2011.

So polite yet - sorry I didn't know about the deferral but I do have the relevant budget documents in my office that indicate that this is the governments intention. So what happens now.....do they make the jump in one single bound.

It was Dec 2003 when the Gov announced that starting 2008 LPG excise will be applied in yearly increments rising to a max of 12.5 cents in 2008.

March 2004 the Gov announced the start will be delayed until 2011

This is no secret, it's all over the web and was reported in daily newspapers. Unfortunately there was a great deal of crap posted on various forums from people who read the headlines and not the body.

That's 12.5 cents a litre...not a tankfull :)

Mad Dog you really dont understand the excise very well do you.

As PAtrol says it is fact ..

Go away andresearch a little before you post again please.

HERE is the Governments version of the facts which is the same as I posted above. Maybe you should inform them they are wrong.

I stand corrected.

That is what I like to see. Facts to back up a statement. Not much of that around here though.

Mad Dog - that works for me. But how does that relate in $ terms. For instance we had a dual fuel V8 Land Rover with us over the Christmas break in the Vic High Country. The cheapest gas he was able to buy was at a mobil service station on the highway near Pakenham - this was at 35.5 cents per litre. If you translate the 12.5 cents per litre to a % rate it is approx 35% of the retail value on this price. From memory I think that that is not too far off the actual excise on petrol and diesel (given that excise is a federal tax). There is however and additional 3 to 8 cents per litre levied by the Federal Govt and transferred to the States (except Qld) where there is an 8 cent per litre rebate funded by the State Govt. - bugger this is getting complicated ain't it no wonder it is nigh on impossible for anyone to work out the real pricing components of fuel. But then again what's it really matter - if we want to continue travelling and driving in the best country on the planet we have to pay what the going price is. If they (governments) weren't getting the money this way they'd have to get it from some other source which could even be more painful on the hip pocket. I guess we just have to grin and bear it.
Thanks for the debate. Stand fast Johonno1 who had nothing to offer in real terms.
Cheers
Pete

I think the big difference between the proposed LPG and the petrol excise is that the LPG excise is not expressed as a percentage so with the natural price increases excise will not increase and obviously when 2011 arrives LPG will be priced above the present level as will petrol. Still it's a long way to 2011 and anything could happen between now and then.

I've had a good run with dual fuel over the last 15yrs. Not as cheap as it once was and not the best fuel for outback touring but the majority of my driving is well within distance of a supply and with my long range petrol tank I have no problems.

Have a good day Pete

don't go Lpg !!!!

Price never changes when petrol goes up and down. Economy goes through the floor and you have to recoup investment.

http://www.utes.com.au/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=59&Itemid=90

The only issue with LPG is it's availablity in the country. If that is not a concern then get the LPG fitted at the time of purchase and combine it into your finances then. I believe that in some states there are rebates etc for the fitting of LPG. I had a fully worked XC Falcon 4.2 L V8 Panel van many years ago (when I was younger - proberly about Johnno1 age) and it went a treat and I had no problems.

Get it installed by a qualified / professional fitter and have them tune it and you should be okay.

Is proberly a word ?

The only issue is availability hey ?

Do me a favour and work this out.

130 litres in petrol will get you 700 kilometres in a LC100 V8
130 litres in LPG will get you 300 kilometres ( ring ARB / TJM for this figure ).

LPG price is .50 c here right now
Petrol is .84c here right now.

Conversion cost is approx $2000 average .

Now do the sums.

At this price 130 litres will cost $109.2 in petrol
$ 75.00 lpg

To cover the same distance as petrol you will need two tanks at $75 .

This is clearly economis suicide !!.

All figures are supplied by Arb Brisbane .

Johnno you have absolutely no idea. What a waste

such an intelligent reply.

Please give me your informed figures then.

that LPg figure should be $65.0. typo but it is still very ugly for Lpg owner.

for the beach you want low down torque. Cubic inches are irrellevant if the torque is low down. The 3.0 litre t/d is much better in sand than your truck.

daryl I agree with you .dont worry about what little Johnno has to say its just the voices in his head talking, he hasnt informed me what he drives ,if he is old enough to drive
regards uppy