Diesel gas
Submitted: Tuesday, Aug 16, 2005 at 20:42
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Stew K
Hi Guys,
New to this
forum love reading through the posts, heaps of good info.
Has anybody had a gas conversion done on thier diesel 4wd? If so is it any good and what are the pros and cons? Seems like a good conversion if you believe www.dieselgas.com.au. Also does anyone know of a place in QLD that will do it preferably someone on Far North QLD. Contacted a few gas conversion palces but they will only convert petrol engines.
Thanks.
Reply By: Bootha - Tuesday, Aug 16, 2005 at 21:28
Tuesday, Aug 16, 2005 at 21:28
Stew,
Have not heard of these in smaller engines but some truck companies having been using gas in their engines for some time now. The gas does not get used on it's own as in petrol engined vehicles, rather it is seeded in with the diesel in small amounts to help burn the fuel more efficiently. It does seem to work in these large engines but I would like to see some
miles done in testing before I hook my 4.2 cruiser up. Off to have a look at that web site.
Bootha.
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Follow Up By: Dion - Wednesday, Aug 17, 2005 at 00:30
Wednesday, Aug 17, 2005 at 00:30
Bootha,
the gas is not seeded in or any other word that describes the gas entering the combustion chamber with the diesel fuel.
The gas is admitted and mixed with the charge air, into the combustion chamber to aid in efficient combustion of the diesel.
Cheers,
Dion.
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Follow Up By: Bootha - Wednesday, Aug 17, 2005 at 09:59
Wednesday, Aug 17, 2005 at 09:59
Dion, That is what I understood but obviously my laymans terms did not describe it
well. Thanks for
clearing that up. Do you do this sort of work Dion?
Bootha
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Follow Up By: Dion - Wednesday, Aug 17, 2005 at 14:20
Wednesday, Aug 17, 2005 at 14:20
Bootha,
I don't do these conversions. The diesel engines I work with have more cubic capacity per cylinder than both of my Rodeo's put together, (and then some).
Cheers,
Dion.
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Reply By: Member - Jay Gee (WA) - Tuesday, Aug 16, 2005 at 21:55
Tuesday, Aug 16, 2005 at 21:55
Suggest you also contact LOVATO Autogas for more information
South Australia - Kingsley Songer (08) 8340 2366 lovato@senet.com.au
West Australia - Mark Collins (08) 92964591 markcollins@bigpond.com
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Follow Up By: cabbageoz - Tuesday, Aug 16, 2005 at 23:20
Tuesday, Aug 16, 2005 at 23:20
You could ring Metropolitan Autogas in
Brisbane 0732560333 and talk to Scott. I used to work there and we did a few diesels
Cabbage
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Reply By: robak (QLD) - Wednesday, Aug 17, 2005 at 09:31
Wednesday, Aug 17, 2005 at 09:31
Stew
I am not 100% sure on this so someone can correct me.
As far as I know there are two different diesel to "gas" conversions.
One is adding LPG to diesel, which apparently gives more power and better combustion.
The other, is running the diesel engine purely on natural gas not LPG. Most
brisbane city council buses run their diesel engines on natural gas. Try giving them a call.
Cheers
R.
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Follow Up By: Dion - Wednesday, Aug 17, 2005 at 14:24
Wednesday, Aug 17, 2005 at 14:24
Robak,
for LPG to be used in the manner described, it would need to be admitted to the fuel injection system under, and maintained under high pressures for it to be in liquid form for injection. If the LPG boiled off and became gas, then you have a mix of gas and liquid that you would be trying to inject, which wouldn't work terribaly
well at all, plus it could rob the pintles in the injector of vital lubrication that the diesel provides.
It is better to just use gas admitted to the charge air where it will do a better job assisting the combustion of diesel.
Cheers,
Dion.
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Reply By: Member - Duncs - Wednesday, Aug 17, 2005 at 15:11
Wednesday, Aug 17, 2005 at 15:11
Again I am no expert on this but
Sydney Buses have been running quite a number of buses in their fleet on natural gas for some time.
Also a mate of
mine worked on an installation at the
Appin Colliery where they installed about 100 "diesel" generators to power the
mine and put a bit of power into the state
grid. The engines ran, still run, on Methane from the
mine. There is a similar but smaller installation at the Menai Tip in southern
Sydney.
If you contact Energy Power Systems they may be able to help. Head Office is in
Melbourne. That is where my mate is working these days. They may be able to help you too.
Duncs
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Follow Up By: Member - Duncs - Wednesday, Aug 17, 2005 at 15:25
Wednesday, Aug 17, 2005 at 15:25
Just to add to my reply. I think they run on either gas or diesel. I don't think you can have the luxury of dual fuel.
Also the availability of naural gas for vehicle use is very limited and would seriously restrict your area of operation.
Duncs
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Reply By: Stew K - Wednesday, Aug 17, 2005 at 16:07
Wednesday, Aug 17, 2005 at 16:07
Thanks for all the feedback guys. Still sounds like a good conversion in that you can still run the vehicle on diesel if the gas runs out when you are in remote areas. Not sure why more Gas conversion
places are not doing it sounds like there is an opportunity for someone. Will look into Metropolitan Gas, thanks Cabbage.
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Reply By: Member - John C (QLD) - Thursday, Aug 18, 2005 at 08:15
Thursday, Aug 18, 2005 at 08:15
Friend tried it on his light truck - about an 8 tonner.
System was to start on diesel, and there was always a small amount of diesel injected for ignition, meanwhile gas was injected inot the inlet port.
There was some fancy controls to ensure that extra gas was added as more power was needed, and that the engine idled on diesel.
After a year and a good 30,000k gave it up. Too many problems with the gas/diesel ratio being right. On a truck paying for it's living, it can't afford to be off the road to often getting things fixed.
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Reply By: ynotb - Friday, Aug 19, 2005 at 05:48
Friday, Aug 19, 2005 at 05:48
Hey stew, Have just looked into it also sounds good but the initial price seems a bit steep($3300.00 for 80 series) would need to keep vehicle for a while to recoup costs.Gas
tank is approx 20% the size of main and sub if fitted and the setup is computer controled.
cheers tony.
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Follow Up By: Stew K - Friday, Aug 19, 2005 at 21:32
Friday, Aug 19, 2005 at 21:32
Yeah Tony the initial cost is high but going off the www.dieselgas.com.au website if you travel 20 000klms a year it would pay for iyself in about 18 months. There seems to be so many advantages of this conversion like lower fuel costs, keeping the engine cleaner, more power, better range etc compared to other options like aftermarket turbo and petrol LPG. Again I really wonder why more
places are'nt doing it. I just wish dieselgas was'nt so far away from
Cairns!
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