Long Trips and CD's

Submitted: Friday, Feb 11, 2005 at 18:42
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I think I have found the answer to having CD's on a long trip.

A CD stacker is good but they tend to skip a lot and they come in a 6 or 10 disc

Having single disc player is a pain when you are by yourself and having to change a disc while driving is not good.

The other problem is that the disc will get dusty and then not work properly.

The solution,
A radio that plays MP3,CD and has a USB port.
Load up a memory stick, the bigger the memory the more songs, and plug it in. No more disc to move about, no more skip, no moving parts to collect dust. Just music.

I grew up in the era of 8 track, so what is a MP3 and how does it work ?

Wayne
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Reply By: Member - Sparkie (QLD) - Friday, Feb 11, 2005 at 19:01

Friday, Feb 11, 2005 at 19:01
Ask Truckster, he's right into that stuff.

Personally I have a MP3 player in the 4WD and it is good(hard to make the disc skip). 150 to 170 songs per disc meaning a long time between cd changes.MP3 basically takes out the information that we don't need and only takes up space on the disc.Like I said ask Truckster he will be able to fill you in.The hardest part is finding enough songs you like to fill the disc.

Sparkie(IE not Y) ;-)
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Follow Up By: Member - Jeff M (WA) - Friday, Feb 11, 2005 at 20:11

Friday, Feb 11, 2005 at 20:11
Yup I have the same and it works unreal even on rough corrugations.
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Reply By: Muddy 'doe (SA) - Friday, Feb 11, 2005 at 19:13

Friday, Feb 11, 2005 at 19:13
To answer your question....

MP3 is a file format for computer files. It is to music file what .doc is for word processing files.

A computer file might be called music.mp3 and a computer with the appropriate software can open the file and play it as music.

An mp3 player is just a specialised computer with some memory to store the files and some hard coded built in software to open the files and play the music.

The memory in these players comes in two main types - memory chips which are solid state (so have no moving parts) and mini hard disc drives.

The chip type ones can be a bit limited in memory space. Typically they are in 128Mb or 256Mb sizes which I think hold about 4 to 8 hours of high quality music files (the lower the sound quality the more music you can fit in it).

The Disc type ones have MUCH higher capacity, usually measured in Gigabytes and can literally hold thousands of songs in a package no bigger than a pack of smokes. The have moving parts in the hard drive (same as in your PC but smaller) but are much less prone to skip than a CD player.

The small solid state players tend to be really tiny and robust and are good for joggers and sportspeople. The slightly larger hard drive models are great for in car use or air travel. I have heard of DJ's at nightclubs turning up with an entire nights music program ready to go on the player. Just hook in to the house speakers and away you go!

They are a great storage solution for entire music collections and great for long trips. Is best if you have a car audio system that has a jack to accept external input. You can also store data files on some of them so they would make an ideal backup for important files from your laptop stored in the vehicle if it got stolen or damaged.

Hope this helps ya!

Muddy
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Follow Up By: Muddy 'doe (SA) - Friday, Feb 11, 2005 at 19:30

Friday, Feb 11, 2005 at 19:30
Some more info that I remembered after reading Sparkies reply.

mp3 is a "compressed" file format which means that the files themselves take up much less space on storage media than ordinary sound recordings.

The songs on a CD you buy from the shop are in full quality audio but take up HUGE amounts of space. If you copy a whole CD of ordinary music to your computer as .wav files (uncompressed format) it will take up about 600 to 700 megabytes.

If the files are converted to mp3 format then each song usually coes out to about 5 megabytes instead of about 60 or 80 in the uncompressed .wav format.

This means that if you use a CD as a data CD instead of an Audio CD then you can fit many more music files on a single disc. Provided your car audio system can recognise and play the mp3 format then you suddenly have a single CD that can play for hours and hours (even a couple of days!) before you have to hear the same song again!

Toyota have recently released upgraded aduio systems in their new models that can read and play mp3 CD's as standard. Most other manufacturers have already released these or are doing it soon. If you are not buying a new car the any car audio shop will gladly sell you a new head unit that will do the job.

So there you go - you either get an mp3 player as I described in my first post and fill it up with mp3 files from your computer or you burn yourself a CD of you favorite music and stick it in you car CD player that reads mp3.

The fun part is using your computer to make up mp3 files from your existing CD collection and then coming up with compilations to play in the car. ( this is entirely legal as long as you don't redistribute the music files to other people!)

Cheers
Muddy
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Follow Up By: Nick R - Saturday, Feb 12, 2005 at 00:04

Saturday, Feb 12, 2005 at 00:04
Muddy,
Any of them read mp3s from dvd format yet? would be able to get 70 to 80 hours high quality music on 1 disc, brilliant!!!
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Reply By: BenSpoon - Friday, Feb 11, 2005 at 19:19

Friday, Feb 11, 2005 at 19:19
Mp3 basically goes through and removes every second frequency to cut down size, and manipulates the other frequencies to try and cover this clipping. Frequencies outside of general hearing range are also dropped, leaving a slightly worse sounding recording than you started with, but it bugger all disk space.

When you add the ambient noise of a car and the cabin acoustics its hard to tell a good mp3 song from its high quality CD equivalent. Most MP3 encoders (program for getting CD tracks to an mp3 format) have a selectable bitrate (quality of recording) if you drop this quality too low it sounds shocking- almost like listening to tunes underwater.

Theres plenty of mp3 players out now, and you can get FM transmitters that will let you tune your stereo into them without having to buy a new head unit.

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Reply By: jolls - Friday, Feb 11, 2005 at 19:45

Friday, Feb 11, 2005 at 19:45
Mate,

I purchase one for my lux and it works a treat. Doesn't take a memory stick, too many $ for the convenience at the moment; however, I know that the FM transmitter for an IPOD or similar works great. Drove from Sydney to Caboolture and didn't have to change the CD. Not bad, hit the random button and off you go. I have converted almost all my CDs to MP3 and it only takes up 7 discs so far. The casette and CD player are going the way of the 8 track. MP3 will probably have a limited lifespan as well; however, my MPS player, Pioneer, was only $165 through ebay so a great buy and a great improvement over the standard tojo stereo.

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Follow Up By: V8troopie - Saturday, Feb 12, 2005 at 01:15

Saturday, Feb 12, 2005 at 01:15
I thought about going the MP3 way but then the 20GB ipod was on special here in Perth. Got one of these instead, which fixed the music playing dilemma in the car and on my little yacht for once.

I could get 15 DAYS worth of continuous music into this gadget. So far I'm up to about 10 days worth, maybe I'll get more off the net when Australia signs up to the buy music on the net store.

It works a treat, no disks at all to mess about while underway. The music ( or talking book) is loaded onto the computer's hard drive first via the inbuilt CD drive and then a program called 'itunes' does everything, including getting the song/ artist/ album and genre names off the net and adding these to the music file. One can then download the lot into the Ipod and that's it.
The Ipod lets one select which way the songs are played, it has many different equaliser selections, etc. etc.
There is a 12V power accessory which also charges the internal ipod battery and has an output to play via a line in socket on the car stereo. Else, there is the FM transmitter accessory to transfer the music to the stereo.
I like this gadget :-)
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Reply By: Topcat (WA) - Saturday, Feb 12, 2005 at 01:25

Saturday, Feb 12, 2005 at 01:25
Hi Wayne, why don't you go one better. I have an MP3 player that incorporates a computer hard drive which can be of any size. Mine is at present 20 gig which I plug into my existing CD stacker input on my car stero (Clarion) and I can have as many songs as I like. No skip,don't have to worry about dust being fully sealed. Runs off a WinAmp programme. I just convert my music cd's to mp3 format on my computer & download to the harddrive.(USB 2.0 connection). If you shop around you can pick them up on eBay for under $200 depending what size hard drive. Cheers
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Reply By: Member - Sand Man (SA) - Saturday, Feb 12, 2005 at 09:42

Saturday, Feb 12, 2005 at 09:42
My Car Radio only has a CD slot, but it works for me. In fact I don't use the radio much any more becuase my favorite station has just gone 24hr Sports. Well bugger them. I only want to listen to good music and being a baby boomer, that means 50,s, 60's, 70's and thats about it.

I Just record a CD, or selected songs, onto a blank CD and use that.

The audio quality is good enough for my hearing and if I stuff up a tape then I just recreate it. Couldn't think of anything worse than searching through hundreds of tracks for that one Eagles recording.
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Reply By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Saturday, Feb 12, 2005 at 17:48

Saturday, Feb 12, 2005 at 17:48
Gday Wayne,

I've got a Pioneer Radio/CD that plays MP3s. I've tried to make it skip on some of the worst corrugations this country has to offer, but it won't skip!!

I burn a CD with about 8-10 albums and have about 8 of these in a sunvisor storage thing.

Just press a button to flick between albums or flick between tracks.

Cheers
Phil

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Reply By: Kazza055 - Saturday, Feb 12, 2005 at 18:16

Saturday, Feb 12, 2005 at 18:16
If you have a look on eBay under "In Dash DVD" you will find DVD players which include AM/FM and all CD formats including MP3.

If you look carefully thru the specs, you can find DVD/CD MP3 campatible units that will allow you to put all your CD's onto one DVD which will give about 80 - 90 hours of music. Press the random play button and this will be the only disk you will need.

One trick I did is to put all your favorite tracks into one folder on your hard drive and then sort by track number before burning them to disk. This will completely shuffle the play list as all the track 1's followed by all track 2's etc resulting in a good mixed recording.

Bob
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Reply By: Member - Rick (S.A.) - Saturday, Feb 12, 2005 at 19:19

Saturday, Feb 12, 2005 at 19:19
Most CD players, im my experience, jump a bit when on rough roads - sometimes even the blackstuff in my GU's player.

who cares, God invented iPod & iTrip to get over this.

Down load any music from your own CD's or the net, sotre in the iTunes library on your 'puter, and upload them into the iPod. Make your own albums/labels/categories/files etc etc.

Then use the iTrip to send to your FM radio.

portable, too, so I haven't upgraded the standard Nissan unit but got much more flexibility by using this fantastica gadget, the iPod.
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Reply By: Truckster (Vic) - Sunday, Feb 13, 2005 at 00:01

Sunday, Feb 13, 2005 at 00:01
MP3s or WMA are the go..
WMA is smaller in file size than MP3. What they are are explained above..

You really only need a couple of CD's to last you, as you can fit as said depending on file size up to 200 songs per CD..

I only have 3200 MP3's at home now :( :D :P
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Sunday, Feb 13, 2005 at 00:11

Sunday, Feb 13, 2005 at 00:11
PS. I lost the rest on an 80gig HD that died.. Gotta love IBM Deathstar HDD's.
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Follow Up By: Wayne (NSW) - Sunday, Feb 13, 2005 at 07:33

Sunday, Feb 13, 2005 at 07:33
Truckster,

I am getting rid of CD's all together when travelling

With the memory stick, songs are downloaded and then the memory stick plugs into the USB port in the radio.

Wayne
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