reversing visibility

Submitted: Thursday, May 26, 2005 at 12:03
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Some truth (finally) on reversing visibility of 4wd's comapred to other popular vehicles.

Blind spot research reveals worst offenders

NRMA Insurance Reversing Visibility Index Results Summary 2005
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Reply By: Truckster (Vic) - Thursday, May 26, 2005 at 12:08

Thursday, May 26, 2005 at 12:08
"The Lexus GS430 was the "only vehicle tested that doesn't have an obvious reversing blind area for the average driver"

so with scrubys seasonally adjusted figures, they only take average drivers, not the majority of our pis$ poor drivers...
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Thursday, May 26, 2005 at 12:09

Thursday, May 26, 2005 at 12:09
also note they listed 2 4wds and only 1 in each other catagory....

NA........ not biased.
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Follow Up By: Groove - Thursday, May 26, 2005 at 21:56

Thursday, May 26, 2005 at 21:56
By average they meant average height not income
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Reply By: Member - Jeff M (WA) - Thursday, May 26, 2005 at 12:37

Thursday, May 26, 2005 at 12:37
I love the way the commodore is just as bad as the Prado, but I don't see a picture of a commodore featured, nor do I see it saying "Australias most popular Family Sedan, worst offender" in the title!

Typical.
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Thursday, May 26, 2005 at 12:50

Thursday, May 26, 2005 at 12:50
Come on jeff, your starting to sound sarcastic.... thats my job...
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Follow Up By: Member - Jeff M (WA) - Thursday, May 26, 2005 at 18:27

Thursday, May 26, 2005 at 18:27
Sorry Mate, I can feel old age and grumpiness catching up on me!! ;-)
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Reply By: flappa - Thursday, May 26, 2005 at 13:01

Thursday, May 26, 2005 at 13:01
Quote: "The Lexus GS430 was the "only vehicle tested that doesn't have an obvious reversing blind area for the average driver"

So if that IS the case , what have sensors , and a camera fitted.

Its been artifically corrected.

ANY vehicle can get a top rating by artifical means
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Follow Up By: Lester from Mitsubishi 4WD Owners Club of WA Inc - Saturday, May 28, 2005 at 00:23

Saturday, May 28, 2005 at 00:23
http://www.nrma.com.au/pub/nrma/motor/car-research/reversing-visibility/4wd.shtml

Mitsubishi Pajero equal first...
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Follow Up By: MrBitchi - Monday, May 30, 2005 at 06:50

Monday, May 30, 2005 at 06:50
As per the above post, only the model with a reversing camera. Standard Pajero only rates half a star.
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Reply By: Sand Man (SA) - Thursday, May 26, 2005 at 13:34

Thursday, May 26, 2005 at 13:34
Scruby's Subaru Forrester (listed under 4WD) only got a 3 star rating too.

Shame on him!!!
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Reply By: BenSpoon - Thursday, May 26, 2005 at 13:35

Thursday, May 26, 2005 at 13:35
Luxury cars... A convertible was the worst....????
Theres no bloody pillars except little A's! how can it be the worst?
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Follow Up By: Froilan - Thursday, May 26, 2005 at 13:51

Thursday, May 26, 2005 at 13:51
Maybe it's when the roof is up. They tend to have really tiny see- through sections, or none at all in some cases.
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Follow Up By: Scubaroo - Thursday, May 26, 2005 at 13:57

Thursday, May 26, 2005 at 13:57
Or simply the height of the boot of the vehicle - a relative in the US owns a Camry coupe convertable ("Solaris" or something), the back of it is the almost at the height of the drivers head when seated. Can't see bleep out the back even with the top down. I think the design is done with rollover survivability in mind, at the cost of rear visibility.
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Follow Up By: Wombat - Thursday, May 26, 2005 at 14:00

Thursday, May 26, 2005 at 14:00
My work day commuter is a convertible and it is considerably worse than my 4WD with regard to rearward visibility due to the massive expanses of softop in the back corners. In fact, in the NRMA testing my convertible rated at zero stars whereas the dual cab got two stars. Geez I hope Mr Scrub-a-dub-dub doesn't cotton on to this, I'll feel like twice the pariah that I am now.
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Reply By: 3.0turbob - Thursday, May 26, 2005 at 15:00

Thursday, May 26, 2005 at 15:00
So when I turn on the TV and watch ACA or Today Tonight, will the angry mob be calling for a ban on Commodores?
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Reply By: Member - Beatit (QLD) - Thursday, May 26, 2005 at 15:43

Thursday, May 26, 2005 at 15:43
Hi Gang,

Well I'm ready to fess up as well! When I have a trailer attached and the truck fully loaded I would not advise for anyone to practice yoga behind my trailer because I wouldn't see them or feel them (love the tregg) if I was to reverse over the top of them.

I hear you ask what is the point of this post? Well I've warned everybody so my concience is clear. So there you have it, if you don't do yoga behind my car then I won't have to reverse over you - seems simple to me.

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Follow Up By: Footloose - Thursday, May 26, 2005 at 15:47

Thursday, May 26, 2005 at 15:47
A trailer seems an obvious place to have a reversing camera . Hmm....
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Follow Up By: Member - Beatit (QLD) - Thursday, May 26, 2005 at 15:52

Thursday, May 26, 2005 at 15:52
Like the camera idea but I'm overspent in preparation of immediate holiday plans. But have previously done some serious navel gazing on that one. A camera in the rear of the car (so backing up to the trailer, walls and other objects would involve less guess work) and a plug arrangement to plug in a second station (camera) on the trailer once connected.

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Follow Up By: Footloose - Thursday, May 26, 2005 at 15:58

Thursday, May 26, 2005 at 15:58
Yes, you've certainly thought it through. I'd imagine that reversing would result in the most "crunshes" with 4wds and trailers, and was just thinking that a camera would possibly save a lot of hassle.
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Follow Up By: Member - Paul P (Bris) - Thursday, May 26, 2005 at 16:05

Thursday, May 26, 2005 at 16:05
Greetings
Go here Poron Australia reversing systems

Mine is being fitted tomorrow (Friday) The screens take 2 inputs and there is a kit for the trailer camera.

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Paul
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Follow Up By: Member - John (Vic) - Thursday, May 26, 2005 at 18:07

Thursday, May 26, 2005 at 18:07
Paul what model did you fit? CM60 ?
Can I ask how much ?
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Follow Up By: Member - Paul P (Bris) - Thursday, May 26, 2005 at 21:02

Thursday, May 26, 2005 at 21:02
John

CM60. I will know the cost tomorrow (its a once off price " mates rates" ). If you look on the poron site in accessories you can see the bits for the additional camera for the trailer.

Mine is just one camera fitted to the vehicle. I will do some pictures when installed.

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Reply By: Member - John (Vic) - Thursday, May 26, 2005 at 18:05

Thursday, May 26, 2005 at 18:05
We just got a good rap from channel 10 news tonight on this topic.
I nearly fell of my chair when they said "Surprisingly 4wd drives rated at the better end of the scale" the Holden Commodore station wagon was one of the worst.

They also reported that the NRMA said that 4wd's should not be banned from school grounds, They actually said that "ALL vehicles should be separated from school children" in school areas, Sounds like a sensible comment to me.
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Follow Up By: Member - Smocky (NSW) - Thursday, May 26, 2005 at 23:16

Thursday, May 26, 2005 at 23:16
Sounds like a comment a few of us have been saying since the rhetoric began. Why ban 4WD's? cars of any nature and children don't mix. Keep them separated.
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Reply By: MAVERICK(WA) - Thursday, May 26, 2005 at 18:55

Thursday, May 26, 2005 at 18:55
and to think when the young girlie in the lancer coupe with spoiler and little fat wheels and huge drainpipe reversed into the front of my 4wd and did $1800 damage to her car (at least that is what her insurance coy has said) it was all the cars fault because it has blind spots - I always thought it was the drivers fault - just goes to show doesn't it...............you can twist anything to mean anything - and she tried to get me to pay for her repairs - I wouldn't have minded but I was parked in a parking bay and she was doing her best to try and get her car through my bull bar to attack my headlights............and I just thought she was a stupid
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Reply By: ev700 - Thursday, May 26, 2005 at 20:46

Thursday, May 26, 2005 at 20:46
It is interesting that motor writers rarely comment on rear visibility.

They don't say much about front visibility either though many vehicles, especially those with sloping rooflines, have A frames causing bad blindspots for the driver (esp right front quarter). Our Falcon's A frame has a bad blindspot to the front quarter and for taller drivers, the rear vision mirror blocks part of the road ahead.

Waste of time buying motoring mags or reading car reviews where the journo habitually sucks up to the car maker.

Wonder how many accidents are caused by cars with poor visibility to the front quarters?

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Reply By: Member - Paul P (Bris) - Friday, May 27, 2005 at 20:05

Friday, May 27, 2005 at 20:05
Greetings

Today I had a poron CM60 model fitted to the Patrol. The screen replaces the rear vision mirror and the camera and screen activate when the ignition is turned on. The camera is mounted from the high mount brake light cover on the inside ( behind the glass) of the larger barn door.

The unit now performs as the rear vision system for the vehicle. Initial impressions are positive with much improved rear vision both to the rear and sides.

Time will tell re reliability, but the vastly improved rear vision is wonderful.

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Follow Up By: Member - John (Vic) - Friday, May 27, 2005 at 21:53

Friday, May 27, 2005 at 21:53
Pictures Paul Pictures, We need some Pictures.

Also how much for the normal people not the mates rates you said you were getting?. LOL
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Follow Up By: Member - Paul P (Bris) - Friday, May 27, 2005 at 22:23

Friday, May 27, 2005 at 22:23
G'day

Pictures sometime over the weekend if I can. Non mates rates supplied and installed $850.00.

My installer did a very nice job. My choice of camera location allows the rear windscreen wiper to clean the glass the camera looks through. You can see the glass heating strips.

The only issues I have are that the glue holding the screen mount stuck to a properly prepared windscreen glass but failed to stick to the screen bracket. I re glued it and all should be okay.

The camera turns on with the image reversed and I have to hit a button on the screen to re set the image correctly. This is just a config/wiring issue which should be fixed next week.

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Follow Up By: Fusion - Saturday, May 28, 2005 at 10:40

Saturday, May 28, 2005 at 10:40
G'day Paul,

Nice Rig, I've got the 3L auto version. How is the rear view LCD (mirror replacement) in bright light, ie driving into the sun, or bright clouds behind it? You probably haven't had time to find out yet, but I thought I'd ask anyway.

I've got rear sensors in the bumper which work well, but my wife still managed to back our 3mth old Patrol into a car, she was coming out of a driveway too fast. I asked if the alarms went off on the sensors, she said yes, but she was going too fast to stop :( Anyway I'm thinking of putting the new ARB steel rear bar on, which I imagine can't take sensors, so was looking for another solution for rear views, and your setup might be it.

You mentioned being able to mount another camera to the back of the trailer. We tow an Adventure Camper trailer, so I'd be very interested in your setup for that too.

Looking forward to the pics and further experiences.

Thanks,

Aaron.
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Follow Up By: Member - Paul P (Bris) - Saturday, May 28, 2005 at 19:17

Saturday, May 28, 2005 at 19:17
Aaron

I did not do my camper trailer. If you go to the poron nsite and look in the accessories area you can see the gear needed.

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