Diesel quality in Sydney

Submitted: Monday, Dec 09, 2002 at 01:00
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Just wondering if anyone has done quality testing of the Diesel in Sydney

Petrol price varies on a weekly basis +-15cents

Diesle though (from what I have noticed) ranges from 87cpl (Privateer pumps) to 98.9cpl (Shell's BP's) but is always pretty much stable at each station.

The average seems to be around the 94, 95

I heard the cheaper ones can contain detergants...and that the colours can range from black to yellow?
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Reply By: Jan - Monday, Dec 09, 2002 at 01:00

Monday, Dec 09, 2002 at 01:00
I can't give you a scientific or technical response but my experience is that discounted diesel usually results in lots of smoke and zero grunt uphills. I always try to buy diesel from the larger operators. The difference in performance with cheaper fuel is very noticable.
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Follow Up By: Oziexplorer - Tuesday, Dec 10, 2002 at 01:00

Tuesday, Dec 10, 2002 at 01:00
Take a look at this:
http://www.bp.com.au/products/fuels/bp_ecoultra/eco.asp
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Follow Up By: Paul - Tuesday, Dec 10, 2002 at 01:00

Tuesday, Dec 10, 2002 at 01:00
Hi,

CalledBP on the Eco Ultra if anyone interested

Currently standard in Australia is diesel can have a maximum of 5000ppm of Sulphur content.

Typical diesel has 1300ppm

Jan 2003 - QLD and WA will be moving to the 50ppm (BP Eco Ultra)

Jan 2003 - NSW will be moving to 500ppm (didn't mention what the other States or Territories are doing)

Come 2006 ALL States must supply 50ppm Diesel
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Reply By: Truckster - Tuesday, Dec 10, 2002 at 01:00

Tuesday, Dec 10, 2002 at 01:00
Paul, no matter how tempting steer clear of the no name brand servos.

they usually get fuel delivered in unmarked trucks, with christ knows whats in them.

Up to you, but I tried the Safeway stuff a few times, and its not worth it, no power, and didnt get anywhere as many klms per tank.

Annoyin as it is, I saw diesel for 83 the other day in a no name blue and white joint, then went to Shell and it was 96.9...

That hurts

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Follow Up By: Oziexplorer - Tuesday, Dec 10, 2002 at 01:00

Tuesday, Dec 10, 2002 at 01:00
Truckster, do you really think that Safeway/Woolworths would be supplying bodgy/touched up fuel? I don't think so. They could not afford the scandal. Financially, the damage would be worse than cheating a few cents from the fuel.
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Follow Up By: Sambo - Tuesday, Dec 10, 2002 at 01:00

Tuesday, Dec 10, 2002 at 01:00
Oziexplorer, They may not be intentionly tampering with their fuel but they are defianently buying from a cheaper and suss source as my brother is a mechanic and 2 other friends own their own workshops, and they all report that 9 out of 10 cars they see suffering fuel related problems have purchased their fuel from these outlets. Now they gives me reason enough to stay away from them as to rebuild a diesel engine after its had a load of crap fuel is not worth the extra $5 or so at the pump once a week or so.
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Follow Up By: Truckster - Tuesday, Dec 10, 2002 at 01:00

Tuesday, Dec 10, 2002 at 01:00
Ozi,

they would just plead dumb... We just call the supplier yadda yadda, they do with it what they will..

I'll pay more, and be happy with a good runnin car!

take care.
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Follow Up By: Truckster - Tuesday, Dec 10, 2002 at 01:00

Tuesday, Dec 10, 2002 at 01:00
Ozi,

they would just plead dumb... We just call the supplier yadda yadda, they do with it what they will..

I'll pay more, and be happy with a good runnin car!

take care.
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Reply By: OziExplorer - Tuesday, Dec 10, 2002 at 01:00

Tuesday, Dec 10, 2002 at 01:00
Truckster, reply received from Safeway/Woolworths +Petrol Head Office Today:

> Can you please advise if you are adding ethanol or any other additive to
> extend your petrol and diesel?
Reply:
Woolworths do not currently add ethanol or any other volume extender to
petrol or automotive diesel fuel.

> Can you please also advise if you have ever released any statements about
> extending petrol or diesel with ethanol?
Reply:
Woolworths is awaiting the outcome of the investigation by Environment
Australia into the use of ethanol in petrol and will abide by its
recommendations.

> If you have added ethanol as a petrol extender, at what percentage has it
> been added at?
Reply:
In the past Woolworths have used ethanol in Premium Unleaded Petrol
supplied out of Port Botany; this is no longer the case. The maximum
amount used was 10 vol.%

> Whose fuel do you use? I have seen the Toll Transport tanker filling up
> your Albury outlet?
Reply
About 40% of Woolworths fuel is imported from south-east Asian refineries
[other majors in Australia also import product from these refineries], 60%
is obtained form Australian refineries.

> When can we expect diesel fuel of this standard:
> at your outlets,
> and how will we know?
Reply:
Petrol and Automotive Diesel Fuel supplied by Woolworths meets the
mandatory product specifications as required by Environment Australia.
These standards cover the environmental and operability requirements
deemed necessary for the Australian motor vehicle population. For
marketing reasons some other companies offer product which exceeds these
requirements.

> Do you guarantee the standard of your diesel and petrol and what are the
> parameters of your specifications?
Reply:
Yes we guarantee our products will meet the mandatory product
specifications as required by Environment Australia [EA]. These
specification can be viewed on the EA website

> Yes, I buy your fuel, but I am tired of the rumors around.
> Personally, I cannot believe Woolworths would be that dumb
> to allow fuel to be sold not up to a certain specification
> or standard. I buy both petrol and diesel at your outlet,
> and have never had a problem that I know off.
Reply:
Thanks for this positive feed back. Your logic is spot on, we take product
quality very seriously . Part of our problem is the general association of
low price with poor quality. We work hard to ensure our product quality
and investigate customer quality issues when they arise. We try to be fair
and objective when looking at customer product quality issues.
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Follow Up By: Truckster - Tuesday, Dec 10, 2002 at 01:00

Tuesday, Dec 10, 2002 at 01:00
Nice letter.

Dont believe, it doesnt work in my car, or plenty of mates cars!

Also as if they are going to tell you their fuel is full of bleep te ? ?

but good work anyway.. Im sticking with 5-8cpl more and buy Mobil/Shell/BP/Caltex etc...
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Follow Up By: Oziexplorer - Wednesday, Dec 11, 2002 at 01:00

Wednesday, Dec 11, 2002 at 01:00
Truckster, you obviously have more money than brains!
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