small gripe for Telowie Forest

Submitted: Thursday, Jan 06, 2005 at 12:47
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Just came back from Telowie Forest (just inland from Pt Pirie in S.A.). Checked with the Rangers and I was told that all tracks were open. Went to the map shop and was all set to go.
Get up there and every track is closed to the public (just fire tracks). After many hours of trying to find an open one I eventually drove thru a farm and his back paddock and opened some gates to get on one.
Best driving I have ever done. Low 1 and 2 get up the hills and the same coming back down. Some spots I even got out and looked at the passenger and wondered if we would make it. Camped on this track and then hit the main tourist park the next day. No rangers around and all camping spots closed until the end of March!
So bottom line. All tracks closed to the public and no camping till the end of March.
Finished up going to Melrose and getting the wrong directions for the "bridal track" from the guy behind the bar and spent 2 hours on a farmers track (good track though and should be opened up to the public!! :)
Finally found out that the start of the track was 15km's out of town (not 5km's as told at the pub in Melrose).
All in all I put the trip down as a success but it was a shame that the best driving we did was in places we should not have been! :)
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Reply By: Squizzy - Thursday, Jan 06, 2005 at 12:56

Thursday, Jan 06, 2005 at 12:56
Gossy,

Sounds like you had a drive through Bartagunyah property just south of Melrose.
You are lucky, as he demands a fee to drive that one!

All fire trails are closed during the fire ban season in our area. But the campsite at Wirrabara Forest (Ippinitchie campground) should have been open.

The fire trails are normally shut to the public, but as a 4WD club you can normally get access (albeit outside of fire ban season).

I agree, the driving in our area is quite good.

Geoff.
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Reply By: Gossy - Thursday, Jan 06, 2005 at 13:11

Thursday, Jan 06, 2005 at 13:11
Bought a map when we got back and where the track ended was a small cattle yard and a shed called "jackas shed".

As for Telowie, tried to get onto the tracks from the Highway side (Pirie). Finished up the next hill over (North) from the biggest tower where we camped the night.
It's a shame they don't open it up and provide some small camping spots. Because of the difficulty of the tracks, the numbers using the facilities would be low anyway.
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Follow Up By: Squizzy - Thursday, Jan 06, 2005 at 13:34

Thursday, Jan 06, 2005 at 13:34
You were in the Forestry tracks if you camped on the range north of the large tower.
The track is called Gokart Track where you would have camped.
Where the tower is built is named The Bluff.
We drive that area frequently as a club by paying entry fees to the Forest, and showing public liability insurance cover of $10m minimum.
The only camping allowed is back at the spot I mentioned before called Ippinitchie campground.
You would have been escorted off the tracks if seen. It is closed as I said earlier for fire ban season.

Geoff.
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Reply By: Gossy - Thursday, Jan 06, 2005 at 13:39

Thursday, Jan 06, 2005 at 13:39
Just had a quick flick thru the pictures. We were on the "Williams track".
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Follow Up By: Squizzy - Thursday, Jan 06, 2005 at 14:27

Thursday, Jan 06, 2005 at 14:27
Williams track leads up to the Gokart Track from the western side of the range.
Very nice country, and good driving.
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Reply By: Des Lexic - Thursday, Jan 06, 2005 at 14:38

Thursday, Jan 06, 2005 at 14:38
One question I'd like to ask. Did you get permission to drive through the farmer's property. If not you should not have driven through there as it is private property.
It is actions like yours that will have these access areas closed off permanantly to the detriment of all 4WDers. If all the gates were locked, it would have been pretty obvious that you were not allowed to be there and you should not have gone hunting for a way in.
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Reply By: mac1 - Thursday, Jan 06, 2005 at 14:57

Thursday, Jan 06, 2005 at 14:57
What part of closed track don't you understand?????
Keep of private property if you don't have permishion!
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Reply By: Gossy - Thursday, Jan 06, 2005 at 15:26

Thursday, Jan 06, 2005 at 15:26
Yep, fair call from all. Take my point of view though. I had done the right thing and bought maps. Then I rang the Rangers office at Mt Remarkable and told them where I was going and I was told it was all open. I then packed all my gear and drove 2 hrs North. I then spend half a day driving around trying to find a way to the tracks which at this stage I thought I was allowed on. It wasn't until I got to the end of the track that there was a padlocked gate (the others did not have padlocks or signs saying we could not be there). By the time we got there it was dusk and we needed to camp for the night. What was I suppose to do? I even drove around the farmyard to find the farmer to ask for directions and apologise but he was not there either.
I take you point of view but I did everything in my power to do the right thing. The no entry sign should have been on the very first gate, not the last one at the end.
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Thursday, Jan 06, 2005 at 15:45

Thursday, Jan 06, 2005 at 15:45
but your opening statement said

"After many hours of trying to find an open one I eventually drove thru a farm and his back paddock and opened some gates to get on one."

So, you obviously knew that it was all locked up, and had to go thru a farmers place to get to the otherside of locked gates.
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Reply By: Gossy - Thursday, Jan 06, 2005 at 16:21

Thursday, Jan 06, 2005 at 16:21
ok I'm sorry I rang the ranger and she gave me the wrong info. I'm sorry I got a map (dated 1985) from the map shop and this was the latest the govt has made for the area. I'm sorry I had to second guess a few tracks because the map was 20 yrs old. I'm sorry the farmer wasn't home so I could speak with him.
I'm stopping this here. People don't want to read about this. They find it boring as I am.
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Follow Up By: Mike Harding - Thursday, Jan 06, 2005 at 16:34

Thursday, Jan 06, 2005 at 16:34
No, no and no. I'm sorry you have the "Rules Police" after you now. You have admitted to doing "Something Against The Rules" and, in Australia, that is "a very bad thing to do" - you are very naughty!

Personally I'm bug*ered if I can fathom how this country _ever_ came to be regarded as free spirited or anti-authoritarian by the rest of the world - clearly they have never lived in 2005 Australia.

Repeat after me "I must _never_ break any rules or laws - I understand it does not matter if they are pointless, stupid, just serve particular groups or even if breaking them won’t cause any harm - I must _never_ break them" - next write it out 1000 times: then the "Rules Police" _might_ forgive you.

Jesus! I love this country but, sometimes, I'm glad I have two passports!

Mike Harding

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Follow Up By: Squizzy - Thursday, Jan 06, 2005 at 17:10

Thursday, Jan 06, 2005 at 17:10
Is it okay for people to come along and set up camp in your front garden for the night in your other homeland Mike where ever it may be?

Because that is what is happening in this post. Someone else's property is their own private land no matter where, or how large it may be.

Some consideration needs to be applied, and also the common courtesy of asking before entering.

Geoff.
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Follow Up By: Member - Mike (SA) - Thursday, Jan 06, 2005 at 18:42

Thursday, Jan 06, 2005 at 18:42
Geoff,

I agree with your comments

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Follow Up By: Willem - Friday, Jan 07, 2005 at 10:47

Friday, Jan 07, 2005 at 10:47
"Jesus! I love this country but, sometimes, I'm glad I have two passports! "

So Mike Harding,

Being an Aussie is more of a convenience rather than an act of patriotism or belonging?
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Follow Up By: Mike Harding - Friday, Jan 07, 2005 at 12:12

Friday, Jan 07, 2005 at 12:12
>>"Jesus! I love this country but, sometimes, I'm glad I have
>>two passports! "

>So Mike Harding,
>Being an Aussie is more of a convenience rather than an act of
>patriotism or belonging?

What a nasty little dig.

I don't have to explain my loyalties to you any more than I would expect you to explain your sexual preferences to me.

What I will say is that this country has a serious case of "Jobsworth" disease and it may be fatal. It originates with people saying things like: “It’s against the rules mate, can’t do that it’s more than my jobs worth” and it goes downhill from there.

The Australian population (in general) are subservant to their (many) respective governments to a degree I find both unhealthy and alarming. Those governments, in turn, use this acquiescence to pass more and more legislation which both panders to special interest groups and progressively removes people’s freedoms. And most of the Australian population think this is a “good thing” – especially when the legislation is removing freedoms from _other people_ and not affecting them. Watch what happens to 4WDs in the years to come.

The rest of the world see Australia as a state of independent individuals, a state of adventurers and people who won’t be stifled by petty authority – the rest of the world is wrong and has been for a number of years I suspect.

I fear I can see a day when bureaucracy, petty authority, oppressive legislation and the lack of balls of the majority populous to stand up against bad laws will make me no longer wish to live in this country – I know when I’m beat Willem and if the majority of 20 million people are happy (comfortable and secure even) to live in a nanny state then maybe it’ll be best for all of us if I wasn’t here any longer and that’s why I’m glad I have two passports.

Mike Harding
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Follow Up By: Willem - Friday, Jan 07, 2005 at 12:32

Friday, Jan 07, 2005 at 12:32
Yeah well Mike...You leave yourself open to comment when you post something controversial. I doubt if there is any Utopia on earth. No place is perfect. Your views are also the views of many others. All periods in time are journeys and the wheel will turn and bring new challenges to people, governments and despots alike. I tend to look at the little picture and go along my merry way doing my own thing and skirting around the edges. It is stress free.

Hope you have a nicer life in your other country. Bye!
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Follow Up By: Squizzy - Friday, Jan 07, 2005 at 15:03

Friday, Jan 07, 2005 at 15:03
Mike said;
"What a nasty little dig.

I don't have to explain my loyalties to you any more than I would expect you to explain your sexual preferences to me.

What I will say is that this country has a serious case of "Jobsworth" disease and it may be fatal. It originates with people saying things like: “It’s against the rules mate, can’t do that it’s more than my jobs worth” and it goes downhill from there. "

Boy, I'm glad I live in Australia and not your other country Mike, at least it sounds like we do have some control here.

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Reply By: Gossy - Thursday, Jan 06, 2005 at 17:00

Thursday, Jan 06, 2005 at 17:00
he he. Now I can go home and tell my wife that I've been a naughty boy and I need to be punished! :)
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Follow Up By: Squizzy - Friday, Jan 07, 2005 at 09:37

Friday, Jan 07, 2005 at 09:37
Probably not punished Gossy as much as more educated on the driving on private and government lands.
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Reply By: Willem - Friday, Jan 07, 2005 at 10:29

Friday, Jan 07, 2005 at 10:29
Your greatest misdemeanour was to post your experiences here,Gossy, hence all the flack from the self righteous.

Who said Feudalism was relegated to the Dark Ages? MY Land, MY property, MY possessions. AAAAhhhh It drives one nuts.

But yes, seek permission by all means, that is the right thing to do and mostly the happiest outcome for all. Pity about the uninformed information from those who should know better.

I must go and have a look see for myself one day as I don't live too far away from there.
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Reply By: Gossy - Friday, Jan 07, 2005 at 10:39

Friday, Jan 07, 2005 at 10:39
thankyou Willem!

I was ignoring all the comments and not replying as I was getting bored with everyone being so "perfect". As I said, not my fault if the Rangers don't know the area they are suppose to be looking after and give me the wrong info. Not my fault if no signs on the gates. Not my fault if the farmer was not home ( I did catch up with the farmer next door and talked to him and he was fine about what I did as he didn't have much time for the Rangers either!) I actually parked in National Park (not in the farmers back yard as mentioned). I guess some people just get too excited and expect others to be as perfect as themselves!
They should read my original post which said "So bottom line. All tracks closed to the public and no camping till the end of March." Posting this info so others won't do the same mistake. I thought that was the responsible thing to do.
I posted this so others won't do the same mistake. I wasn't expecting to be abused for it. Quite sad how some react. Must be an ego trip for them!
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Follow Up By: Austravel - Friday, Jan 07, 2005 at 18:18

Friday, Jan 07, 2005 at 18:18
Not sure if everyone is perfect but even if you drove a full day to get there and found what you did, surely you understand that driving across someones property without permission is wrong. Even if you tried and they were not there it doesn't mean close enough is good enough. I don't agree with the law or regulation that just because you own a million acreas you can close it up to everyone, but them's the laws. Probably the reason that most of the way across the Gulf from Chilligeo there are signs at each property telling you not to stop and camp and if you do you'll be charged. They get sick of people doing the wrong thing. In this case doing the wrong thing was ignoring the locked gates and not checking with the owner before trespassing. Mate I see it up here in CQ all the time, pity is many of the local places being close to locals are because of southerns coming up and doing what you did.
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Reply By: Member - Davoe (WA) - Friday, Jan 07, 2005 at 16:11

Friday, Jan 07, 2005 at 16:11
I was kinda in a simular situation last week I wanted to go to peak charles on the way back to kalgoorlie from esperance. Called into the calm office and was told the road in was now open after fires but when I got there the closed sighns were up. I was pretty sure that no one had been out open them being christmas new years etc but turned away anyhow After reading your post I wish I had stuck up for my rights and gone anyway. At the end of they day did you break/vandalise/destroy anything?or did you achieve that great aussie dream of having a great day out at no one elses expense besides yourselves
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Follow Up By: Gossy - Friday, Jan 07, 2005 at 17:10

Friday, Jan 07, 2005 at 17:10
We did the right thing. Didn't have a fire (just a fluro light and fire bans). Didn't even put up a tent but just slept on the ground.
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