Shower in 2.8TD GU Patrol
Submitted: Tuesday, Feb 01, 2005 at 18:29
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rolande
G'Day All,
The minister for war and finance has demanded a shower and a
toilet when we go away on trips. I eventually solved the
toilet problem by handing her a large shovel and a roll of
toilet paper. Now for the next problem. I have been looking at Helton heat exchangers, have even found a spot below the second battery to mount it, but haven't solved the problem of plumbing. Has anyone else fitted a shower to the 2.8?
Photo's I have seen are all of the 3.0 or 4.2. Second problem is how to connect the hose from the vehicle to the shower rose. What have others done?
Interested in any thoughts, including type of hose connectors and type of pump used. I have a shurflo pressure pump sitting in the shed, how would I connect this?
Rolande
Reply By: Member - Davoe (WA) - Tuesday, Feb 01, 2005 at 18:41
Tuesday, Feb 01, 2005 at 18:41
single and loving it!
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Follow Up By: rolande- Tuesday, Feb 01, 2005 at 20:43
Tuesday, Feb 01, 2005 at 20:43
Yes, but then I don't get to say
"But Bonz rekons this is how it should be done"
LOL
Rolande
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Tuesday, Feb 01, 2005 at 23:04
Tuesday, Feb 01, 2005 at 23:04
IM WITH YOU DAVEO!!!!
DEMANDED??
TOILET??
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Follow Up By: Michael ( Moss Vale NSW) - Wednesday, Feb 02, 2005 at 08:22
Wednesday, Feb 02, 2005 at 08:22
Single and loving it" I recommend that to everyone,, and bring up your kids the same way LOL.
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Follow Up By: Member - Davoe (WA) - Wednesday, Feb 02, 2005 at 09:43
Wednesday, Feb 02, 2005 at 09:43
Michael: Wherever they may be!
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Follow Up By: rolande- Wednesday, Feb 02, 2005 at 19:08
Wednesday, Feb 02, 2005 at 19:08
She demands
toilet and shower, I demand ............ other things, works for me!
Rolande
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Follow Up By: Member - Davoe (WA) - Wednesday, Feb 02, 2005 at 19:10
Wednesday, Feb 02, 2005 at 19:10
tea but the difference is she actually gets the dunny and shower.................
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Follow Up By: rolande- Wednesday, Feb 02, 2005 at 19:15
Wednesday, Feb 02, 2005 at 19:15
Everything has a price!
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Reply By: Bonz (Vic) - Tuesday, Feb 01, 2005 at 19:30
Tuesday, Feb 01, 2005 at 19:30
rolande, I reckon the $25 shower units that pickup from a warm bucket of water, and are sold at Jaycar of
all places (probly KMart too) are the best thing for showering, just sling them into the cig lighter plug, switch them on and shazam!! When you are soaping up the Minister, just drop the head back into the bucket and the water silently circulates, then whip it out and wash off the soap.
If it was me I would spend more time soaping than rinsing....but thats just me.
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Follow Up By: rolande- Tuesday, Feb 01, 2005 at 20:46
Tuesday, Feb 01, 2005 at 20:46
Yep. That's the one Helton sell as part of the package, I s'pose at that price I can carry a spare if the first one carks itself.
Like the idea of cussons imperial leather though, thanks
"But it's what it says to do in the instructions"
LOL
Rolande
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Follow Up By: Michael ( Moss Vale NSW) - Wednesday, Feb 02, 2005 at 08:46
Wednesday, Feb 02, 2005 at 08:46
Rolande, Those Jaycar showers WILL let you down when you really dont need it to. My one failed and i bought a Whale brand submersible pump from Caravan Acessories,
Sydney. for $76, made in USA and just replaced the pump, the rest is not too bad. It is similar shape and size to the Jaycar pump but the
volume is much better at 15 LPM over the Jaycar one at about 3.5 LPM.
You can also buy a smaller Whale for about $50.00 10 LPM. Should
work well also. I didnt buy a mountable pump because i have two vehicles to use it between. Michael
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Follow Up By: rolande- Wednesday, Feb 02, 2005 at 19:09
Wednesday, Feb 02, 2005 at 19:09
Michael, already have a shurflo in the shed so will use this, but just thought the idea of plug and go worth considering, and a replacement should be available almost anywhere in Australia, thanks for the thought
Rolande
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Reply By: Member - David C (QLD) - Tuesday, Feb 01, 2005 at 20:01
Tuesday, Feb 01, 2005 at 20:01
I have a Glind fitted to my GU 2.8 (now 4.2T) and is mounted to the intercooler rack. The mounting points of the Glind match up perfectly to the parallel bars of the rack. Just used a small self tapping screw at each end. Been on for 2 years and 60,000 km with out any problems. No fowling of the bonnet either.
If you want a pic (which you do no doubt) then have a look at this.....
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Follow Up By: rolande- Tuesday, Feb 01, 2005 at 20:49
Tuesday, Feb 01, 2005 at 20:49
Blow me down.........
I spent an hour yesterday with a pipe the same size looking for mounting spots, didn't even think of there.
Without being too much trouble, how is it plumbed in - heater hoses, etc.
Thanks for the pic
Rolande
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Follow Up By: Member - David C (QLD) - Tuesday, Feb 01, 2005 at 21:37
Tuesday, Feb 01, 2005 at 21:37
The heater hose on the left (next to capped showed outlet) is from the engine and the heater hose on the right is to the top inlet connection on the firewall for the heater matrix (coolant runs from left to right through the heat exchanger). I can't take photos as the engine is no more but the configuration doesn't really change between engines. The pump is fitted underneath driver
seat. Inlet hose is front bullbar. I have drilled holes in the floor pan under the
seat and fitted 2 barbed fittings for the pump.
If you list your email then I could take some more photos and email them (will take me a day or 2). I am running our of room on my website so can't really upload anymore.
Regards
David
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Follow Up By: rolande- Tuesday, Feb 01, 2005 at 21:41
Tuesday, Feb 01, 2005 at 21:41
David,
Thanks, that would be a great help. No need to rush as I have 4 weeks before I plan on installing the heat exchanger. Email is
UHUFORREST at YAHOO dot COM dot AU
Much appreciated
rolande
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Follow Up By: Michael ( Moss Vale NSW) - Wednesday, Feb 02, 2005 at 08:34
Wednesday, Feb 02, 2005 at 08:34
David, why would you mount the pump under the drivers
seat, ? "drill holes in the floor" , there is plenty of room to mount the pump on the front of the radiator support panels if you have no space in the engine bay. I just cant imagine doing that.. Michael
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Follow Up By: Member - David C (QLD) - Wednesday, Feb 02, 2005 at 08:59
Wednesday, Feb 02, 2005 at 08:59
Hi Michael,
I had a pump fail on me when I had the setup in my Pajero. I think it was a combination of water, dust and heat so to prevent it happening again when I bought the patrol I mounted it inside the cabin. The connection through the floor pan looks factory and consists of 2 barbed bulkhead fittings that come out next to the chassis rail.
I have taken a pic pump.jpg to show what I have done.
Regards
David
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Follow Up By: Michael ( Moss Vale NSW) - Wednesday, Feb 02, 2005 at 09:06
Wednesday, Feb 02, 2005 at 09:06
David, I stand corrected, looks good and factory!!!! Michael
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Follow Up By: Patrol22 (Queanbeyan - Wednesday, Feb 02, 2005 at 17:36
Wednesday, Feb 02, 2005 at 17:36
David - sorry if I'm off thread here but do you have any further info on the change to the 4.2T engine ie where did you have it done, how much, did you have to change the gearbox etc. Any info would be appreciated.
Thanks
Pete
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Follow Up By: Member - David C (QLD) - Thursday, Feb 03, 2005 at 20:09
Thursday, Feb 03, 2005 at 20:09
Hi Pete,
I detailed the conversion briefly in post 95084. Do a search on this or TD42T and you will see what is involved. I hope to be doing a more detailed write up on my website over the next couple of weeks.
Regards
David
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Reply By: joeblogs - Tuesday, Feb 01, 2005 at 20:39
Tuesday, Feb 01, 2005 at 20:39
Roland save yourself some money, get a black 25lt drum and in the lid fit a tyre valve minus the inards. At the bottom fit a length of hose to tap at bottom fit a shower rose at other end. Leave drum in sun all day and then simply attach air
compressor to valve and turn on. Instant hot water pushed out under pressure. I purchased mine from hillbilly camping a few years ago and would not swap it for the world.
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Follow Up By: rolande- Tuesday, Feb 01, 2005 at 20:55
Tuesday, Feb 01, 2005 at 20:55
We already have a shower bag but the
weather does not always provide the required "energy" to heat, hence the need for an artificial source. Thought the under bonnet units would be the most hassle free option.
Rolande
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Reply By: Shaker - Tuesday, Feb 01, 2005 at 23:07
Tuesday, Feb 01, 2005 at 23:07
Coleman shower unit is hard to beat. SWMBO can shower if we are out getting dirty!
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Follow Up By: rolande- Wednesday, Feb 02, 2005 at 19:14
Wednesday, Feb 02, 2005 at 19:14
Yes have had a look at both the coleman and the primus. Large bulky items to carry, some fittings poor quality, have heard some bad stories about both, both more expensive than a heat exchanger, haven't seen much long-term info in real outback conditions, and I would have to set it up each day, thought a plug-and-go system would suit us better, and it charges the battery while having a shower.
Rolande
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Reply By: flappa - Wednesday, Feb 02, 2005 at 09:34
Wednesday, Feb 02, 2005 at 09:34
Back to the Original question.
Re the Shower Hose. I have seen several that just leave the hose screwed onto the Heat Exchanger (Glind type). They strap it up and leave it in the engine bay. The Helton's have a normal slip on type arrangement dont they (just like all the other hose connectors). If so , thats even easier.
What I use is Air Hose line with connectors. Guaranteed to never leak. Those garden hose fittings (unless buying the expensive brass ones) , all tend to have a leak in them.
Back to the story. If the Helton DOES have the slip on fittings , then put a piece of Air hose on it , clamp it , and then put a opposite fitting onto a Shower Hose (about $40 from Cvan shops , about 2m long). I'm currently using the shower Hose and Rose off one of those $25 DSE showers , and I'm not real happy with the performance. After a bit of heat the hose goes very soft. I would recommend one of the proper Shower hoses.
PS , I also have quick fit air line hoses for the water to the pump. (pump is now installed on the vehicle, Patrol 4.5 Petrol).
The hardest part was finding somewhere to install the HE (you diesel blokes have it easy ;) )
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Follow Up By: Michael ( Moss Vale NSW) - Wednesday, Feb 02, 2005 at 13:22
Wednesday, Feb 02, 2005 at 13:22
So where did you mount the heat exchange??
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Follow Up By: flappa - Wednesday, Feb 02, 2005 at 13:35
Wednesday, Feb 02, 2005 at 13:35
Its mounted on some home made brackets , screwed to the Firewall , just above the ABS lines etc (say , centre of the firewall).
Already had one mishap when one of the brackets
broke , and shorted out a EFI wire. nearly a VERY expensive stuff up.
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Follow Up By: rolande- Wednesday, Feb 02, 2005 at 19:07
Wednesday, Feb 02, 2005 at 19:07
Flappa,
That was one of my original thoughts, run the lines required to the bullbar with air line fittings and leave the exchanger out, that way I can have the exchanger and pump in a separate box where it isn't in the elements for the 355 days of the year it is not being used. Thanks for the info, will look into it further, and yes, the Helton does have slip on fittings. Also like the idea of having the pump inside out of the elements.
Rolande
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