100 Series IFS T/D Suspension
Submitted: Monday, Aug 08, 2005 at 12:30
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Trekkie
My shockies need replacing - after Simpson &
Cape York, 4 shockies (Tough Dog) have died. Also Torsion Bars have sagged and on their last adjustment. I dont want to use Tough Dogs again. I reckon the Dogs are Poodles. (Were replaced once before and now the dealer does not want to know me)
What to do ?????
I plan on keeping the rear springs that already have Polyairs fitted.
Replace Shockies all round
New Torsion Bars
Rear Shocks Stone Guards
Control Arm fix
I would appreciate any advice - I assume the rear Springs will be OK if I dont replace them.
Have discussed with ARB (Nitrocharger), Pedders (Trak Ryder) and TJM
Prices range from approx $1300 to $1800 with ARB being the best price.
How good are the Nitrochargers - Does anyone have experience with Trak Ryder (foam cell)
We spend a lot of time OFF road and tow a camper van
Reply By: Member - Gary W (VIC) - Monday, Aug 08, 2005 at 13:14
Monday, Aug 08, 2005 at 13:14
I have an IFS Cruiser too. I have OME
suspension all round - The OME T'Bars appear to be
well researched and not as stiff as others (which increases the pressure on the 'A' arms) - Have done 30,000ks including a Oodnatatta track, Simpson D trip and more than a few
Vic High Country trips. I haven't done the preventative fix for the 'A' arm yet but plan to use the Darren McRea (
Geelong) fix which includes welding the arms and welding the strengthener (There are others who do this too) - I'm a bit of a skeptic that simply fitting the ARB bracket is enough. I'd be happy to recommend the OME setup but would consider an 'A'arm fix that includes welding.
Gaz
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Follow Up By: Paul.S - Monday, Aug 08, 2005 at 16:19
Monday, Aug 08, 2005 at 16:19
Hi Gary,
I also have a IFS 100 and I was just wondering if you could give me Darren McRea in
Geelong details. I am in
Melbourne and I am interested in the fix for thr" A" arm or speaking to some one about it.
Thanks Paul.
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Follow Up By: Member - Gary W (VIC) - Monday, Aug 08, 2005 at 17:50
Monday, Aug 08, 2005 at 17:50
Ref here
Gaz
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Follow Up By: Big Kidz (Andrew & Jen) - Monday, Aug 08, 2005 at 20:01
Monday, Aug 08, 2005 at 20:01
Got
mine done by Darren McRae in
Geelong... did a fantastic job and
well worth the peace of mind. Had a great day too looking around
Geelong - went to Bunnings, Rays, Dick Smith, Super Cheap.....
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Reply By: Leroy - Monday, Aug 08, 2005 at 13:31
Monday, Aug 08, 2005 at 13:31
A shock absorber expert told me to stay away from foam cell shocks becasue the foam cell degrades every time the shock is over heated. He said gas are always the go. When they cool down after over heating they perform exactly the same as prior to over heating.
Just a question about the torsion bars but if you run out of adjustment can't you take them out, back off the adjustment and turn the t/b's a bit further around (as they are on a spline) and then readjust them? Does that make sense?
Leroy
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Follow Up By: Trekkie - Monday, Aug 08, 2005 at 14:45
Monday, Aug 08, 2005 at 14:45
Thanks Leroy
Not sure about your theory on torsion bars - I would think that if they start to sag, then the bars have a twisted and the steel has probably become weaker. I have never heard of a torsion bar breaking, but I am sure that could happen if it was twisted enough.
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Follow Up By: Member - Davoe (Widgiemooltha) - Monday, Aug 08, 2005 at 23:35
Monday, Aug 08, 2005 at 23:35
Had one in a valiant break while reversing out of the driveway
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Reply By: Member - Stan (VIC) - Monday, Aug 08, 2005 at 14:42
Monday, Aug 08, 2005 at 14:42
Trekkie,
If you are planning to go to Simpson and &
Cape York or similar
places in
near feature, I would have a look at Bilstein shocks with Lovells
springs setup. I have used through the Simpson and they haven't missed a bit.
The ARB setup is OK untill you heavilly load the car and will sag after that...
Stan
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Follow Up By: Drew - Karratha - Tuesday, Aug 09, 2005 at 15:11
Tuesday, Aug 09, 2005 at 15:11
Like Stan, I have Bilsteins and Lovells fitted to my 80 Series. So far it has performed great on all sorts of tracks. I had
mine fitted by West Coast Suspensions in
Fremantle.
Drew
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Reply By: Member - Bob - Monday, Aug 08, 2005 at 15:26
Monday, Aug 08, 2005 at 15:26
Trekkie,
I have a 100 series Cruiser, live axle not IFS. Have always used ARB springs, Polyairs and OME Nitrochargers.
After a lot of thought, in June I fitted ARB LTR shocks before heading off on my latest 13000k run from
Sydney to the Gulf,
Darwin, GRR to
Broome, Tanami & the Plenty. (also towed a
Kimberley Kamper and these days do 15000-18000 k's a year on a variety of outback roads & tracks)
LTR's cost more and need servicing, but the improvement in ride on all surfaces was spectacular.
I rate them as probably the best value for money of any modification I have ever fitted.
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Reply By: ADM - Monday, Aug 08, 2005 at 15:59
Monday, Aug 08, 2005 at 15:59
I have used OME in the past and found them to fad to quickly.
Based on my expereince you cant go past Konis. I and several friends use them and I we have never had one fail. My father just put them on his 04 cruiser and Top Performance Products in Melb were fantastic with their information.
I know you are in WA but give them a call and ask some questions, $1500 is a lot of money you are not happy with the result.
Cheers
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Reply By: at4x4 - Monday, Aug 08, 2005 at 18:28
Monday, Aug 08, 2005 at 18:28
Darren from
Geelong here,
we have 2 successful options for the 100 series, one, using OME t bars, and bilstien shocks, and using original toyota shock rubbers and bushes all around, as they last better than any aftermarket unit, and fixing the front A arm cracking issue at the same time, and the Bilstien shocks really are the premiumpackage for performance, ride comfort, with velocity controlled valving, so ride is good fast/slow, loaded or unloaded.
NExt option for those on a a tighter budget is OME T bars and ridepro shocks, who do them to suit the 100 with proper top mounts, and fix the cracking A arm problem as
well.
Anyone can feel free to give me a call 0352 216599 anytime to discuss.
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Follow Up By: viz - Monday, Aug 08, 2005 at 22:06
Monday, Aug 08, 2005 at 22:06
Darren - big Billie fan from years on a Rangie. Got a LC100 now with airsprings (air bags, not Polairs) about to go on the rear - how would the Bilsteins go? The Word that I have heard is that gas shocks are *not* the go for airsprings - would hope that is not the case.
/viz
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Follow Up By: at4x4 - Tuesday, Aug 09, 2005 at 08:56
Tuesday, Aug 09, 2005 at 08:56
Actually the very opposite on the Bilstiens, because they have velocity controlled valving, they will control the ever changing spring rate of air bags much better than a "set rate" shock .
They also work very
well with polyairs etc, for the same reasons, but we normally fit the shocks here, for those who dont always believe what the retailer tells them, and are more than happy to fit something else, after we let them test drive the vehicle, before paying, to ensure it is everything we said it was.
We havent had to remove anything we have fitted using this policy, to ensure the customer is happy as yet.
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Reply By: Member - Dr Jim (Syd) - Monday, Aug 08, 2005 at 23:09
Monday, Aug 08, 2005 at 23:09
Just a thought. We also have a 100TD which was set-up with OME's, but after Simpson,
Oodnadatta track and a few other rough trips, they blew their oil seals half way across the Anne Beadell Hwy, which anyone who has travelled the ABH will tell you is very hard on
suspension. The conclusion from several colleagues around the country, and Nick Mannell at Thornleigh in
Sydney after his Outback Challenge experiences is that most brands of shockers are really a consumable item after about 5000 kms of very rough stuff on the heavieer 4WD's, and believe you me, the Anne Beadell Hwy contains some very nasty corrugations.
Just a thought!
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