Landcruiser IFS Cracks - A Song

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I found a crack in the right hand control arm of my 2 year 11 months old turbo diesel 100 series with IFS...(cry cry). Toyota have said that that "Toyota New Vehicle Warranty applies to original components and accessories provided they are not altered or adjusted in any way." Torsion bar adjusted up a little.....Bing Bing... your out.

This is my attempt at humour regarding my cars crack and it is meant to be humerous and not taken seriously at all because the Toyota warranty department have been just wonderful and "truly sympathetic". I salute them.

To the tune of Slim Dusty's "Red Back on the Toilet Seat."

"THE OFF ROAD KING IS DEAD YA KNOW"

The Off Road King is dead ya know, I said the other night,
The Landcruiser can’t take it now, a very sorry plight.
The IFS is cracking up, and it’s Toyota’s bleat,
You change anything my son and the King will be deceased.

The Landcruiser is softer now than it used to be.
The IFS is cracking up on roads that are bumpy.
To me it was a little lift, an inch or two maybe,
But Toyota said it was enough to void my warranty.

My cruiser is real comfortable, but it’s now got a crack;
I can’t believe the ads I see, I’m sure they’ll have a stack.
The Cruiser softer now and suits the grey haired man,
Who wants to drive around our land with a big caravan.

The Landcruiser is softer now than it used to be.
The IFS is cracking up on roads that are bumpy.
To me it was a little lift, an inch or two maybe,
But Toyota said it was enough to void my warranty.

My next car will be tougher - that’s what it needs to be,
I thought my cruiser would be tougher, than my mates CRV.
I think my friends are laughing while I’ll hide in my hole,
Next time I’ll listen to them all, and buy a new Patrol.

by Andrew (Big Kidz production)
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Reply By: V8Diesel - Saturday, Mar 12, 2005 at 07:35

Saturday, Mar 12, 2005 at 07:35
I feel for you, however I wouldn't be so understanding.

My very strong suggestion is to start a website and e-mail 'register' of failed 100IFS owners and once you get a half a dozen or so together you're on the way.

Step 1: Work out amongst yourselves who is going to be the spokesman. This is pivotal to the success so chooses carefully.

Step 2: Gather concise, factual reports from owners in writing as to what happened as well as some good quality digital images of the cracks. Also collect any correspondence from Toyota and write down any 'diarised' verbal exchanges.

Step 3: Find someone in the group who has good computer presentation skills and create a PDF file of the collated information. This is a format that everyone can open and is hard to edit. Include all the above information, keeping testimonials brief and factual, but be sure to include any instances of loss of steering, braking etc.

Step 4: Send this to Toyota Australia pointing out the problem and expressing concern as to the potentially deadly consequences of this inherent design fault and await a response.

Step 5: If Toyota do not offer to fix all your vehicles free of charge (in writing) and reimburse costs without exeption do this. Organise the 'troops' to make a list of industry professionals who they believe have knowledge of this problem. I'd suggest specialist 4x4 mechanics (country especially), suspension specialists, aftermarket manufacturers of 'fixes' such as strengthening braces etc. Also collect all the examples you can of advertising material promoting the 'off-road' vitutues of the 100IFS marque.

Step 6: Scan the Toyota response and add it to the PDF document. Put on website too.

Step 7: Send a copy to all these authorities at both Federal and State levels
a) ausconsumer@choice.com.au,
b) Motor vehicle licensing / regulatory authorities / ADR's etc
c) Work Safe (occupational health and safety departments

Step 8: await reponses then go back to Toyota asking again for a fix.

Step 9: If no response forthcoming go straight to Channel's 2,7,9,10 & SBS, talk back radio stations, local newspapers, national papers, motoring publications etc

Step 10: Organise a 'family style' protest at the gates of Toyota ensuring that all media organisiations are aware of the time and date.

Step 11: Watch every IFS Landcruiser get recalled and fixed for free regardless of age (as it should!). Watch Toyota's sales and reputation plummet (deservedly so) for continuing to sell and agressively market a clearly faulty and dangerous product.

Mate, it's just not good enough. If I'd spent that kind of dough and the front wheel fell off my new family car, I'd be out for blood. I'm Considering doing exactly the same thing with Nissan right now over the inherent Patrol wobble.

Like the song too;-)





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Follow Up By: Big Kidz (Andrew & Jen) - Saturday, Mar 12, 2005 at 07:40

Saturday, Mar 12, 2005 at 07:40
Wheel hasn't fallen off yet, though I will have to get the crack fixed before I go away to the Kimberley in May for 8 weeks R & R. I am happy to be part of a group to annoy Toyota ....they have the hide of an elephant though!

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Follow Up By: Nudenut - Saturday, Mar 12, 2005 at 10:12

Saturday, Mar 12, 2005 at 10:12
HAsnt this problem been noted on EO before?...if it has. is it a common problem with non modified vehicles also? if so get the facts and get stuck into them via the courts or the licencing body (Consumer affairs)
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Follow Up By: Nudenut - Saturday, Mar 12, 2005 at 10:14

Saturday, Mar 12, 2005 at 10:14
where exactly is the crack?
is it only on turbo's?
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Follow Up By: V8Diesel - Saturday, Mar 12, 2005 at 11:17

Saturday, Mar 12, 2005 at 11:17
Don't want be alarmist, but the fact is the front wheels DO fall off eventually. I have seen pics of one that collapsed the CSR on this forum.

This is not a faulty glove box light or stereo, it is a well known and documented fact that 'catastrophic failure' has occured in the front steering and suspension of a current model ADR compliant vehicle and Toyota Australia should issue a recall immediately. This fault has not resulted due to collision, it has occured in 'normal usage' that these vehicles are built and are famous for, and Toyota Australia's advertising / promotion clearly backs this up.

Cracked front end suspension components, carrying your family and towing a van on public roads - it's really no laughing matter.

Get mad and nail the bastards!
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Follow Up By: Big Kidz (Andrew & Jen) - Saturday, Mar 12, 2005 at 12:45

Saturday, Mar 12, 2005 at 12:45
Well Mr V8 diesel, I think you are being alarmist about this. I would think that if Toyota thought that this was a safety issue they would issue a recall for inspection of the front ends of landcruisers or at least put out a warning that catastrophic failure might occur have a recommended inspection schedule. I imagine that they have a legal department that has looked into this and an engineering department that have assessed this and if they thought that there was a risk to safety they would immediately issue a recall for inspection of the said components.

In all my correspondence with Toyota and at the Dealer, there was no suggestion that the cracking was a safety issue and that I should attend to repair as a priority. If there was a risk then I believe that they are negligent in not saying so and I the assumption of other users is similar to what I have concluded. I guess that if they think there is a significant risk they will issue a warning and tell me to replace the part as a priority.

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Follow Up By: V8Diesel - Saturday, Mar 12, 2005 at 16:43

Saturday, Mar 12, 2005 at 16:43
Andrew, my honest apologies if I've got your back up, I never intended to start a slinging match, I'm on your side remember. However I think this is a serious safety issue and I stand by my views. It's your money and safety, but Toyota should FIX this for free, warranty or no warranty.

Go to the 'search' function, select 'both' and type in 'IFS' for just a quick sample of the scope of the problem. The lack of a recall to remedy this issue is criminal negligence from Toyota Australia IMHO, simple as that.

It is the front suspension cracking apart for f&*#@s sake!

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Follow Up By: Big Kidz (Andrew & Jen) - Saturday, Mar 12, 2005 at 16:55

Saturday, Mar 12, 2005 at 16:55
Mate - you didn't upset me really and I know you are on my side. I was really having a sarcastic dig at Toyota for letting this sort of stuff go on with no mention or comment about safety issues as I guess if they say there are safety concerns then they would have to recall them and strengthen them. I agree with you really that there probably are safety ramifications when you think about it - one day someone will hit a pothole in the road on a curve and off will fall a wheel and goodness knows where they will end up. And do you think Toyota will say that they didn't see it coming. I doubt that they would be able to defend their inaction.

Sorry my sarcasm about Toyota's response looks like I am having a go at you but I am narked off about their lack of advice about the issue. I know that you and many other of their customers are on my side.

Cheers mate

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Follow Up By: snailbate - Saturday, Mar 12, 2005 at 18:42

Saturday, Mar 12, 2005 at 18:42
hi all
I have read that if you take toyota of road you lose your warnty
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Follow Up By: Bonz (Vic) - Saturday, Mar 12, 2005 at 19:07

Saturday, Mar 12, 2005 at 19:07
Andrew, lucky you found this before you were bitten by a snake and had to abuse your Toyota across the harshest of lands to get you to safety, indeed, in anything else you would have been stuffed.

Of course driving a Toyota under the influence of snake venom voids the warranty too.

And you know you have probably been giving that Toyota hell on the streets and lanes of urban Melbourne, its a jingle out there and we should all be aware of that.
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Follow Up By: Member - iMusty(VIC) - Sunday, Mar 13, 2005 at 11:50

Sunday, Mar 13, 2005 at 11:50
Just be carefull that YOU don't get nailed along the way for knowingly driving the thing whilst the crack is there.

(YOU) may be held accountable.

There are some odd laws and (worse) lawers who take advantage of those laws

They get BIG bucks and ... Toyota has big bucks.

I hope it works out for you.

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Follow Up By: Member - Willie , Epping .Syd. - Tuesday, Mar 15, 2005 at 19:32

Tuesday, Mar 15, 2005 at 19:32
Hi Andrew ,

I was at a big aftermarket place the other day and I was checking out under my car where I have had a reinforcing plate put on the control arms .

It was explained to me that Toyota would in fact warrant cracks if no heavy torsion bars had been fitted or if they had not been wound up . He said the best advice he could give people who did not fit the reinforced plate was if they found a crack they sould wind the torsion bars back down to standard or remove any heavy duty torsion bars - then go and speak top Toyota who would happily carry out the warranty repairs .

Luck has it , that being a nervous type I had already fitted the reinforcing plates which he said were bullet proof , but it was an interesting conversation .
There is definitely a weakness there as I am sure Toyota will acknowledge by changing the design in their new model .

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Reply By: Bonz (Vic) - Saturday, Mar 12, 2005 at 07:45

Saturday, Mar 12, 2005 at 07:45
Sorry to hear Andrew, but at least humour helps out in the end. Love the line about the CRV. Chin up mate, at least you've got the best diesel motor ever put in a 4WD.
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Reply By: Lone Wolf - Saturday, Mar 12, 2005 at 08:53

Saturday, Mar 12, 2005 at 08:53
That, that is a very good ditty!

If you don't get the crack fixed before the Kimberly trip, you could always go to say........ Tamworth.

I've seen piccies of you, in a poncho & mexican hat. You would make an excellent busker!!

You would walk down the street, playing your guitar, singing, and the crowd would be following your every move, like the pied piper.

You would not only win the Golden Guitar award, and the key to the city, but would also be presented with a NEW TOYOTA!!

Now, you could take the cracked arm off your own vehicle and ..........

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Follow Up By: Big Kidz (Andrew & Jen) - Saturday, Mar 12, 2005 at 12:46

Saturday, Mar 12, 2005 at 12:46
............but I can't sing......

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Follow Up By: hl - Saturday, Mar 12, 2005 at 16:42

Saturday, Mar 12, 2005 at 16:42
Hi,

Get John Laws to sing it!

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Follow Up By: Bonz (Vic) - Saturday, Mar 12, 2005 at 19:10

Saturday, Mar 12, 2005 at 19:10
But you can Dance my old mate! No-one will notice your singing.
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Reply By: Member - Brian (Gold Coast) - Saturday, Mar 12, 2005 at 09:36

Saturday, Mar 12, 2005 at 09:36
Mate.... I feel for you, and truly LOVE the ditty you wrote!

If you can get something organised with others to have a go at Toyota, then go for it! Keep us posted with the going on through all this, and best of luck!!!
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Follow Up By: Big Kidz (Andrew & Jen) - Saturday, Mar 12, 2005 at 12:49

Saturday, Mar 12, 2005 at 12:49
It would be really nice to hear of cruisers that crack that have not been modified. I am sure that they must fatigue after a reasonable period and some must go. We have done the Cape but not a hell of a lot of corrugated roads. Imagine if it had a winch up front with all that extra weight!
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Reply By: Member - Bradley- Saturday, Mar 12, 2005 at 10:25

Saturday, Mar 12, 2005 at 10:25
mate there is nothing wrong with toyotas design of their ifs front end, you put a soft torsion bar in (standard for all toyos) set the ride height real low (so you cant get over the maccas speedhumps) then when the vehicle loads up on a bump, the front arm hits the bumpstop which takes the strain. OH WHAT A FEELING. Oh and dont bother fitting a downstop to limit travel in that direction, its not like its going off road or anything..

I really feel for all owners of these vehicles as it is just poor engineering, and even worse poorer backup from toyo. Best of luck with tackling them, however you go about it.

Some correspondance with the fedral office of road safety would be in order, as failure of this components results in an uncontrolable vehicle, major safety issue.
Look at hyundai, production robot botched some welds on front ends resulting in a few front wheel collapses, Big recall ordered.

But yes get all the factual info together and get it out there anyway possible - letters to the editor in country papers like weekly times etc should help, wouldnt bother with 'motoring writers' as they are in the pocket of the majors and wont jepardise thier cushy junket trips etc.

best of luck mate
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Reply By: Robsoff - Saturday, Mar 12, 2005 at 10:35

Saturday, Mar 12, 2005 at 10:35
There is a register on the 100scool website in yahoo groups, i think there is 3-4 at present.

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Reply By: Gajm (VIC) - Saturday, Mar 12, 2005 at 11:49

Saturday, Mar 12, 2005 at 11:49
I agree with V8 Andrew, it's just not good enough. I'd be mightly pi55ed if I'd spent that type of money and now my family was at risk. Get into them until you are satisfied.
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Follow Up By: cokeaddict - Saturday, Mar 12, 2005 at 14:07

Saturday, Mar 12, 2005 at 14:07
I agree with V8 too.
Seems that the further down the track we go (no pun intended) the more the manufactures get away with. I read a story in Australian 4WD a couple of months ago where the front end fell out of a toyota, he had a picture in the mag too. He was outback somehwre when it happened. So i hate to think how much he had to fork out to get back on the road. But my point is this, they all seem to take their time when it comes to admitting a fault of any kind in their vehicles. Last thing they want is the word to get out that their pride of their fleet has faults, as we all know the oposition uses it to persuade buyers to steer clear of oposition vehilces. They all do it.

Would be nice to organise a way to hammer them so they fix the problem without argument. Hard to do though. That is the only reason why i will never buy a NEW vehicle again. Been burnt a few times in the past. So now i just look out for a 1 owner when i buy. Its the best way.

This is NOT a hammering for toyota, nissan can be just as bad.
Hope you sort it out soon. remember the longer u leave the crack there, the more it will travel along the chassis. So eitherw ay, get it fixed soon.

Cheers Ange
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Reply By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Saturday, Mar 12, 2005 at 13:55

Saturday, Mar 12, 2005 at 13:55
G'day Andrew,

I admire your ability to find a humorous side of this problem you have.

All fun-jibes aside, any one of us who spend $50K to $80K of a piece of equipment have a perfect right to expect it to perform the task for which it was intended AND FOR WHICH IT HAS BEEN GLORIOUSLY ADVERTISED. They show these cruisers doing all sorts of fantastic gymnastics (I love that ad where the bloke gets bitten by the snake and halucinates (spelling??) all the way to the hospital).....

Nissan are no better in this department, same as Mitsubishi with their wanker ad's done by that stupid bloody astronaut.

Pesty's 60 series is as tough as old boots and NISSYOTA have really gone down the wrong road with their thinking IMHO.

Good luck with your "negotiations". BTW; I reckon I read somewhere that one of the aftermarket companies (ARB or someone) is making a "fix" for the 100 series' front end.

Cheers mate

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Follow Up By: Big Kidz (Andrew & Jen) - Saturday, Mar 12, 2005 at 16:56

Saturday, Mar 12, 2005 at 16:56
I have heard about the fix for the front end and will look into it further.

Not at MS I see. Have a good long weekend.

Andrew
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Follow Up By: Member - Captain (WA) - Saturday, Mar 12, 2005 at 17:50

Saturday, Mar 12, 2005 at 17:50
Hi Andrew,

Your ditty certainly gave me a good ol chuckle, but your problem is no laughing matter. I gotta agree with all that it simply isn't good enough that Toyota are wiping their hands of it.

I have heard (3rd hand) of a stock vehicle up north of WA that had the cracks after 17,000kms of corrugated gravel roads, no "4WDing" or any accessories except an alloy bullbar I believe. Just lots of corrugated gravel roads at the posted speed limit. Have not heard of the outcome, but shows its not just modified vehicles.

What suprises me is that the ones I have read about are not the early IFS 100 series, only the ones after the V8 was introduced. Maybe I am wrong about that and it has affected the earlier ones, but I wonder if there was any changes done to the A arm and chassis when the V8 was introduced?

I too have heard about the ARB fix, I believe it involves drilling into the A arm and bolting supporting plates. But I always thought drilling into a structural suspension component required an engineers certificate. I would have thought welding plates and then stress relieveing would be a better way, as bolt holes create a place for stress cracks to radiate from. But I'm sure the appropriate engineers have looked into it. Either way, one reason I reckon Toyota are avoiding it is that they haven't got a solution for it!

When I replaced my 80 series, it basically came down to the IFS of the cruiser vs the chequered past of the 3.0TD of the Nissan for me. Its history now I went Nissan, and its been very good to me and I reckon I made the right choice at the time. But if only one could buy a 4WD with the Nissan suspension and drivetrain, but Toyota 4.2TD, now THAT would be a vehicle I would buy tomorrow!!!

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Follow Up By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Saturday, Mar 12, 2005 at 21:55

Saturday, Mar 12, 2005 at 21:55
Andrew,

No long weekend for us crow-eaters I'm sorry to say. However, a few die-hards have made the effort from this side of the border although in Al's case he only had to drive 50 meters or so.

Cya mate

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Follow Up By: Utemad - Sunday, Mar 13, 2005 at 21:31

Sunday, Mar 13, 2005 at 21:31
"What suprises me is that the ones I have read about are not the early IFS 100 series, only the ones after the V8 was introduced. Maybe I am wrong about that and it has affected the earlier ones, but I wonder if there was any changes done to the A arm and chassis when the V8 was introduced?"

Wasn't the IFS introduced along with the V8? There is a solid axle GXL 6 cylinder petrol 100 Series in my 4x4 club.

Although wasn't the Lexus version IFS and V8 before the Cruiser? I haven't heard about older ones of these cracking? If this is the case is it the same IFS?
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Follow Up By: Member - Captain (WA) - Sunday, Mar 13, 2005 at 23:47

Sunday, Mar 13, 2005 at 23:47
Hi Utemad,

When the first 100 series came out, certain models had IFS while others were live axle. From memory, the GXV and Sahara was IFS right from the start, (same as the Lexus) while the GXL 4.5 and GXL/standard diesel were live axle. But when the turbo diesel was introduced (V8 at the same time???), IFS was the only front end available. The normally aspirated diesel (standard and GXL) are the last remaining live axle 100 series.

I have only heard of later model IFS suffering cracks, but I may very well be wrong. Was wondering if anyone has any facts on which models are suffering the cracks ie. only turbo diesel IFS???

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Follow Up By: Big Kidz (Andrew & Jen) - Monday, Mar 14, 2005 at 08:03

Monday, Mar 14, 2005 at 08:03
Hi Captain

The 100 series Turbo-diesels went to IFS and the petrol models stayed with live axle until the V8 came out and they changed as well. Not sure when the T/D in the 100series was released but it came out with the IFS (I'm guessing) probably late 2000. Mine is a September 2001 build and purchased in Feb 2002.

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Follow Up By: Des Lexic - Monday, Mar 14, 2005 at 16:33

Monday, Mar 14, 2005 at 16:33
I might have had only 50 metres to go but the 50 series did a superb effort.
Had a great time. Did the Border Track (most of it anyway) from Murtho to Pinnaroo and the further south we went, the better it got.
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Reply By: Member - muzzgit - Saturday, Mar 12, 2005 at 19:24

Saturday, Mar 12, 2005 at 19:24
AMEN.
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Reply By: Nudenut - Sunday, Mar 13, 2005 at 12:04

Sunday, Mar 13, 2005 at 12:04
Andrew, where exactly should I be looking to see the crack if present?
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Follow Up By: Big Kidz (Andrew & Jen) - Sunday, Mar 13, 2005 at 17:23

Sunday, Mar 13, 2005 at 17:23
Hi Nudie

Have changed my Rig pic to show you where the crack is present. I crawled in behind drivers side front wheel and this shot is looking forward. You can't see the crack on the photo but it is there!!

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Follow Up By: Nudenut - Monday, Mar 14, 2005 at 07:38

Monday, Mar 14, 2005 at 07:38
Thanks Andrew....when it the sun rises I'll have a look
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Reply By: Member - Ed. C.- Sunday, Mar 13, 2005 at 13:08

Sunday, Mar 13, 2005 at 13:08
Hmmmm......
Apologies in advance for being a pedant, but Im surprised that no-one has (yet) picked up on the mistake in the original post....

The song "The Redback on the Toilet Seat" was recorded by a fella called
Slim Newton... (NOT Slim Dusty).......
And yes, I'm old enough to remember when it was released (March 1972)...

Just thought ya'all would like to know.....

BTW, clever ditty.....

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Follow Up By: Big Kidz (Andrew & Jen) - Sunday, Mar 13, 2005 at 17:28

Sunday, Mar 13, 2005 at 17:28
Slim Newton eh?? Gee I am sorry to the other Slim. I wouldn't mind being Slim myself.

I don't reckon Google is too much of a friend as I typed in the search area of google "Slim Dusty Red Back on the toilet seat" and the first entry I copied the words and changed em around etc. Silly google. Slim Newton is mentioned further down the page!!

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Follow Up By: Member - Ed. C.- Monday, Mar 14, 2005 at 00:37

Monday, Mar 14, 2005 at 00:37
Yeah, well, if you'd'a just left out the "Slim Dusty" bit....;-))

Actually... just had another look myself, & there is indeed an entry apparently attributing the song to Slim Dusty... a shame really, as I would see that as an affront to both of the gentlemen concerned....

Right underneath that one, is a brief biography on Slim Newton.. worth a squiz if you're interested....
Put "Slim Newton" into the search area, & it brings up quite a few pages....

Catch ya later... Ed. C.
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Reply By: Member - Crazie (VIC) - Sunday, Mar 13, 2005 at 21:48

Sunday, Mar 13, 2005 at 21:48
Hi Andrew

Not sure if this helps, i know ARB sell brackets for the front of ISF for about $27, not sure if it is for the same place.
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Follow Up By: Big Kidz (Andrew & Jen) - Monday, Mar 14, 2005 at 08:04

Monday, Mar 14, 2005 at 08:04
Thanks mate - will give em a call and follow it up.
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Reply By: Member - Wim (Qld) - Monday, Mar 14, 2005 at 11:15

Monday, Mar 14, 2005 at 11:15
Andrew.

ARB recently carry out tests (to destruction) on 100ISF setups, standard, Torsion bar adjusted up & ARB plate added. Toyota rep was present at tests.
I understnd. tests proved even standard setup has problems.

Problem has been greatly improved but not eliminated with ARB setup.

I watch with interest, to see what Toyota eventually do.

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Reply By: snailbate - Monday, Mar 14, 2005 at 20:05

Monday, Mar 14, 2005 at 20:05
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Thats is how Toyota treat there customers go off road and you do your warinty
Sorry for you just weld it up and sell by a nisson or other 4wd
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Reply By: GO_OFFROAD - Tuesday, Mar 15, 2005 at 07:06

Tuesday, Mar 15, 2005 at 07:06
The problem comes from the vehicle hitting the bump stops, and the leverage point is the bush behind the torsion bar. This cracks the weld, until it tears to the torsion bar hole.

The ARB bracket seems to be a suspension collapsing support, but doesnt stop the cracking, as there is to much flex between the torsion bar bolt, and the underside mounting bolt on the bend.

We remove the arms, weld them inside, weld the brackets on with a stitch weld, and plug weld the bolt holes.

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Follow Up By: Big Kidz (Andrew & Jen) - Tuesday, Mar 15, 2005 at 07:29

Tuesday, Mar 15, 2005 at 07:29
That implies to me that fitting a stiffer torsion bar should reduce the chance of it cracking as it should hit the bump stops less often. Also I reckon that if you adjust the ride height up on the standard suspension then you should lessen the force that it hits the bump stops and reduce the chance that it will break.

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Follow Up By: GO_OFFROAD - Tuesday, Mar 15, 2005 at 18:55

Tuesday, Mar 15, 2005 at 18:55
out of the 9 I know of, 8 had standard torsion bars, and one didnt, adjusting the standard torsion bars higher just gives the A arm more run up before he is introduced to Mr bumpstop.
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