VP Holden injures 6 people -
Submitted: Monday, May 23, 2005 at 21:45
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Outnabout David (SA)
I read last week in one of the papers about a VP Holden that ran into 6 pedestrians injuring them all but I don't remember seeing anything about banning them from the roads. I was going to say something at the time but got sidetracked.
Tonight my daughter comes
home from school and has to present a paper about the 4WD debate on the safety issues. Yes that is right they are now teaching it in schools. I told her shew should take a pro 4wd stance which she wants to but finding stuff on the internet is a bit difficult. there is a plethora of info on the Anti 4wd side but I was wondering if anyone new of a site with good factual/scientific data to support the 4wd movement.
Thanks in anticipation.
Reply By: garrycol - Monday, May 23, 2005 at 21:54
Monday, May 23, 2005 at 21:54
Recent NRMA rear visibilty tests found the Commodore had the worst rear visibity - worst than 4wds - in fact it found that overall, 4wds had better rear vis than sedans but worse than hatchbacks - exceptions were those 4wds with spares on the rear door. The NRMA website might have something.
Gazz
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Reply By: Member - Paul P (Bris) - Monday, May 23, 2005 at 22:03
Monday, May 23, 2005 at 22:03
David.
Go here
Wyndham Business The stat's used are still current on the ABS site unless you wish to pay for newer ones. (Note this article is copyright).
Basically the 4WD debate is based on emotion and misinformation. In the case of Mr Scruby add the misuse of statistics. ( My information is that he uses USA stat's which are NOT relevant or valid in Australia).
The recent comments by a NSW coroner in relation to 4wd's, were in my opinion inappropriate and lacked objectivity.
Hope this assists.
Regards
Paul
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Follow Up By: BenSpoon - Tuesday, May 24, 2005 at 10:11
Tuesday, May 24, 2005 at 10:11
Are you saying I should discount Scruby's claims???
And there I was thinking I really did have my own "weapon of mass destruction".
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Follow Up By: Member - Paul P (Bris) - Tuesday, May 24, 2005 at 13:16
Tuesday, May 24, 2005 at 13:16
Yep. Further investigations have revealed that there were in fact no weapons of mass destruction to be found. A recurring theme I believe.
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Reply By: Member - Matt Mu (Perth-WA) - Monday, May 23, 2005 at 22:06
Monday, May 23, 2005 at 22:06
David, if you scroll down a page or so to the posts about the banning of the 4wd, a few links were posted to PRO 4WD people's sites.
One was Whyndam Business and the other was Prof Jenkins NSW MLC
Dont remember the full links, hence the suggestiojn to look it up on the earlier posts.
Glad to see your daughter is fighting the good fight in educating her teacher!!!!
Matt.
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Reply By: motherhen - Monday, May 23, 2005 at 22:32
Monday, May 23, 2005 at 22:32
Can anyone help with statistics? - recently on news that over 40% new cars sold on Oz are 4wd. What ratio of accidents are 4wd/non 4wd? I know this simple comparison doesn't consider kms travelled by both. We drive 4wds mainly because we need them on the farms, and clock up in excess of 40,000 km per annum on each of them. Haven't killed a pedestrian yet. I have a commodore just to get to work in town - does around 2500 kms per year. Don't know if i've run down anyone as i pass the school - vision isn't as good as from the 4wds.
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Reply By: Sand Man (SA) - Tuesday, May 24, 2005 at 08:04
Tuesday, May 24, 2005 at 08:04
Also some good reference from Dr Jon Jenkins MLC
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Reply By: Alloy c/t - Tuesday, May 24, 2005 at 08:18
Tuesday, May 24, 2005 at 08:18
Remember reading a post 6mths? ago on the same persieved dangers of 4x4 , turns out that new c/dore is in all respects except hight LARGER than an 80series cruiser /patrol/pajero ect.
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Follow Up By: Michael ( Moss Vale NSW) - Tuesday, May 24, 2005 at 10:22
Tuesday, May 24, 2005 at 10:22
At least i can see the end of the bonnet and the know my Patrol finishes 200mm past the read windscreen, Try driving a new commodore... no wonder so many have scrapes on the corners of the front bumpers, you have no idea where they are!!!!
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Reply By: GUPatrol - Tuesday, May 24, 2005 at 10:30
Reply By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Tuesday, May 24, 2005 at 14:45
Tuesday, May 24, 2005 at 14:45
Hi David,
Check out NRMA site
The material there looks objective and is based on a million crashes, which is a lot more useful than trashing vehicles into brick walls.
Cheers
Phil
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