Moderators please ammend the forum.

Submitted: Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 10:13
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What a frustrating way to set up a forum !

You can never find a post you are looking for and all the good ones get bumped off the page.

What about something set up by http://www.invisionpower.com/ ?. It is the forum standard on the net now and sites from music to sewing are all using it.

Split posts up into different topics and topics which get responded too are moved to the top. Much better than the antiquated set up atmo.

There is such good traffic through this site I am so suprised it has not been updated already.
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Reply By: Member - Davoe (WA) - Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 10:30

Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 10:30
I prefer this layout to say overlanders. Generally ther is only a finite window which usefull responses are given. Going by the set up you suggest it will be hijacked threads some with forumites generally conversing (which is ok) or other threads such as the extended warranty one from yesterday which I regret to say (very much partly my fault) didnt make good reading for anyone
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Follow Up By: Johnno1 - Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 10:40

Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 10:40
That is fine. The way you do it is too give somebody who comes here regularly some moderation power in which they can lock threads for going off topic.

One of the strictest yet also best forums on the net is Australias very own www.whirlpool.net.au

Great layout and great moderation .

Clean and simple.

Time for a change guys.
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Follow Up By: Leroy - Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 11:29

Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 11:29
I have noticed the chit chat that can push treads to the top of the list like on other forums which can push down the list more interesting topics but then you have to go down the list looking for them....

Join the dots.....johnny

Leroy
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Follow Up By: Johnno1 - Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 11:32

Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 11:32
Yes but here all the good topics get lost forever too anybody who misses logging on for a few days.

Does that make sense ?
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Follow Up By: Johnno1 - Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 12:10

Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 12:10
Moderators can close threads that go off track.

Can you follow that ?
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Follow Up By: Leroy - Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 12:12

Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 12:12
No it's all very complicated but I do try to stick to the topic and answer the question and not hijack other peoples threads.

Can you follow that?

Join the dots.....johnny

Leroy
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Follow Up By: Member - Davoe (WA) - Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 12:18

Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 12:18
The thing I like about this setup is that I get to check out all threads and not just the ones I think might be interesting coz I dont know if I want to read them unless I look. The only ones I dont open are ones I know I definitly cant contribute to for example best camping spot around melbourne or mazda tribute vs mitsi outlander (just examples). I know what the last threads I read were and if away I go till I reach them. threads with heaps of followups have nearly always degenerated (like this one is sure to)
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Follow Up By: Member - Davoe (WA) - Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 12:26

Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 12:26
yep just checked out the whirlpool forum - it is like other forums the ones with the most replys/followups end up fulla crap withlittle usefull info. Generally the most difficult to answer qs on here have the fewest answers - but also the best
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Follow Up By: Member - Chrispy (NSW) - Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 12:35

Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 12:35
While Invision may be a "nice" multi-topic forum, it is certainly not the standard - phpBB2 (being fully GPL and therefore "free") and its derivatives is the defacto standard in public forums these days - by a long shot. I create CMS (Content Management Systems) professionally - and either use phpBB2 or fully-fledged (inc. support) Mambo CMS - not Invision or vBulletin. It's usually most customers' choice - not mine.

Quite frankly, I'm kinda tired of the same-old, same-old. This BBS is nice and simple, and the single forum layout is easy to navigate and search. It doesn't take a rocket-scientist to use it, and you can easily sort threads by activity rather than the default post ID. The reason a single topic board works so well here is that the designers want to encourage "4WD-related" topics only, and not diversify all over the place like some others. They become very messy IMHO, and are not ideally suited to the type of public that browse here.

In a world of forae, I personally like using this system, so David & Michelle - I vote to keep it as it is..... not that it's being put to a vote.........
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Reply By: Member - Geoff & Karen - Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 10:32

Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 10:32
Michelle and David, please leave this forum as it is. It is very user friendly and easy to use. Maybe if Johnno1 became a paying member and used it a bit more he would get used to it. If other forums choose to lay theirs out different then fine, go and use them if you don't like this "antiquated set up". Johnno, most of this forum is set out how the "paying members" have asked David and Michelle to do it. You don't see any of us saying it is out dated. Use it a bit more and you will like it! If you don't, go to the "more updated" forums.
KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK MICHELLE AND DAVID...........WELL DONE.
Karen
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Follow Up By: Johnno1 - Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 10:45

Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 10:45
It is just an idea which I think will create even more traffic here .

Anybody who loves forums as I do finds this setup very frustrating and unique.

Look around and you will agree.

Look how nice and clear this forum is.

http://slskboard.savagenews.com/index.php

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Follow Up By: Member - Geoff & Karen - Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 10:58

Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 10:58
Thats fine Johnno, I'm not interested in other forums, this is the only one we use. How boring would it be if all the forums were the same? All the posts that you think are good posts, somebody else might not even read as it dosn't intrest them. Michelle and David have to cater for all "members" and visitors, and alot of elderly people and people who arn't very good on computers (like my husband, flatout turning the puter on) don't like changes. So how do you know it would create more traffic, alot of people might not use it if it changes.
Leave this forum as it is, and that way we are all happy. Not because one person comes on and says "change it". Alot of paying members would be cranky if one person who is not a member, like yourself, came along and said change it and they did. You are entitled to your say and your opinion, but I thought the way you worded your post was very rude and abrupt...........have you ever wondered how many hours Michelle and David spend organising this forum, and you come along and say what was in your post. As I said Johhno, if you don't like it don't use it. There are other 4wd forums apart from this one, and those I don't use because I don't like the way they are set up.

Ok.............. now I will get down off my soap box and hope I don't slip.

Have a good day...............

Cranky Karen

Go Michelle and David
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Follow Up By: Johnno1 - Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 11:09

Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 11:09
Geez Karen relax a little bit.

There is nothing wrong with change you know . Especially change for the better . The forum is just a default type set up , easy to change and would be all the better for it.

There is so much good information here but it is a nightmare to find !!!!

What a waste.
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Follow Up By: Leroy - Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 11:25

Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 11:25
Little Johnny,

I think it's a case of that you don't know how to use the search function!

Leroy
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Follow Up By: Johnno1 - Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 11:33

Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 11:33
Have no trouble with the search function. How do you know what to search for if you don't log on for a few days ?

Do you guess what has been the hot topic ?

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Follow Up By: Leroy - Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 11:48

Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 11:48
You go away on holidays and you don't buy the paper for a week do you go to the newsagent and buy the previous weeks paper to see what news you have missed?

Join the dots.....johnny

Leroy
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Follow Up By: Member - Sand Man (SA) - Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 11:51

Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 11:51
Johnno1,

You join up as a member, which will give you the added option of searching for posts unread since last log on.

I totally agree with Geoff & Karen on the format of THIS forum.

We are all used to how it operates and have no problem with it.
It's one of the better ones I have used. Bugger whether it conforms to someone else's idea of "standard"
Bill


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Follow Up By: Johnno1 - Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 11:58

Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 11:58
Typical responses.

Knock anything which suggests change until it happens and then you go " wow this is really good now !! "

Natural human response to resist change.

It is for the better in this instance.
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Follow Up By: Leroy - Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 12:06

Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 12:06
And that's YOUR opinion! And that is the beauty of a forum. Everyone has thier own opinion and if they like it the way it is then fine. If you wanted change then you should of voted for Mark Latham.

join the dots.....johnny

Leroy
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Follow Up By: Brew69(SA) - Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 17:20

Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 17:20
The current way the forum works basically sucks big time........often people who reject change become stagnent. The moderation and the fact the popular threads are quickly being bumped off the fron page needs assressing. Ps No sucking up to anyone from me.
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Follow Up By: Johnno1 - Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 18:34

Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 18:34
Well said.

At last someone who is not afraid to tell it like it is to get things improved around here.

Credit to you.
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Follow Up By: Lucky Vic - Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 18:55

Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 18:55
Sorry guys but I would run with that as well.

Often come through these parts but damn it is tricky navigating. Lucky I have got my wife Helen on board .
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Follow Up By: Brew69(SA) - Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 19:06

Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 19:06
Johno .....truckster has posted below in this thread a way to list most recent responses at the top of the page. Makes my point a bit hollow now, but the speed is something i think needs adressing.
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Reply By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 10:43

Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 10:43
I like this layout - something new every day

Cheers
Phil
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Follow Up By: Johnno1 - Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 10:46

Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 10:46
There is something new everyday anyway .

That is the idea of a forum.
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Follow Up By: Member - Clive G (WA) - Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 17:05

Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 17:05
well well well ,

I visitor comes on and criticises the way the forum is running, ummmm I dont here any paying members complaining, strange that hey.

Clive
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Follow Up By: Lucky Vic - Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 18:56

Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 18:56
Hey Clive ,

is that really the case ?
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Reply By: Kiwi Ray - Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 10:49

Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 10:49
I like the way it is, clean and simple, work is hard enough keep play easy
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Follow Up By: Johnno1 - Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 10:58

Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 10:58
Its a nightmare cleaning out your email account all the time. You open it up and check a response which takes you to the thread and then you inadvertently read the other responses while you are there and then you go back to your email to souble check you have not missed one and then you double up double up double up.

Nightmare !
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Follow Up By: Member - Mark M (WA) - Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 11:20

Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 11:20
Karen - you go girl...... there are great benefits to membership, but I suppose only the members enjoy them. I think you stepped down quite elegantly.
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Reply By: Member - Craig M (NSW) - Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 11:04

Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 11:04
Hi,
I am afraid I will have to agree with the other members just had a look at http://slskboard.savagenews.com/index.php as suggested. And it just looks to be overcrowded and more technical to use. Forums are meant to be easy and fun to use, not sommething that looks like your back at work.
Lets hope this one stays the way it is.
It is easy to find info, just do a search.

Cheers
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Reply By: Member - Banjo (SA) - Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 11:08

Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 11:08
This a great forum set up - I don't read any others any more - I like the ease of use....the simplicity....... and Johnno.... did you forget your manners ? How about
"thanks for the facility to the EOz team - might I make a constructive suggestion for your consideration ?".
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Follow Up By: Johnno1 - Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 11:12

Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 11:12
If you want to check out the best forum in OZ then look at this one.

There is not better layout and setup. Easy search facilities which are accurate and clearly layed out threads.

http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/
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Reply By: CruiserHead - Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 11:15

Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 11:15
Unfortunately, I have to say I agree with Johnno1 (for the first time ever!). For an infrequent reader a set with e.g. vbulletin is much more practicle. It is worth a consideration, I think, especially since the traffic is ever so steadily increasing here, and so is the number of posts. It is almost impossible to see which posts have appeared new since the last time one logged in. I suggest: http://www.vbulletin.com/

highly customizable

This forum uses it, too: http://www.osnn.net/

CruiserHead
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Follow Up By: Johnno1 - Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 11:35

Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 11:35
Yes V Bulletin is great also.

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Follow Up By: Member - Jeff M (WA) - Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 15:26

Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 15:26
CruiserHead, having membership eliminates that as you can choose to only read the posts that have appeared since your last logon.
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Follow Up By: CruiserHead - Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 15:30

Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 15:30
Jeff - thanks for letting me know. It seems it does pay to become a member, then. Will have to think about it. Just paid for my 4wd monthly subscription so I canhave the tyre deflators - maybe later in the year...

cheers, CH
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Reply By: Flash - Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 11:17

Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 11:17
I agree. Johnno1 -noone forces you to use or read it. If you don't like it go elsewhere.

Keep it the way it is.
Well done Michelle and David.
"If it aint broke don't fix it!"
Cheers
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Follow Up By: Flash - Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 11:19

Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 11:19
...unfortunate timing...
That is... I agree with most of the posts here. It's fine the way it is.
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Follow Up By: Brew69(SA) - Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 18:10

Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 18:10
fine the way it is????its slow as even with adsl.
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Reply By: flappan - Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 11:31

Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 11:31
Its their forum , and they can have it how they like.

Personally , I dont particularily like the set up , but hey , its not mine , and I'm not a member , I'll just contribute as I see fit.

the one thing that I really dont like , is , if you aren't a daily user , an excellent thread may be back on page 3 , but there is little point in contributing , because , how many people check back past page one.

If the ability was there to either keep current threads at the top , and to bring threads back by contributing to them , that would be fine. You might find less of the same questions occurring.

Other then that , its just a different format.
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Follow Up By: CruiserHead - Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 11:40

Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 11:40
there is, you can select the display to id number or response time (took me a while to figure it out, too.)
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Follow Up By: Johnno1 - Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 11:42

Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 11:42
Oh yeh that is real user friendly .
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Follow Up By: Johnno1 - Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 11:48

Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 11:48
The problem is no other forums have this setup ( for a reason ) and then new visitors here have to be retrained in their browsing techniques.

As you said. There are much better templates than this .
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Follow Up By: Leroy - Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 11:51

Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 11:51
Flappen,

Still worth contributing because the person that asked the question would still value your response even if it is on the 3rd page by then.

Leroy
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Reply By: Willem - Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 11:57

Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 11:57
Aaaahhhhh Johnny Boy

You are at it again. Nevertheless.....

This forum is only a byproduct of the Exploroz website which caters for Travel Information for the general travelling public and overseas visitors. The site and its content is the important part of the system producing revenue for the owners so thay they can make a living. The Forum with its paying members, lookers, lurkers, contributors and miscellaneous is a bit of a fun thing whereby contributers relate their own experiences and normally give out free information. Many changes have been made to the forum set up over the past 3 years, which has benefited everyone. Of course there are always going to be detractors like yourself who, for the want of a better word, try to upset people by posting conceived controversial issues maybe for the wont of some thing to do to see what reaction there will be.

If you miss a post here, so what? If you miss the evening news or forget to buy the daily paper, so what? The world keeps on going along. If you need to find out about anything in particular that tickles your fancy then use the Search Function.

I would say that most of us here on EO have vssited a lot of other forums before and have always come back here because we like the set up and the information received.

At present the owners of this site are on their holidays but you are welcome to put your ideas forward to them when they return and see what they think of it.
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Reply By: Member - Karl - Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 11:57

Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 11:57
I like this forum the way it is. I find it easy to use. I also go on other forums and often find they that they are set up can be a bit confusing etc. IMHO there is no reason to change this one - be an individual not a sheep.
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Follow Up By: Uppy - Member - Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 13:25

Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 13:25
GOOD call Karl.Ive been on this forum for years and dont have a problem with it.Johnno1(voices in my head guy) if you find it slow and old ,move onto another forum,Maybe the playschool forum maybe more to your liking.Also you still have not answered my questions from other postings
uppy
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Follow Up By: Member - Jeff M (WA) - Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 15:28

Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 15:28
:-) Uppy your a classic! :-)
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Reply By: Member - aussichef (SA) - Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 12:02

Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 12:02
Johnno1
why dont you join EO instead of trying to change it & you might see the benifits of the way things are done
You cant meet a more informative active or nicer bunch of people
i joined & have been on a gathering & had a great time membership has it benifits & advantages & why should you critersise when your not even willing to become a member just pick things to peices
warren
EO you do a great job & bring many people with the same interests together
the wealth of knowage available on here is not to be found anywhere on the net
so if u dont like it go else where
warren
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Reply By: Truckster (Vic) - Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 12:24

Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 12:24
Flappan,
Change from POST ID to RESPONSE TIME...
you get the latest posts as they come.
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Follow Up By: Leroy - Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 12:30

Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 12:30
Oh dear.....Truckster what have you done! He who thinks he knows all now knows something new about the forum which he was whinging about in this thread!

Joing the dots.....johnny

Leroy
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Follow Up By: flappan - Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 13:05

Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 13:05
Thanks Truckster , I'll give that a crack.
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Follow Up By: Brew69(SA) - Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 18:40

Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 18:40
Thanks truckster........looks like what i am after. If only i knew before.Wonder how many others didn't know that view existed?
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Follow Up By: Lucky Vic - Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 19:46

Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 19:46
thanks truckster that is very helpful
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Reply By: Member - Jeff M (WA) - Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 12:41

Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 12:41
Johnno1.... Don't like it go somewhere else.

Have you even stopped to think why there is so much traffic on this site compared to the others that are using the "standard" you talk about?
I guess not...

BTW - If you were to spend the money to support this site you would find it much easier to navigate with the member features. Not that I am knocking you for taking advatage of this sites very generous offer for guest users. Just letting you know of the other options.
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Follow Up By: Mike Harding - Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 22:06

Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 22:06
Much of the accurate information on this forum is provided by non members. Should you choose to donate money to a commercial enterprise that is your choice. Without all the non members posting their knowledge this site would be much poorer.

Nevertheless this thread has now become, all but, unusable because of it's length. Anyone who reads usenet would be frustrated by this software.

Mike Harding
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Reply By: Member - Gary W (VIC) - Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 12:46

Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 12:46
Wow what a response.

I also like this forum better than any others I participate in. True it does require regular visits. But I find it so easy to scann all the latest posts and drop into the ones that interest me.

I'd leave it alone apart from the regular improvements the EO team make.

I have to say its a bit rich to suggest we don't like change - 1. the EO guys are changing this site regularly and 2. one of the reasons I like this forum so much is because its different to the other forums out there.

JMHO

gaz
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Reply By: Member - Bradley- Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 12:51

Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 12:51
Hi all , long time listener - first time caller here, i'm a bored toyota employee and i can't find all the posts telling me how grouse anything toyota is easily enough...

Oh, can you also modify the set up so that threads nedlessly hanging s##t on any other brand / model get kept up top, so that everyone gets really bored with it..................................................................................................................
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Follow Up By: Member - Geoff & Karen - Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 16:14

Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 16:14
Bradley, Bradley, Bradley.......you know why you can't find all the posts telling you how grouse Toyota is,,,,,,,,,,CAUSE THERE IS NONE.
All the posts are about how grouse PATROLS are!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Go the TROLS
Sorry, couldn't help my self
Karen
Proud Patrol owner
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Reply By: Member - Crazie (VIC) - Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 13:04

Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 13:04
Johnno1

The only thing I find frustrating about this forum is how morons like yourself contribute nothing but dribble. Most people here use it as a reference point, a useful tool in the discovery of unknown information and a place to make new friends with common interests. You use to fill in your day, express your high opinion of yourself and generally talk bleep . As you can see by the responses, all the members like it the way it is, user friendly and a much clearer front page display compared to the other forums you have mentioned.

As everyone else has said, if you do not like, please feel free not to drop in again.
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Follow Up By: Member - Jeff M (WA) - Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 15:25

Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 15:25
LOL, Crazie well said mate! ;-)
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Follow Up By: Uppy - Member - Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 15:55

Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 15:55
LOL,Crazie,Jeff m(wa) I agree with you guys.
regards uppy
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Reply By: Top Cat - Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 14:02

Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 14:02
Well I agree.

I find this forum easily the most frustrating I have ever seen.

I did...........until reading all of this dribble.........believe however that the people here were generally a pretty good bunch and its why I hang around.

Im now having second thoughts.

The guy........jonno..........has simply aired a fair and reasonable suggestion and he has been bandied from pillar to post.

I am most dissapointed...........My ability to suss people has somehow let me down.

Back to the topic...........yes it is antiquated and desperately needs an update, however in the end its up to the people that run the thing, Im certainly not gunna get all worked up about it..........its a lousy forum for heavens sake.

I think part of the problem is the fact that the demographic on this forum is quite different to most others.

I suspect the average age here would be very high compared to any others I belong to, where I am considered old...........Im 44.

Nothing wrong with that.

And nothing wrong with making a suggestion........the guy made it, and its been discussed.............end of story.

It has certainly made an impact on me however..............Closed minded people give me the iritts.
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Follow Up By: Leroy - Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 14:46

Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 14:46
TC,

I think it's more his attitude and the way he went about sugesting a change. Lot's of posters have made different suggestions and these have been debated, some implemented and some not. The format here obviously suits the demographic here and is obviously sucessful because of the large amount of traffic that comes through here.

Leroy
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Follow Up By: Member - Davoe (WA) - Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 15:48

Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 15:48
Top cat I dont know how often you visit the site but the main reason for the responses have been his replys and hijacking of threads. If you do a search on johno1 you will see what I mean although some of his worst drivel has been moderated. I kinda agree with you that it was possibley an ok topic up for discussion and I thought I gave fair replys further up but his recent activities have everyone on the front foot hence all the attitude. His former identity backtracks got so bad I believe he was banned
BTW 35yrs old and I dont have a closed mind its just that things go smoother when everyone agrees with me
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Follow Up By: Uppy - Member - Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 16:05

Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 16:05
good call Davoe,Top Cat just check out some of the posting that he has been involed in ,and you will see why we react so. regards uppy
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Follow Up By: Top Cat - Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 16:20

Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 16:20
Thanks.

I havent seen any of the stuff u are talking about........probably cos i tend to just mind my own business I guess.

I saw the name of the thread and as its something i agree with, i was prepared to offer my thoughts.............and then got an aweful shock when i read it all.

I dont think I have read his stuff before.........I take ur word on it all.

And yes i agree that it could have been better thought out and put by the original poster...........

Fact is there are heaps of different peeps in the world and all have ideas and some no better how to put there ideas across.........I tend to just accpet that some are not so good at it as others.

Yeah im a pretty tolerant person.

Anyways, such is life.........lets get on with it.

Cheers all.
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Follow Up By: Member - Jeff M (WA) - Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 16:33

Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 16:33
Tomcat,
"The guy........jonno..........has simply aired a fair and reasonable suggestion and he has been bandied from pillar to post. "

He is a self absorbed moron who has been causing trouble on here for weeks.

Fair enough if you think it should be upgrade/updated in some way, however the correct medium for these suggestions is to email the guys that do the hard yards and create this forum from scratch. Not to bad mouth their hard work in the public forum (like Johnno1 has). This forum is unique because David has written it from scratch, not just bought an off the shelf forum package and put his own logos into it. If you have ever done any programing and or webpage design you might have an understanding of how complex it is and how many thousdand of man hours have gone into producing it. To have it shoved back in his face and told to use a $99US package that "EVERYONE" else uses is insulting to David and insulting to all of us who enjoy using this forum.

JMHO of course Tom Cat!

Mind you I found that previous reply to you a tad harsh, but I think emotions are now playing a part for some formites. I do have just posted a reply directed to Johnno1 that is starting to push the boundies of what is exceptable on this forum.

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Follow Up By: Top Cat - Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 18:33

Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 18:33
Jeff M.........

Firstly please note that I had the decency to get ur name right.

Secondly. I have no idea about most of your post......it just doesnt mean anything to me.........or i suspect anyone else for that matter.

Thirdly, You seem to believe that this is run for nothing.........I can assure you the owners would make a handsome profit from it all.......they are not stupid.

Fourthly, I dont care how much effort someone puts into something.......it doesnt take away my right to simply make a comment or to make a suggestion that "I" feel may be an improvement..........its only my opinion........and doesnt mean everyone will agree with it........I am more than happy to accept that.........its why i love my country.

Fifthly, I did not have a go at anyone......... I got no idea why you feel I have insulted you or anyone else.

Finally........relax........its just a forum........a good one interms of being able to help people who have a problem........but thats all it is..........a forum. Of course it can be better.........there is nothing in this world that is perfect. Do I care if my thoughts are taken on board........absolutely NOT....... I couldnt give a pink stuff.

I will however give a stuff if I think someone is being attacked unfairly..............a gentleman took the time to give me a heads up from the other side of things and I accept that.........its OVER.......grab a beer and relax man...........here, have one of mine.

Cheers.
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Follow Up By: Member - Jeff M (WA) - Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 18:43

Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 18:43
Top Cat sorry I got your name wrong.

I can't understand you it did not make sense to you, others please tell me if it was too complicated or if it is just a problem with the way Top Cat is reading it.

You think that they are making squllions?? Do you have any idea how much it costs to run a site like this? Have you even met David and Michelle?

As I said it my previous reply! If you want to make a comment on the way David has written the forum, email him direct don't bad mouth the way his pride and joy work accross a public medium.

I don't know why you think I've been insulted by you, I think you have read an email reply and not the reply in context on the forum their matey.

I'm not stressed. Are you?

I was standing up for you in regards to a reply that has now been moderated, why do I need to chill out? Very strange reply mate....

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Follow Up By: Top Cat - Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 19:02

Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 19:02
OK, now u are making more sense.......I havent seen one of the posts it would appear.

Please re read my posts........at no time have I ever bad mouthed anyone.

No I have not.........and have no desire........to meet them.......why would I want to do that? You act as if they are somebody special.........let me assure you, they are no more or less important in this world than you or me or jonno or Fred at the pub or queen lizzy.

It would appear that you are close friends........Im glad u are supporting them........but u dont need to support them to me cos Im not having a go at them............in fact I dont recall anyone having a go at them in this thread.

Fair dinkum........I have seen some great forum blow ups over the years at other places........but this is the silliest in history.

Keep smiling all.
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Follow Up By: Member - Jeff M (WA) - Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 19:14

Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 19:14
Top Cat
I think with all the moderation going on in this thread it has knocked a few items out of whack.

Maybe I get a bit more of a bee in my bonnet about this kind of thing because I have been there and done that. When you create a complicated program on a computer it is almost like a living thing, when you spend months writing it, living and breathing it you are quite happy to take constructive comments on bugs or ways to make it better but to be told it usless and needs to be replaced with a commercially avil. program I think that's a bit rude. Esepecially when there is no need and the majority of formites are happy with it.

As far as David and Michelle goes no they are not close friends but they are just average joes like you and me, they are running this website and trying to make a living to support their family and get to enjoy some 4wding and traveling as part of their work. They are not millionares, they are not big shot business people just people like us and they offer a great serice for us at no or very minimal costs to us but HUGE amounts of their time and money are spent on keeping it going for all of us to use.

Having a go at this forum (which J1 IS doing" is having a go at David's program, he wrote it.

I am sorry if I somehow implied that you were bad mouthing people, I would have been reffering to J1.
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Follow Up By: Lucky Vic - Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 20:01

Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 20:01
Hello Jeff. I find most of that a bit rich. A good friend also in his 50's runs a forum for model aircraft and has very good traffic through there. the upkeep is absolutely minimal . He can leave it for months if he wants to and it just goes and goes.

Huge amounts of time is a bit rich sorry but I can understand you sticking up for a mate.
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Follow Up By: Member - Jeff M (WA) - Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 20:08

Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 20:08
Lucky Vic , You are obviously not understanding several things...

1. This website is not JUST a forum.
There is a lot of other work that goes on here as well.
2. This forum is NOT just an off the shelf forum program that you can go and buy (like Word or Excel) David has Written it from scratch.

How long does it take you to write a letter in word Lucky?
How long would it take you to write word, that is make your own word processor from scratch using Delphi or Assebly? Then right your letter.

Total different Scenarios matey.

3. He's not my mate. I've only met him once.

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Follow Up By: Lucky Vic - Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 20:14

Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 20:14
And I don't understand your point.

Are you suggesting that you continue using something that is clearly inferior just because it was hand written by someone ?

I am not Pc whiz but I am sure that a young gun could program this site in not too long at all. If there is something better available you use it , no need to get emotional about it.

Surely the paying members deserve atleast that ?
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Follow Up By: Member - Jeff M (WA) - Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 20:21

Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 20:21
Why do you think that I am being emotional?

I don't belive it is inferior I like it, that's why I only use other forums when I have to (maybe for different types of content).
The fact that it is customer written means that when members go through the correct channels and ask David constructivly for modifications (as has been done in the past many times) he can go ahead and make them excactly the way the members want them.

The fact that you think a young gun can "slap it together" means you truley have very little understanding of what we are talking about.
Regards,
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Follow Up By: Lucky Vic - Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 20:25

Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 20:25
Your opinion.

We will leave it at that then.

Vic
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Reply By: Member - Landie - Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 14:19

Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 14:19
Many members have echoed the same comment - join, pay the people who set it up some money for the trouble they go to, and you will find that when you log on you only see posts with new comments/feedback.

Although I must say one useful addition, that I suspect many would take advantage of, would be an IGNORE button.

You and youir largely irrelevent posts would be flicked with one foul swoop...........
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Reply By: Taize - Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 14:44

Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 14:44
I frequent a numberof forums - including some of those mentioned in this thread. While exploroz does not have the bells and whistles of other forums it also does not have the same amount of crap. I find this forum refreshing because each thread stays on topic (for the most part). If you are looking for information its much easier to find here than on other forums because you dont have to weed through the threads that go off topic.

Once I found the option to display threads by response time rather than thread id it was easier to keep up with the current topics of discussion.

I'm not against change-but why change something that works and risk this forum being hijacked by pointless topics. If you want to "chat" there are plent of other forums, including 4wd forums, that you can join.

my 2.5c

Kym
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Reply By: Johnno1 - Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 15:49

Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 15:49
I took the step to post a request at Whirlpool about this site to get some different opinions from others out there and you can read them for yourself here.


http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies.cfm?t=286269
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Follow Up By: Leroy - Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 16:13

Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 16:13
"here please pass opinion on this forum so we can better handle the increased traffic we are receiving"

You speak like you have been a long time contributing paying member of this forum or that you own it or something.

"Most of the members seem to like it the way it is but I feel this could be because they have experienced nothing better yet"

As someone has pointed out there are other4x4 forums that are out there but they prefer the format and style of this one.

You just don't get it do ya.

Join the dots......johhny

Leroy
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Follow Up By: Member - Davoe (WA) - Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 16:16

Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 16:16
I took the Liberty of checking out some of the other posts on that site and I got the distinct impresion that that particular site catered for an entirely different social and age and intrest demographic to this one, my suggestion would be rather than directing us to other sites would be to contact the site owners with a detailed suggestion of changes with an example of the finished product
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Follow Up By: Member - Crazie (VIC) - Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 17:51

Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 17:51
I have tried the forum you recomend at least 10 times and been told it is offline....... fantastic. So I then went to the front page of the forum and read through some threads, it appears they the users of that forum are not completely happy with it....
best you go back and join them.
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Follow Up By: Lucky Vic - Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 19:56

Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 19:56
Might have something to do with traffic ?

71,054 members
7,268 in past 24 hrs
583 are online now
306 guests visiting
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261,803 threads
4,125,129 posts

That place is damn busy !!
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Reply By: Magnus - Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 16:10

Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 16:10
Hmm

Wonder if the following applies

Definitions of troll on the Web:

An outrageous message posted to a newsgroup or mailing list or message board to bait people to answer. Trolling is a form of harassment that can take over a discussion. Well meaning defenders can create chaos by responding to trolls. The best response is to ignore it. Also, the person who posts such messages.
www.walthowe.com/glossary/t.html

A purposely stupid, inflammatory, or downright wrong article (closely related to flamebait). Its purpose is to get people mad and make them look stupid and gullible
www.aol.com/netfind/newsgroup/glossary.html

Methinks. Sir, that you are a Troll.

Cheers

Magnus - Satisfied non-member
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Follow Up By: Member - Mike H (VIC) - Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 18:13

Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 18:13
Hi Magnus,
you have got it in 1 :-)

Cheers
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Reply By: Johnno1 - Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 18:20

Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 18:20
This says it all really.

click
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Follow Up By: Johnno1 - Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 18:25

Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 18:25
Voting so far

User Friendly - 1
Difficult Navigation - 12

some comments

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That said, at a first glance the page looks way too cluttered / overwhelming and therefore I did not even bother trying clicking around to see how the navigation feels.

In this aspect, it really needs to be more user friendly.

Another vote for WAAAY too cluttered. But thats just myopinion. It looks like when you ran out of space you just reduced the font size to fit more on :)
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Follow Up By: Member - Crazie (VIC) - Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 19:32

Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 19:32
It doesn't actually say anything...

have you counted up the number of people here who actually use this website who like it how it is vs you.
User friendly about 40 +
Against - maybe 2

The people you asked are not used to using this site and have no interest in why this site exsist.

Not sure of what you are trying to prove here and not sure why you have bothered. All you have done is critises someone elses work, and by posting your thoughts on antoher forum and asking other to evaluate this site, just shown everyone what a narrow minded, thoughtless person you are.

Number of people who want you on this site - 1 - you
number of people who couldnt care less if you came here came - probably every legitimate user of this site.
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Reply By: Member - Davoe (WA) - Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 19:40

Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 19:40
just had a look at the whirlpool voting and the reply from tex zero caught my eye he has succeeded where you have failed. I instead of just saying change the layout he has offered good constructive suggestions. Wheather I agree with him or not he has taken the time to but a bit of thought into his post - perhaps take a leaf out of his book. And as for the post afterwardsROTFLMAO
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Reply By: Lucky Vic - Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 19:52

Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 19:52
I love the post some guy has put on that site.

This guy is a Trol. This is the fuss your mate johnno01 has created on another forum and it may spread here also as a result. Here is the link to his latest thread.

www.exploroz.com/Forum/V...DActive%26PN%3D1

The link shows nothing ?

Strange way to prove a point.

For those who care the voting is at 15 against and 2 for.

Vic
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Follow Up By: Lucky Vic - Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 19:54

Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 19:54
Oh I personally agree that Whirlpool is a great easy to use forum.

Never heard of it but thanks for the link whoever it was.

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Reply By: awill4x4 - Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 20:02

Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 20:02
As an infrequent poster but a nightly reader of the site I can't get over the absolute opposition to what was a perfectly reasonable suggestion.
If you like it the way it is fine, state your likes and dislikes and be done with it. But the attack on people who think the site is cluttered and user unfriendly is unbecoming to its members.
At the moment I'm a member of over 20 different forums from 4x4ing to welding to geocaching, caravanning, camping etc etc etc.
Quite a few are Yahoo groups which I find even more cumbersome than this site. I agree with Johnno 1 that this site is difficult to use. Personally I prefer sites like that of Outerlimits where the site is split into various areas and I'll look at those areas in which I may have an interest.
Also with these sites on any particular topic you can click on "view newest post" so you're not constantly scrolling through the entire article trying to sort between "reply's" and "followups" by looking at the date then maybe scrolling down to see if any followups or reply's are down any further.
Also on Outerlimits, new posts are highlighted in red arrows, old posts in yellow arrows so you can see instantly just how far to scroll down a whole section to start your nightly viewing of posts.
If this site stays the same I'll still be reading it every night it won't make me stop but I would prefer a different format.
Regards Andrew.
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Follow Up By: Lucky Vic - Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 20:05

Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 20:05
Very well said.

Why is their such opposition to change here ?

It is as they say very "cluttered" .. For my old eyes anyway.

Seems poor johnno01 has copped both barrels for a fair and reasonable suggestion.

I thought better of the folk here.
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Follow Up By: Bonz (Vic) - Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 21:12

Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 21:12
When the site appearance changed I didnt really like it, I was used to looking here for this and there for that, and then its different. If I was asked to vote I would say leave it as it was.

Now I can't remember what it looked like before and I like what its like now. Its whatever you get used to and if you want the info you'll use the tool.

nuff sed
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Follow Up By: Mad Dog (Victoria) - Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 21:49

Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 21:49
>Why is their such opposition to change here

Humans are creatures of habit Lucky, we are most comfortable with what we know and resist the unknown. Once the change occurs most adapt of us adapt very quickly.
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Reply By: Karsten from Birdsville Studio - Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 21:18

Tuesday, Jan 11, 2005 at 21:18
Is this a vote?

I think the forum is fine. The Website itself - superb. I'm sure Dave will update it where necessary...and when he has the TIME.

If I may offer a suggestion to you Johnno1, in the nicest possible way. Why don't you get your 14 year old son to design a forum to your liking, tonight. Drop a line on here tomorrow to let everybody know what the address is. Then those who are of your thinking can join you, those who are happy can stick with EO and everybody would be very happy. Amen.

Now, you have said how easy it is, so please, humour me. If you don't, well, we'll all know where you are coming from.

Living & running a business out here in Birdsville, this forum and website makes a BIG difference to us & people like us.

One thing you do learn out here is PATIENCE.

Take care.

Karsten.

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Follow Up By: Uppy - Member - Wednesday, Jan 12, 2005 at 10:06

Wednesday, Jan 12, 2005 at 10:06
Well said Karsten,I well also check out you new 4x4 website Johnno1 and looking forward in beening enlighten,by you wealth of information which will not be bias at all.In fact sign me up now!!!!
uppy
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