F250 7.3 Turbo Dielsel Crew Cab

Submitted: Monday, Mar 28, 2005 at 07:14
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Hi Everyone,

I have been a long time reader of this great site but today i am a first time poster.

I currently have a 2 year old Cruiser Sahara V8 which has performed well but unfortunetly is only rated to 3500Kgs towing capacity. I am in the process of determining which vehicle to upgrade to that can tow upto 4500Kgs and it appears from all my research theres only one ( with a factory backed warranty) in Australia - The F250.

I have searched this site and forums and read every post ( i think ) on the topic of F250 and found the information very useful. However, can some one provide some other links to sites / clubs etc that might be able to provide me with more information ?.

I especially would like to speak with owners who have used them or are currently using them.

cheers
Ric
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Reply By: Willem - Monday, Mar 28, 2005 at 07:28

Monday, Mar 28, 2005 at 07:28
Do a Google mate. There are 367,000 sites according to them. Just type in Ford F250. You never know, you might just find the right one.
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Follow Up By: F233 - Monday, Mar 28, 2005 at 11:42

Monday, Mar 28, 2005 at 11:42
Thanks Willem.
I have "googled" before and found the information to be mostly over seas based, which in itself is good but i would like more information from local sources on the F250.
Thanks and cheers
Ric
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Follow Up By: MrBitchi - Tuesday, Mar 29, 2005 at 12:26

Tuesday, Mar 29, 2005 at 12:26
Type in Google "Ford F250 site:.au" (without the quotes)

This will limit the search to Australian sites. 5,240 at last count.

Cheers, John.
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Follow Up By: F233 - Tuesday, Mar 29, 2005 at 18:22

Tuesday, Mar 29, 2005 at 18:22
Thanks John

cheers
Ric
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Reply By: NedKelly - Monday, Mar 28, 2005 at 09:09

Monday, Mar 28, 2005 at 09:09
Really, if you're towing that much wouldn't you be better off with some sort of light truck?
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Follow Up By: F233 - Monday, Mar 28, 2005 at 11:43

Monday, Mar 28, 2005 at 11:43
Hi NedKelly,
yes your possibly right - others have suggested this too but i have not received any suggestions for make and model. Do you have some suggestions ?

cheers
Ric
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Reply By: Member - toohey - Monday, Mar 28, 2005 at 09:49

Monday, Mar 28, 2005 at 09:49
giday f233
my brother in-law has one,what a great truck he tows a small excavator around,trailer&plant about 4.3t,not bad on fuel either.
regards toohey
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Follow Up By: F233 - Monday, Mar 28, 2005 at 11:44

Monday, Mar 28, 2005 at 11:44
G'Day Toohey,
Thanks for the input. Can i ask for more info re how long he has had it and and whether or not he has had any problems ?

cheers
Ric
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Follow Up By: Davoe - Tuesday, Mar 29, 2005 at 08:10

Tuesday, Mar 29, 2005 at 08:10
The f 350 at work had done about 20k when a bracket broke allowing a clutch line to get to close to the turbo and melt so it was a tow job
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Reply By: V8Diesel - Monday, Mar 28, 2005 at 10:17

Monday, Mar 28, 2005 at 10:17
The F250 7.3 is a brilliant vehicle for towing - nothing better as an all rounder. They're a pleasure to drive, comfortable, astonishingly economical and have very well credentialed mechanicals with the International Navistar engine, Alison knock-off auto, Dana's etc. Go the extended 6 year warranty and any problems are Ford's.

Check out my mates website here link text which will show you the sort of load the F250 can tow with ease.
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Follow Up By: F233 - Monday, Mar 28, 2005 at 11:46

Monday, Mar 28, 2005 at 11:46
Thanks heaps V8Diesel,

the link was greatly appreciated and congratulate your mate on his outstanding boat. Great advice re the extended 6 year warranty too.

cheers
Ric
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Reply By: Member - toohey - Monday, Mar 28, 2005 at 14:37

Monday, Mar 28, 2005 at 14:37
f233
he's had it for 2yrs,no prblems at all 60000 on the clock,on a trip to birdsville races from sydney via bourke inaminca etc. av.14lt per 100ks.
regards toohey
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Follow Up By: F233 - Monday, Mar 28, 2005 at 14:39

Monday, Mar 28, 2005 at 14:39
Thanks Toohey

greatly appreciated.

cheers
Ric
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Reply By: Utemad - Monday, Mar 28, 2005 at 15:38

Monday, Mar 28, 2005 at 15:38
You have probably read my previous replies about our F-250s. We have 2 of the model you are after.

As far as your towing capacity goes they are rated to 4500kg however you can only get a 3500kg towbar so any higher than that is 5th wheel territory AFAIK.

They are very comfortable and can carry or tow anything around while still overtaking on the highway. Fuel consumption is down around 10-11L/100km on the hway empty but up around 25L around town.
Ours have been woeful as far as reliability is concerned. Too many small things to list. The wheel alignment is out by miles whenever it is checked. Seems to require replacement parts to correct every time. Last time one was off the road for a week while awaiting said parts. When I spoke to a private truck wheel alignment shop they said they do them constantly and all have the same issue. So those that have said they haven't had this problem I would suggest you get it checked and not by Ford.

If it wasn't for the reliabilty issues they would be fantastic.
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Follow Up By: F233 - Monday, Mar 28, 2005 at 16:24

Monday, Mar 28, 2005 at 16:24
Hi Utemad,

thanks for the info and sorry to hear about the problems. I am familiar with the wheel alignment issue - in fact Overlander magazine noted this in Feb this year in a review they did of the F250. They also mention that ARB ( i think ) has a fix for this problem.

The towing capacity as provided to me by Ford Australia is that the F250 has a 4500Kg towing hitch and this is legal provided that the supplied load levelling kit is used. I have verified this with ARB also.

Does ford warranty your alignment issues ?

What other sorts of problems have you encountered and were they rectified by Ford ?

cheers
Ric
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Follow Up By: Utemad - Monday, Mar 28, 2005 at 17:07

Monday, Mar 28, 2005 at 17:07
Here are the problems we have had.

Algae in fuel. Not Fords problem however the F250s have these little sock like filters in the tank which get covered in the algae and therefore you need to drop the tank to clean them.
The older one (late 2003 model) had fuel pump problems. Low pressure???. We paid for the replacement pump and their labour but I think it was since repaid under warranty after much arguing and no probs since.

Wheel alignment issues. Still having them as of last month (common problem).

Brake switches failed on both of them. So one stuck in Park and the other stuck out of Park.

Fuel cap unable to be unlocked. Replaced under warranty.

Stock tyres dangerous in the wet. I have had one change lanes on me and another guy has spun one on the hway. Since changed at our expense.

Rear shackles on both faulty. Changed under warranty (common problem).

We had a gearbox issue but can't remember what the problem or remedy was. There have been other issues too but I can't remember them at present.

Missing trim parts and steering wheel incorrectly aligned when we picked one up from new. Still missing some trim parts 13 months later.

The fuel pump and the steering have been the major problems and the trucks have been off the road for up to a week at a time because if them.

If you want off road tyres then you need to replace the rims as you cannot get a tyre (in a decent offroad pattern) to suit the 16x7 with a suitable load rating (as of 8 months ago).

However our biggest problem has been the dealer. Every time there is a problem it raises a hugebleepfight between us. They deny they have heard of it yet we research the problem only to discover numerous examples of it. For instance they denied of ever hearing about the shackle problem yet there was an official Ford TSB on the problem saying they should be replaced. There was even another customer in the service lounge I spoke to that had his F250 in having his shackles replaced as we were speaking!!! After telling this to the service manager he said "oh yeah we did actually have to replace the shackles on all the ambulances" Even then he made me take him out to the ute and point out the problem.

These utes get used in remote work sites and get a good workout however they seem to be off the road a lot more than the other contractors LandCruisers are.

It is really annoying when these $75k utes have so many issues.

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Follow Up By: Utemad - Monday, Mar 28, 2005 at 18:43

Monday, Mar 28, 2005 at 18:43
Sorry forgot to say that Ford has warranted all the wheel alignment problems except for two tyres we stuffed from it. However as said it has always been an absolute time consumingbleepfight.
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Reply By: F233 - Monday, Mar 28, 2005 at 17:32

Monday, Mar 28, 2005 at 17:32
Thanks Utemad and sorry to hear of all the problems.

I really appreciate the heads up with the issues your having as i will be using these to negotiate with any dealer wanting to sell me one.

cheers
Ric
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Follow Up By: Utemad - Monday, Mar 28, 2005 at 18:37

Monday, Mar 28, 2005 at 18:37
Good luck with it.

Reliability issues aside they are a great truck. People still buy LandRovers don't they? (ducks for cover).

A little sparse inside compared to your Sahara though.
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Reply By: F233 - Monday, Mar 28, 2005 at 18:57

Monday, Mar 28, 2005 at 18:57
Hey Utemad, thanks again.

Yes your right about being sparse compared to my sahara :-)

Thats exactly one of the issues i am dealing with - i am trying to reconcile the cost of the F250 compared to my Sahara given their the same price ( + or - 1000.00 ). The dilema is what you get inside the cruiser compared to the F250 :-( - on this basis the F250 should cost $50K not $77K

I guess the price differential is the gross margin for Ford !

thanks again for the data its helped me heaps.

cheers
Ric
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Reply By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Monday, Mar 28, 2005 at 20:06

Monday, Mar 28, 2005 at 20:06
Only know one person with an F250, and he's had the torque converter replaced 3 times.
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Follow Up By: F233 - Monday, Mar 28, 2005 at 20:08

Monday, Mar 28, 2005 at 20:08
Thanks for the info Phil.

Cheers
Ric
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Reply By: Utemad - Monday, Mar 28, 2005 at 22:36

Monday, Mar 28, 2005 at 22:36
I know a guy that blew his gearbox (that is what he told me) in his F250. Although he admitted he was towing a trail bike trailer (big one with three bikes and gear) through soft sand at Double Island Point with 50psi in his tyres (normal road pressure for an F250).

Not really the utes fault I wouldn't think however I would have thought it would overheat first. Perhaps he boiled the ATF?
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Follow Up By: Utemad - Monday, Mar 28, 2005 at 22:39

Monday, Mar 28, 2005 at 22:39
If you look up the USA websites about 'product reviews' it would seem that the auto gearbox is the weakest link in the system. I forgot to add that before. Plenty of people complaining about the boxes over there.
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Reply By: tgh - Tuesday, Mar 29, 2005 at 09:52

Tuesday, Mar 29, 2005 at 09:52
Of course you don't get a "real" Ford when you buy an F250 down under.

It's a Brazilian Cheapie with all sorts of cost cutting downgrades.. and sold here at a premium price with little backup.
Ford don't deliver the kind of warranty down under that they are forced to honour in the US

Ford may have a cornered market but there are a lot of dark mutterers out there among F250 owners... lets hope Daimler Chrysler are listening.

There is no easy solution to the big puller market .

I have a 2000 Ram , US import . lovely truck and beautifully made, however the tranny blew at 40k of hard work.
It's now modified ,only done 130k so far,but going strong

It pulls 4000kg ( 5th wheeler) @17l/100k @ 100>120k .. and does it easily.

But there is a huge downside to this truck ..if it stops .. pray..
There is little support.. you are on your own.
Mopar in LA flew me out a flasher unit in 2 days for a comparable cost to a common electronic flasher for a tojo..

What I will do when/ if the electronics die is sobering.

I have heard endless stories about frau..er dsorry .. Fords.. sitting in service yards for weeks waiting for parts.. so the warranty is no passport to getting back on the road quickly.

I don't need the Ram everyday , and I can mostly fix it myself.. so everytime I listen to that lovely Cummins purring along as another V8 Chaffcutter rumbles behind in the dust .. I allow myself a little grin

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Follow Up By: F233 - Tuesday, Mar 29, 2005 at 10:09

Tuesday, Mar 29, 2005 at 10:09
Thanks TGH,

i agree re the fords not being the same quality as the US supplied models. I lived there for nearly 12 years and the Fords over there are hard to go past. I also dont think its any secret that Ford Australia re-introduced the F Series because they saw a burgeoning import trade going on around them. One in particular here in Victoria in nearly across the road and asking huge money for 3+ yo trucks.
ck here to see them

Thanks for the info.
cheers
Ric

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Follow Up By: F233 - Tuesday, Mar 29, 2005 at 10:09

Tuesday, Mar 29, 2005 at 10:09
Thanks TGH,

i agree re the fords not being the same quality as the US supplied models. I lived there for nearly 12 years and the Fords over there are hard to go past. I also dont think its any secret that Ford Australia re-introduced the F Series because they saw a burgeoning import trade going on around them. One in particular here in Victoria in nearly across the road and asking huge money for 3+ yo trucks.

Thanks for the info.
cheers
Ric

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Reply By: AdamC - Thursday, Mar 31, 2005 at 14:52

Thursday, Mar 31, 2005 at 14:52
All good stuff.

Ford truck World and the dieselaman sites are excellent for info on the 250 (and 150s for that matter). Great photos and mods!!!! (http://www.f150world.com/)

I have had a 02 250 xlt PSD crew cab for nearly three years.
The alignment issue is easily fixed with a "Bucket kit" for more toe adjustment, a truck alignment place in dandenong had the kit in stock and I had it changed at Fords expense in week two.

One too watch!!!! Cam position sensors as was the case with commodores fail and when they do you go nowhere. Ford charge about $400 dollars for the piece of junk. A temp fix if you are stuck, try cooling the sensor and it will often start. In the staes they carry spares in the glove box.

Auto hubs are vaccume operated and sometimes do not remain engaged over time, I would reccomend manually locking them on long trips!

Fuel economy with the 7.3 litre is about 14l per 100. Recent trip in the Alps gave equivelant economy to the Nissans and Cruisers with us. The ride on rough tracks is a lot better than the average Tojo or Nissan.

I agree with the above mentioned tyre issue, the Goodyears leave a little to be desired.

Overall the truck is extremely capable and a lot of fun off road. FYI about 3.2 tonne of it takes a bit of getting out when it gets stuck!

Please send me any info you have related to TSBs faults mods etc.

Thanks
Adam
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Follow Up By: F233 - Thursday, Mar 31, 2005 at 20:31

Thursday, Mar 31, 2005 at 20:31
Thanks Adam,

i spent today test driving one - it was all good too. The 05 model has changed slightly from the 04 model interior wise - dash etc - only minor but better.

Thanks for the info and heads on the wheel alignment and cam sensor issue - appreciated.

I would like to add the dual wheels to the rear but not sure where to try - any ideas ?

By the way what are you driving now ?

cheers
Ric
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Follow Up By: Member - Matt Mu (Perth-WA) - Monday, Apr 04, 2005 at 12:01

Monday, Apr 04, 2005 at 12:01
F233, the dual wheels on the rear is an F350 as standard.

Im pretty sure it increases the load and tow capacity etc but you will have to google it. I was researching a large 4x4 for work and LOVED the F350.

Matt.
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Reply By: AdamC - Friday, Apr 01, 2005 at 07:33

Friday, Apr 01, 2005 at 07:33
Hi Ric,

I still have the effie! Just got back from an easter trip to "the Poplars" and Mt Pinnabar area, thats where my auto hubs let go :-( temporary problem though. I have an STR Navara TDI CC as well for my wife.

FYI I have done some 60,000 Ks and the brake linings are still in great shape.

Oil - Ford charge some $13 a litre for Cheap Castrol RX oil (they used to reccomend Mobil Delvac which wasnt to bad but that changed) I usebleeps Titan Ultralube now and have had no rough idle or noticeable prem breakdown within the 7.5K service interval. (keep in mind 13 litres each change) Titan has a noticeable odour for the first few Ks but no major issue.

Make sure the Radiator is properly treated and maintained with the appropriate sacrificial chemicals to reduce effects of cavitation.

The only truck with duels that I have seen are imports and not from Ford Aust.
The Aussie trucks are different from the US in that we have extra dust seals, Quad shock rear end suspension and other subtle mods to cope with Australian Conditions so no the Aust trucke were not a cheap hack replica as was suggested, the dollar difference is duties and dollar exchange. I also believe that many of the fitiings for the trucks are made in Aust. Those telescopic towing mirrors with the lights I believe come from Qld.

The differences in the trucks are very minor over here, mainly trim like that horrible woodgrain from the 70s. The 02 trucks believe it or not did not have a cd player! the main change between then and now is the cd. Make sure you get the cargo net behind the rear seat (Crew Cab).

Insurance - Aust 4x4 insurance will insure the truck at a very competitive rate for on and off road applications with any noted modification. RACV wouldnt touch it because there repairers apparently have weight limitations. I couldnt beat Aust 4x4! (recc retail is now around 85g)

On Ford Aust.- Select a dealer that is a light truck service agent - don't take it to a car garage! Ask the Service manager a few pertinent questions about the truck before you use them. If you are having trouble, speak with Ford CC. I had great results from the then manager up there, "Raju" he retored my faith in Ford Aust.

Thats all for now, lots more if you are interested, drop me a direct email.

Adam
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Follow Up By: F233 - Friday, Apr 01, 2005 at 19:29

Friday, Apr 01, 2005 at 19:29
Adam,

thanks so much for the info - i really appreciate it. I am meeting one more dealer on Monday to negotiate a price and delivery date.

The information provided has been most valuable and helped me enormously in making my final decision.

cheers
Ric
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Reply By: snowman - Tuesday, Apr 05, 2005 at 22:00

Tuesday, Apr 05, 2005 at 22:00
Hi Ric,

Could you please tell me what the specific problem is with the steering and rear shackles on the f250 are. I am picking up my new f250 this friday and spoke to ford asking what the problem is but only reply was that ford was aware of the problems.
I have choosen a f250 for much the same reasons as you have. At present i have a GU patrol 3.0 diesel turbo which is good but lacks a bit when towing heavy loads.
How did you go for pricing? I contacted approximately 14 dealers in NSW, ACT and VIC and had a huge price difference. The best i could get drive away out the gate was $70171 in the ACT. That was for a 2005 crew cab xlt 7.3l diesel auto with primary producer discount

cheers Dave
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Follow Up By: F233 - Wednesday, Apr 06, 2005 at 06:00

Wednesday, Apr 06, 2005 at 06:00
Hi Dave,

congrats on your purchase. I pick mine up in about 2 weeks.

Dave contact me on my email formula233@optusnet.com.au.

cheers
Ric
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