Questions from a POME novice: Toyota v Nissan

Submitted: Thursday, Nov 14, 2002 at 01:00
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I’m a POME leaving London at the request of my Aussie wife (did not take much persuading). After watching Bush Tucker Man and other various Outback programs, I want to try some proper bush bashing and compare it to the urban jungle driving we have in London.

The specifications on the models of the 4x4 in the Australia market place are very different to the versions we get in the UK and I would like some advice. It would be easy to read the new car brochures and buy a brand new 4x4 but, that’s just a little bit too much of a luxury and the thought of sending a new $60K car down to the panel beaters after a brush with a eucalyptus tree, would probably end up with me in the divorce courts.

I want to get a 4x4 that is dedicated to bush use but, it will still need to travel to and from the play areas via normal roads. It does not have to compromise as a normal everyday car as well.

I want to start off with weekend/week long trips in Victoria, as I will be based in Melbourne. So the vehicle should be suitable for conditions found in this area. I will probably venture into the lower part of NSW and the eastern edge of SA as well. I will be joining a local club before I go and play in the dirt and be starting off with some tag along tours.

The vehicle needs to transport my wife and myself and it would be handy if it could also take along the expected visiting overseas friends, look for a cheap holiday, for long weekends and fishing trips. My wife would also point out that the need for a baby seat within the next 18 months as well (is there something she is planning I wonder?).

The “best 4x4xfar” in the UK is the Land Rover Defender, mainly due to the huge market in specialised after sales equipment and the narrow size of the off-road tacks available. It appears after much research that the Toyota LC or TC and Nissan Patrol are the main beast of burden to go for when playing in the Aussie outback.

Having owned both Toyota and Nissan “cars” before, my preference would be for a Toyota vehicle based on past reliability and after sales service. Is this the same in Oz?

Budget will be about $20K for the vehicle and another $5K for equipment and modification, in the first year. If I can find one ready to play in the dirt with suitable equipment, so much the better but, I would like to have the fun of swearing at installation instructions and grazing fingers whilst adding the essential big-boys-toys, which lets face it, are half the fun.

Please keep in mind that the vehicle’s capabilities and equipment levels need only cover a beginners needs for short(ish) trips in areas where help is probably not going to be too far away. The HF radio, EPIRB and Kimberly Kamper will probably not be needed for the first 12-18 months of playing and learning. At least not until I have the confidence to push the exploring a littler deeper into the Australia wilds and know that I can rough it living off grubs, snakes and warm Victoria Bitter, when the fridge packs up.

Key items I would be looking to add: extra water and fuel tanks, CB/UHF Radio, recovery & tyre repair gear as detailed on this site, up-rated shocks and springs (dependent on vehicle), winch, GPS, fridge/pantry/cooking setup and snorkel.

My questions are:

- Toyota v Nissan, which manufacture to go for?

- Which model and engine type to go for?

- What are people thoughts on a Toyota TC 3 or 5 seat and then customising the back end to a pantry, storage or even sleeping area?

- Is there a recognised 4x4 driving accreditation? I’ve done the Marine ICCC and Day Skipper courses and I’m wondering if there is anything similar setup for the outback?

I’m sure I’ll have more questions and my thanks in advance to any feedback. I’m sure any feedback will probably lead to more specific questions.


Thanks,

Glyn
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Reply By: OziExplorer - Thursday, Nov 14, 2002 at 01:00

Thursday, Nov 14, 2002 at 01:00
What about Mitsubishi Pajero?

You will get far better value for money with Nissan or Mitsubishi.
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Reply By: CHRIS - Thursday, Nov 14, 2002 at 01:00

Thursday, Nov 14, 2002 at 01:00
And I thought those 10 quid passages had expired years ago.If only Les Hiddons knew what he had started !.Reminds me of a joke I heard years ago about a bus load of pommies going over a cliff and a Aussie was standing on the edge of the cliff crying. A bystander asked why he was so upset. He replyed that there was one empty seat. But I wish you well in your search for your vehicle and would reccomend a good 60 series 12 HT diesel Turbo which should get you on the road including outfitting for well under $20,000.
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Follow Up By: Oziexplorer - Thursday, Nov 14, 2002 at 01:00

Thursday, Nov 14, 2002 at 01:00
How do you know when a plane load of pommies or South Australians arrive at Sydney airport?

The whine of the jet engines continues after the jet engines have been shut down.

Suggest you go to South Australia, as that is the home of the Brits in Aus. You will feel more comfortable there, and we can then feel more comfortable with you going there instead of Victoria.
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Follow Up By: Stephenf - Thursday, Nov 14, 2002 at 01:00

Thursday, Nov 14, 2002 at 01:00
Now that's not quite fair Oziexplorer. I always enjoy visiting my rellies in the convict states. Now back to my chardonnay and Don Dunstan poetry.

Stephen - Adelaide.
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Follow Up By: Oziexplorer - Thursday, Nov 14, 2002 at 01:00

Thursday, Nov 14, 2002 at 01:00
Stephenf buddy, as long as the Chardony is good Aussie plonk, you are OK! Hang in there.
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Follow Up By: Glyn - Thursday, Nov 14, 2002 at 01:00

Thursday, Nov 14, 2002 at 01:00
Oziexplorer, funny that such a big country has such small minded people like yourself in it. The millions of Aussie in London are always tell anyone who stays still for more than a second how great a country Oz real is, shame your there letting the side down.

FYI –
Victoria was free settled state, settled by the Brit’s.
The aborigines where there 37,000 years before you and your ancestors, so maybe you should leave and let them have their country back.
There are more Australians visiting/living the UK at anyone time, than there are British people visiting/living in Oz. Main reason given for the Australians not wanting to be in Oz, the small minded mentality of a few ‘drongos’, whose dumb-arse outlook on life conspires to ruin what should be the most special country in the world. Sounds like they have all met you Ozi.
Unless you are going run for government and gain the majority backing of the nation, keep your views on who should live where to yourself.

I hope no other Australian’s reading this take offence at my above comments but, it f*$cks me off when some idiot like Ozi, who has nothing better to do than dig up 30 year old jokes and dish out beer-based politics. I’m just looking for honest advice from people with a like minded hobby, the insults I can do without but I more than ready to listen to them face to face Ozi.
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Follow Up By: Glyn - Thursday, Nov 14, 2002 at 01:00

Thursday, Nov 14, 2002 at 01:00
Oziexplorer, funny that such a big country has such small minded people like yourself in it. The millions of Aussie in London are always tell anyone who stays still for more than a second how great a country Oz real is, shame your there letting the side down.

FYI –
Victoria was free settled state, settled by the Brit’s.
The aborigines where there 37,000 years before you and your ancestors, so maybe you should leave and let them have their country back.
There are more Australians visiting/living the UK at anyone time, than there are British people visiting/living in Oz. Main reason given for the Australians not wanting to be in Oz, the small minded mentality of a few ‘drongos’, whose dumb-arse outlook on life conspires to ruin what should be the most special country in the world. Sounds like they have all met you Ozi.
Unless you are going run for government and gain the majority backing of the nation, keep your views on who should live where to yourself.

I hope no other Australian’s reading this take offence at my above comments but, it f*$cks me off when some idiot like Ozi, who has nothing better to do than dig up 30 year old jokes and dish out beer-based politics. I’m just looking for honest advice from people with a like minded hobby, the insults I can do without but I more than ready to listen to them face to face Ozi.
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Follow Up By: Glyn - Thursday, Nov 14, 2002 at 01:00

Thursday, Nov 14, 2002 at 01:00
Oziexplorer, funny that such a big country has such small minded people like yourself in it. The millions of Aussie in London are always tell anyone who stays still for more than a second how great a country Oz real is, shame your there letting the side down.

FYI –
Victoria was free settled state, settled by the Brit’s.
The aborigines where there 37,000 years before you and your ancestors, so maybe you should leave and let them have their country back.
There are more Australians visiting/living the UK at anyone time, than there are British people visiting/living in Oz. Main reason given for the Australians not wanting to be in Oz, the small minded mentality of a few ‘drongos’, whose dumb-arse outlook on life conspires to ruin what should be the most special country in the world. Sounds like they have all met you Ozi.
Unless you are going run for government and gain the majority backing of the nation, keep your views on who should live where to yourself.

I hope no other Australian’s reading this take offence at my above comments but, it f*$cks me off when some idiot like Ozi, who has nothing better to do than dig up 30 year old jokes and dish out beer-based politics. I’m just looking for honest advice from people with a like minded hobby, the insults I can do without but I more than ready to listen to them face to face Ozi.
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Follow Up By: Glyn - Thursday, Nov 14, 2002 at 01:00

Thursday, Nov 14, 2002 at 01:00
Oziexplorer, funny that such a big country has such small minded people like yourself in it. The millions of Aussie in London are always tell anyone who stays still for more than a second how great a country Oz real is, shame your there letting the side down.

FYI –
Victoria was free settled state, settled by the Brit’s.
The aborigines where there 37,000 years before you and your ancestors, so maybe you should leave and let them have their country back.
There are more Australians visiting/living the UK at anyone time, than there are British people visiting/living in Oz. Main reason given for the Australians not wanting to be in Oz, the small minded mentality of a few ‘drongos’, whose dumb-arse outlook on life conspires to ruin what should be the most special country in the world. Sounds like they have all met you Ozi.
Unless you are going run for government and gain the majority backing of the nation, keep your views on who should live where to yourself.

I hope no other Australian’s reading this take offence at my above comments but, it f*$cks me off when some idiot like Ozi, who has nothing better to do than dig up 30 year old jokes and dish out beer-based politics. I’m just looking for honest advice from people with a like minded hobby, the insults I can do without but I more than ready to listen to them face to face Ozi.
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Follow Up By: Glyn - Thursday, Nov 14, 2002 at 01:00

Thursday, Nov 14, 2002 at 01:00
Oziexplorer, funny that such a big country has such small minded people like yourself in it. The millions of Aussie in London are always tell anyone who stays still for more than a second how great a country Oz real is, shame your there letting the side down.

FYI –
Victoria was free settled state, settled by the Brit’s.
The aborigines where there 37,000 years before you and your ancestors, so maybe you should leave and let them have their country back.
There are more Australians visiting/living the UK at anyone time, than there are British people visiting/living in Oz. Main reason given for the Australians not wanting to be in Oz, the small minded mentality of a few ‘drongos’, whose dumb-arse outlook on life conspires to ruin what should be the most special country in the world. Sounds like they have all met you Ozi.
Unless you are going run for government and gain the majority backing of the nation, keep your views on who should live where to yourself.

I hope no other Australian’s reading this take offence at my above comments but, it f*$cks me off when some idiot like Ozi, who has nothing better to do than dig up 30 year old jokes and dish out beer-based politics. I’m just looking for honest advice from people with a like minded hobby, the insults I can do without but I more than ready to listen to them face to face Ozi.
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Follow Up By: Glyn - Thursday, Nov 14, 2002 at 01:00

Thursday, Nov 14, 2002 at 01:00
Oziexplorer, funny that such a big country has such small minded people like yourself in it. The millions of Aussie in London are always tell anyone who stays still for more than a second how great a country Oz real is, shame your there letting the side down.

FYI –
Victoria was free settled state, settled by the Brit’s.
The aborigines where there 37,000 years before you and your ancestors, so maybe you should leave and let them have their country back.
There are more Australians visiting/living the UK at anyone time, than there are British people visiting/living in Oz. Main reason given for the Australians not wanting to be in Oz, the small minded mentality of a few ‘drongos’, whose dumb-arse outlook on life conspires to ruin what should be the most special country in the world. Sounds like they have all met you Ozi.
Unless you are going run for government and gain the majority backing of the nation, keep your views on who should live where to yourself.

I hope no other Australian’s reading this take offence at my above comments but, it f*$cks me off when some idiot like Ozi, who has nothing better to do than dig up 30 year old jokes and dish out beer-based politics. I’m just looking for honest advice from people with a like minded hobby, the insults I can do without but I more than ready to listen to them face to face Ozi.
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Follow Up By: Julian - Friday, Nov 15, 2002 at 01:00

Friday, Nov 15, 2002 at 01:00
Glyn. As an ex-pom I can tell you it took me a few months to understand the Aussie sense of humour. After 15 years I can swear and abuse with the best of them! These guys are not being serious and are only abusing you in the spirit of round-the-barbie banter.
My .02c worth isn't even worth that, but I'm the proud and happy owner of a Defender Extreme (without the stupid stickers). It'll go anywhere I need to go and has a good load area for camping gear. I believe they're not even built in the UK anymore so the chances are it'll stay together for a few years. By the way, don't drink VB if you're an ale drinker, drink Cooper's Sparkling Ale - it still tastes good even if the fridge has died - and it's real and unpasteurised.
Best of luck.
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Follow Up By: Chris - Saturday, Nov 16, 2002 at 01:00

Saturday, Nov 16, 2002 at 01:00
I was surprised to see such an outburst from Glyn over such a trivial joke. No sense of humour,typical bombastic attitude and your only supposed to start wineing after you arrive here and not before. So lets not start letting the side down , be a good BOY,and I promise when you arrive we will settle down to a cuppa cha and a nuffi bun! just to make you feel at home.
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Follow Up By: Chris - Saturday, Nov 16, 2002 at 01:00

Saturday, Nov 16, 2002 at 01:00
I was surprised to see such an outburst from Glyn over such a trivial joke. No sense of humour,typical bombastic attitude and your only supposed to start wineing after you arrive here and not before. So lets not start letting the side down , be a good BOY,and I promise when you arrive we will settle down to a cuppa cha and a nuffi bun! just to make you feel at home.
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Follow Up By: Stephenf - Sunday, Nov 17, 2002 at 01:00

Sunday, Nov 17, 2002 at 01:00
You're right Chris, it was a trivial joke. It was also stupid, ignorant, childish and embarrassing to all Aussies with at least half a brain. I thought this type of crap had died out long ago, but is still apparently alive and well in the yob culture.
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Reply By: Member - Nigel - Thursday, Nov 14, 2002 at 01:00

Thursday, Nov 14, 2002 at 01:00
Both the LC and Patrol's are good vehicles. You will get a better condition and more comfortable (coil sprung) GQ Patrol for the same price as an older leaf sprung 60 seriers LC.

It's common for 60 series owners for their wives to not like the passengers seat as they aren't the most comfortable.

Diesel is the better engine for offroad, in either vehicle. The Nissan has a larger/stronger gearbox/drivetrain than the 80 series LC. If considering an 80 series check for signs of abuse such as jumping out of gear. Secondhand 80 series in good condition are still overpriced in my opinion, due to the quality and reputation of the previous LC.

I've got a 1995 GQ Patrol that's done 265000km original petrol motor with no major work done. If the engine ever dies I'll chuck in a diesel, but it goes too good to touch at the moment.
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Reply By: Benna - Thursday, Nov 14, 2002 at 01:00

Thursday, Nov 14, 2002 at 01:00
Hi Gov'na

GQ Patrol, Petrol/diesel, diesel better in bush. Make sure petrol is 4.2ltr, not 3 litr. Toyota has amazing resale vale, so are very expensive. For $20 grand, you should get a LWB patrol, bullbar, lights, and wide wheels, see what else you can get. Make sure it never been off road. GQ are in direct competition with the 80 series LC. 60 series are good, just primative, wife will not like it.
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Follow Up By: Member - Nigel - Thursday, Nov 14, 2002 at 01:00

Thursday, Nov 14, 2002 at 01:00
Actually the 3 litre is quite a good and reliable engine once it's got extractrors and a 2.5" exhaust (and the vacuum advance fixed). Tows a one tonne camper ok - keeps up the the TD LC's. And lighter on the juice than the 4.2 EFI Petrol Patrol.

I wouldn't recommend a 3 litre for towing a caravan.
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Reply By: mudgutz - Thursday, Nov 14, 2002 at 01:00

Thursday, Nov 14, 2002 at 01:00
if its gonna be in the bush mainly as you state a toyota 75 series 92-94 should be in your budget in a diesel it doesnt have a comfortable coil front end but it will be more reliable and harder to break for the inexperienced four wheel driver than the nissan all you need is a rear diff lock, some 33 inch tyres,a snorkel, good aftermarket shocks and a good winch and theres not many places this girl wont go. you should be able to pick one up for about 18-20 and spend your five on the extras ive stated and your away....
thats my 2 bobs worth....i have one which makes me a little biased but having driven both i can say that the thing is idiot proof as i have seen many a backpacker with no 4wd experience take stock versions into the bush and they manage not to be able to break them easily if kept serviced it will take much abuse and is close to bulletproof
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Follow Up By: Janset - Saturday, Nov 16, 2002 at 01:00

Saturday, Nov 16, 2002 at 01:00
Hi Glyn.
I own a 1992 Toyota 75 series intercooled turbo diesel. This vehicle is a Trekka conversion and I have all the whistles and bells on it and I love it. It has never let me down, and I have punished it especially on club events.

Now to your question. I agree in total with mudgutz, but before you rush out and buy one, look around and see if you can lay your hands on a Trekka conversion. Trekka is vehicle camper modifications firm and is a Sydney based company so I would imagine they are more in numbers over there.

It may have a few more clicks on the clock ( in a diesel 200 000 Km is nothing). When you do find one, all the camper and accommodations have already been carried out and this will save you heaps of $$$, if you are real lucky, it may even have a diff lock or 2.

Check out their web site, type in Trekka on your favourite search engine, I think you will be impressed. To get your own Troopie converted, is not cheap by any means, I speak here from personal experience, but that is also a later option perhaps.

The only downside that I can see with the Troopie is that they really are a big vehicle, and at times are a bit of a pig to wheel around in a tight car park even with power steering, the length and the large turning circle and their height are the demons.

Lastly, it MUST BE A DIESEL. I have had both so I know. But if you don't mind towing a fuel tanker behind you, especially when 4WDing then go ahead, buy a petrol motor :)

Hope this helps
Regards
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Reply By: mudgutz - Thursday, Nov 14, 2002 at 01:00

Thursday, Nov 14, 2002 at 01:00
in regards to a prior post about the pajero... forget them they are rubbish..poorly designed engines very thirsty in the earlier ones, light weight suspension,.......i wonder why farmers,government bodies,mines
etc buy nissans and toyotas and not pajeros......need i say more!!!
the pajero is a good townies 4wd as it has all the nice bits and is very comfortable on the road but i will back my 75 against a pajero in the reliability/strength game all day..this will probably spark a few comments....
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Follow Up By: Tim - Sunday, Nov 17, 2002 at 01:00

Sunday, Nov 17, 2002 at 01:00
Hey mudgutz - I've owned all three 80 x 2/100 LC, GQ 4.2/GU 3.0 x 2 , NJ 2.8/NL2.8 and been all over australia and theyre all the same. they all hold a very similar % of purchase price as a resale value, they all have small faults, they all have pros and cons but the mitsubishi has onr thing that seems to be better than the others - a dealership network that are more willing to help you when youre in trouble and preform warranty work that might be outside the normal, may i suggest that you remove the blinkers and have a good look at other products that enjoy popular statis in australia - regards tim
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Follow Up By: Mudgutz - Sunday, Nov 17, 2002 at 01:00

Sunday, Nov 17, 2002 at 01:00
hey timmy blinkers were off when i wrote this i too have driven all different types as demo vehicles etc and owned nissans and toyotas
it is from my experience that i written.....in my opinion the mitsu cannot hold a candle to either of the others.......the only thing a mitsu has is fancy bits but as i said the engines are poor the suspension light weight .and to add to other things i have found early mitsu transmissions a bit sus.......the later one from 86 on seem to have been a bit better......but as i said for reliability i will stand my toyota against any mitsu ..........and i bet you can break your mitsu before i can break my toyota........... im sorry but the mitsu just seems a little light weight
my opinion stands .....
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Reply By: michael - Thursday, Nov 14, 2002 at 01:00

Thursday, Nov 14, 2002 at 01:00
Welcome, Glyn, for your money buy a GQ nissan/ mav 4.2l diesel with full history , or Toyota. Don't drive too fast as perils await the tryhards on dirt roads. Go steady and watch out for morons. I include tour bus 4wd operators in this catergory as from experience on Gibb River Rd. in July, some of them are very impatient and compromise the safety of other travellers. Also with their speed, necessary for them to maintain a frenzied itinerary, I feel they contribute greatly to rapid deteriation of a freshly graded road surface. Come to think of it , a modest speed limit of Max. 80Kph. might be prudent. Good luck and safe travel , Mike.
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Reply By: Truckster - Thursday, Nov 14, 2002 at 01:00

Thursday, Nov 14, 2002 at 01:00
Geeze being a pom thought you would go landrover or rangie..... Or are they that bad there too?

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Follow Up By: Oziexplorer - Thursday, Nov 14, 2002 at 01:00

Thursday, Nov 14, 2002 at 01:00
Truckster would probably bring back to many bad memories. A good POME prefers a Shogun!
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Follow Up By: Glyn - Thursday, Nov 14, 2002 at 01:00

Thursday, Nov 14, 2002 at 01:00
I've already bought a '97 Range Rover HSE (Toorak Tractor) from a relative on my wife's side. Only ever used to take the kids to school, never seen a puddle in it’s life

She has "upgraded" to a BMW X5. If your never going to get some dirt under your wheels then I guess it's a better option for on-road driving.

My wife wants a V8 Disco for her town car, I'm not keen on that, as it's too much of a half way house. I know that they are the car of choice for the Camel Trophy and do very well in it but, I think that's more to so with sponsorship money that anything else.
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Reply By: Kevin - Friday, Nov 15, 2002 at 01:00

Friday, Nov 15, 2002 at 01:00
This is definitly LAND CRUSIER contry, I Bought my 80 series std for less than 20k with 142kms on the clock, The grey seagulls keep them nice.
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Reply By: Allyn - Friday, Nov 15, 2002 at 01:00

Friday, Nov 15, 2002 at 01:00
80 series or a GQ Patrol for my money.
I would consider Diesel if touring Kimberley or Desert country.
Look long & hard at an 80 series that's at or below 20K mark. You can get good ones but could be ex-miners and will most probably be nothing but trouble if so.
Paid 25K for mine and can't fault it other than lack of turbo but even so have never been stuck in mud or sand (so far).
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Reply By: Truckster - Friday, Nov 15, 2002 at 01:00

Friday, Nov 15, 2002 at 01:00
You will get an excellent GQ for under $20k with goodies, like storage, water tanks, roof racks etc..

Lots of spares around the place, it would have to be between the GQ and the 80.

TOR Rangies over there must be cheap cause they are around $100k here.....
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Reply By: Member - Cruiser1 - Saturday, Nov 16, 2002 at 01:00

Saturday, Nov 16, 2002 at 01:00
Agree with most about choice: definitely between Toyota 60 or 80 series and Nissan Patrol. Look around, drive both and make sure your wife drives them too. You might find the Nissan more 'car-like' to drive but don't let that fool you: they are very capable and robust.

Anything less than these two will probably leave you disappointed once you've got the taste for a bit of outback driving. Definitely go for the diesel, turbo is ideal but if you find a good naturally aspirated one it's only about $3,500 to put a brandnew aftermarket turbo on it.

I have a late 60-series, brother has a Nissan GQ and I would happily settle for either if the price and condition were right. It's purely personal preference (and your wife's!)
Cheers, Cruiser
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Follow Up By: Member - Cruiser1 - Saturday, Nov 16, 2002 at 01:00

Saturday, Nov 16, 2002 at 01:00
By the way, get your spelling right. You're a Pom or a Pommie, not a POME.

But you're welcome anyway. :)
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Follow Up By: Allyn - Saturday, Nov 16, 2002 at 01:00

Saturday, Nov 16, 2002 at 01:00
Actually Glyn is correct - POME is the acronym for "Prisoner of Mother England" which I believe to be where the term Pommie came from.
We Aussies over have time have bastardised and colloquialised it to Pommie which when you look at it is a natural progression given our penchance for slang.

Cheers
Allyn
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Follow Up By: Member - Cruiser1 - Saturday, Nov 16, 2002 at 01:00

Saturday, Nov 16, 2002 at 01:00
You're right Allyn - or would be if this site were based in England. I'm simply trying to educate him about our local lingo. Once upon a time he may have left England as a POME, but as soon as he arrives in Oz he's a Pom. Regardless, he's still welcome. :)
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Follow Up By: Allyn - Sunday, Nov 17, 2002 at 01:00

Sunday, Nov 17, 2002 at 01:00
Point taken and I agree with your thought process.

Welcome Glyn !
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Follow Up By: Glyn - Monday, Nov 18, 2002 at 01:00

Monday, Nov 18, 2002 at 01:00
Thanks for the welcome guys.
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Reply By: mudgutz - Saturday, Nov 16, 2002 at 01:00

Saturday, Nov 16, 2002 at 01:00
actually allyn is dead right ...hes a pome allright .....judging from his posts on insults he stutters when hes cranky..lol.......whatever you buy
enjoy it and come see our great country you will never leave
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Reply By: Derek - Sunday, Nov 17, 2002 at 01:00

Sunday, Nov 17, 2002 at 01:00
Hi Glyn. Firstly, allow me to apologize for the rudeness of some of the postings on this forum. I can assure you that the vast majority of Australians will welcome you once you arrive. Look on the bright side though, you're lucky you aren't American then you really would have copped it. All of the sensible things said above are quite correct with respect to vehicle choice. Try and buy something that is coil sprung and diesel powered. Toyotas are more expensive to buy than say a Nissan but when you come to sell the Toyota you will get more for it. It's your decision. My advice is that when you get settled here, join a 4wd club before you buy the car and hitch a lift on their trips. This way you will see how the various cars, the accessories and the camping methods perform. Also (and I don't mean to dent your national pride) don't buy anything Rover. Reliability is an accessory. That comment is going to upset a lot of Rover owners but as a former mechanic and a 4wd club member the most common vehicles to break down on club outings are the Rovers. You could write a book about how to prepare a foreigner for an outback holiday and you still wouldn't touch the sides so simply get yourself here and research your trips thoroughly until you get the feel of the place. Oh, 2 tips for when you get here, due to your predecessors, don't complain (or at least not in a pommie accent) and secondly be prepared for a razzing. It really is all in fun though. Copya. Derek.(Yes my Dad was a 10 pound passage Pom)
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