Submitted: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 at 19:44
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Hello all

After recently posting a thread on Wrangler MTRs and that I was almost sold on them, I changed my mind. Part of the reason was the recent thread from very happy recent owners of Cooper ATRs who said performance on bitumen, gravel, sand and rock was A1.

I picked them up for $260 each, lowest I could get anyone (in Adelaide). Explained that Cooper with their fairly limited preferred distributors don't let them have much play with what they charge - up or down. Makes sense, because independent tyre stores were quoting me $300+ at best price (are the LT 245/75/16s with 80000 km warranty)

So we will see how they go. I would anticipate on trading them in on newies at abotu 1/2 worn, but at the rate of my wear that is in at least 3 years time.

You would all know that buying new tyres is a huge decision because they are with you for such a long time. I considered cheaper options, but for the extra $300 total (5 tyres) I feel I am not only getting the mileage warranty but a proven and capable tyre with a good reputation. Despite the negativity on the STTs, STs and ST/Cs, the COOPER ATR seems to shine. Will keep you all informed of my progress.


p.s. They only want $45 per 10000 km to have alignment/balance/rotation and maintain the warranty. Not much really and will help the vehicle track better and probably keep fuel economy to a minimum - you should have seen the toe-in figures - should be much better now!

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Reply By: jp - Tuesday, May 10, 2005 at 20:21

Tuesday, May 10, 2005 at 20:21
Good luck
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Follow Up By: Steve - Tuesday, May 10, 2005 at 21:33

Tuesday, May 10, 2005 at 21:33
and you will need it too !!
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Follow Up By: D-Jack - Wednesday, May 11, 2005 at 17:47

Wednesday, May 11, 2005 at 17:47
JP and Steve,

Cmon, give us some constructive comments. If you've heard something negative about the ATR (not the AT) then spill the beans. Maybe I can avoid a tyre loss by knowing some of the limitations. That's what this forum is about. Without expanding you have provided a couple of the most useless responses known to this thread. What do you both drive on?

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Reply By: normc - Tuesday, May 10, 2005 at 22:32

Tuesday, May 10, 2005 at 22:32
They are good tyres D-Jack. I have them and am very happy. As long as you the warranty wasn't the key decision factor. In itself, not a good reason to buy. I see it more as a marketing position. You either buy them because you believe they are a good tyre that will meet your needs, or not at all. I'm happy so far, but early days yet!
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Follow Up By: D-Jack - Wednesday, May 11, 2005 at 17:38

Wednesday, May 11, 2005 at 17:38
Thanks Norm

They are excellent on road, I couldn't lock the brakes up on dry bitumen. Wow! (don't have abs either!) Yet to try them off road

I didn't get them because of the warranty (although I do beleive that they would probably have a longer life than most). As I said, I heard raving reports on them from here and other places. I wasn't going to worry about the warranty, until the tyre place told me it would only cost $45 per 10000 kms for an alignment, rotate and balance (plus parts eg shims if required). That 's very reasonable and it is probably a good idea to get the front end alligned on a IFS with torsion bars regularly. My toe-in was way out, and the correction may improve my fuel economy. So I am happy to get it all checked every 10000 kms (which is only about once a year for me).


p.s. they are quieter at the moment than my Wrangler APs were!

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Reply By: Chaz - Wednesday, May 11, 2005 at 01:20

Wednesday, May 11, 2005 at 01:20

You couldn't mention who you got your best quote from, could you, as I’m in the market for some new rubber and was seriously considering the ATR's. I'm also in Adelaide and you may save me some time shopping around. Thanks,

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Follow Up By: D-Jack - Wednesday, May 11, 2005 at 17:43

Wednesday, May 11, 2005 at 17:43

Dont forget I'm quoting for the 245/75/16 LTs.

Unaffiliated tyre shops who don't stock Cooper - up to $330
Fred Vella at Edwardstown - $265. Would not budge on price. Allignment and rotate/balance to maintain warranty was $90 per 10000 kms
Glenelg discount tyre centre (97 Brighton Rd, Glenelg - where I got mine) were $260. Only knocked $5 off after pushing. Allignment/rotate/balance $45 every 10000 kms.

Good luck. Went for the Cooper over Wrantler AT/Rs purely because of all the positive recent feedback, and recommendations from mate in the 4wd industry.

Haven't heard a negative thing about them yet.

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Follow Up By: Chaz - Wednesday, May 11, 2005 at 17:59

Wednesday, May 11, 2005 at 17:59
Thanks D-Jack, I'll give them a ring and get quotes on some 265/75's. So far the best quote I've had was $299 each.
They look like a good compromise for on and off road driving.

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Reply By: Steve - Wednesday, May 11, 2005 at 19:56

Wednesday, May 11, 2005 at 19:56
Now seriously...$ 260.00 is about the standard retail price from Coopers Dealers...anyone else has to buy from them and then add their costs etc and GST !!! $ not out of the way..and then maybe change them over if there is any warranty claim...the dealer carries this cost as far as I know Coopers don't actually pay for any replacement tyres to be fitted and balanced etc..all above IMHO..and not all Coopers have the same warranty...The Wrangler MTRs are a big unit and also made in USA ..!! How much were you quoted on them ?
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Follow Up By: D-Jack - Wednesday, May 11, 2005 at 20:12

Wednesday, May 11, 2005 at 20:12

MTRs are a completely different brand and style of tyre, but I was able to get them for $270 ea in the 245/75/16 LT not from same tyre place though. I think from memory they quoted over $300. Others were asking $330. I never said I got them really cheap, just managed to get a few bucks off each one for asking. Not a show special or anything (when suppliers usually wholesale for a bit cheaper so retail can be dropped). Still I chose them because they should outlast both mileage wise and puncture wise (comapring them to similars, like Wrangler A/T, Bridgestone 694, Dunlop Grandtrek, and other overpriced tyres.

Still want to know what your point is???????????????????


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Reply By: Steve - Wednesday, May 11, 2005 at 20:28

Wednesday, May 11, 2005 at 20:28
I think the point is that you bought the cheapest tyre ( x $10) which is the 'flavour of the month' , and saved $40..but will pay $45 every 10000ks 'look after '...which most people would not dream of doing if they bought any other a bit of education at a cost of $225 will theoretically give you a guarantee for 60000k ..have you factored that into your costs? Also ...your wheel alignment would have to be real bad to alter any mpg figures ??
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Follow Up By: D-Jack - Wednesday, May 11, 2005 at 21:24

Wednesday, May 11, 2005 at 21:24

The toe-in was way out. I was prepared to more per tyre, but a bonus at $260. Still, what the hell is your point? If you think the ATRs are crap then say so. If you think they are good but I paid too much then say so. If you own an IFS vehicle you will know that allignment in the front end is an issue and so to keep the vehicle in tip top condition a check up every 10000km is not to much to ask. If you are just arguing for the sake of arguing then say so. Your figures don't make sense. What have I saved $40 on? where do you get $225.....................don't worry. What is your point? OR ARE YOU JUST JEALOUS????


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Reply By: V8Diesel - Thursday, May 12, 2005 at 12:00

Thursday, May 12, 2005 at 12:00
I've got Cooper ATR's in 305/70/16 on my GU.

These are the best 'all rounder' I have ever used. They are a completely different tyre from the older Cooper AT (my previous fitment) and a vast improvement.

They are better on road than even the HT pattern in every respect (did a direct comaprison) for noise and grip, and off road they are simply amazing for an AT design. I was off roading side by side with MTR's just two days ago and theybleepit in.

I can't recommend them highly enough.
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