Logbook Service Deception

Submitted: Thursday, Aug 18, 2005 at 15:08
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BE WARNED - With log Book Servicing you are not not getting what you think you are paying for. This is a long story that I will try to keep as short as I can. I'll start at the beginning of my woes but the latest saga will be of interest to anyone with a Patrol or any other type of Nissan for that matter.

The sales department gave me a great price and I eagerly bought my first Brand New Patrol, a TD6 about 12 months ago . Third in a long line of happy Patrol ownership where I serviced them all to death. However my joy was short lived as I have had trouble with the Local Nissan Dealer in Nowra conducting servicing or fitting accessories to my car since day one. Now Nissan HQ is wading in to the muddy water further.

When I purchased it they fitted the ARB Bar, Safari Snorkel and Nissan Cargo Barrier amongst other accessories. Many needed some reworking to get it right. Seal snorkle properly. Realign bar and install all of the bolts that are meant to be there and ensure the airbag in not compromised.

However, the mauling they gave my brand new car to fit the Cargo Barrie goes beyond comprehension. They drilled numerous holes in the wrong spots and did not even bother to fill them with a grommet (they went straight outside under the car) let alone treat the bare edges left behind or clean up the metal waste. They drilled into the subtank filler pipe and left that open also, we are talking fairly big holes and you could obviously see what had happened. Ultimately the Cargo Barrier fitting compromised the structural strenghth in a way that it would not provide saftey to my children in the middle row of seats.

Needles to say I was furious and suggested that they replace my vehicle. That got their attention. This resulted in an agreement that they would service my car free for the first of 100 000km or 3 years by way of compensation (yes I got it in writing).

First Service (1000km) and they missed a host of things including the valve clearances (tappets). When they did do this after I showed that the service log has it listed specifically for my car, they did it but dented hell out of the intercooler fins. Not happy Jan and I kept a close eye on my subsequent servings.

After many staff changes at the dealer in goes the trusty TD6 for a 40k service and I was still wary but feeling that I was getting what I was entitled to - WRONG!! It comes back minus the Tappets Being done again!! Along with numerous other items listed in "the book" that were not done including replacing the brake fluid despite stating that it was done on the work order.

I got them to do the items missed, apparently inadvertantly by a junior member again, but they still did not do the CV joints in the front axle that are specifically listed for the Y61. They state that it is not in the Nissan schedule provided separately for each servicing. I show them what tha log book says (page M23 if you are interested) and they hav no idea of what it is or how to do it ie they have never done it.

This is where Nissan comes in after I ring custmer service and the dealer rings the Service Rep for NSW. Nissan Rep rings me after several weeks of deliberation and asks why I think the CV needs to be serviced. I point out it is specifically listed in the log book and on their web site as a normal service item for the 40k service. That is it is not for severe operation. He sheepishliy states he will get back to me.

He does get back to me and states that this maintenance is only for vehicles that are assessed as needing it. When I ask how this is done he replies by the servive department. The same incompetent bunch that miss what they are supposed to do. That can not wield a spanner with any degree of certainty. You must be joking says I. No says the official Nissan Service Rep thats why we have free wheeling hubs. But what if I have left my hubs in for 40k? Still wont done says he, not for any servicing anytime unless you want to pay for the approx 3.8 hrs labour to get it done.

I asked what Nissan intended to do about this issue as there were many people getting less than they expected out of this. Also that ultimately if the CV is not serviced then it will fail where owners would expect it not to. He said if anyone had a problem with this then they should contact Nissan Customer Service about it.

So here is your chance to ring Nissan and complain. The official line is that it wont get done. Anyone paying for a 40k service (or 80, 120, 160...) would expect it to get done as the log book states it is part or the service. If they were honest in telling you its not done you could choose to leave it, do it yourself or pay someone else to do it. I rekon that is as close to fraud as it can be and that Nissan need to know that.

I will fight with my local dealer some more and recommend that anyone take a good look at what they are actually getting compared to what their logbook says.

told you it was long!
JamieMac
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Reply By: Brian B (QLD) - Thursday, Aug 18, 2005 at 15:18

Thursday, Aug 18, 2005 at 15:18
Jamie,

That whole episode sucks.

I still can't get over the effort from brand new with the installation of the cargo barrier. Mate I know hindsight is a wonderful thing but I think that is where the rot really set in and it may have been a better option to force the issue then as opposed to now after a lot for stress for yourself over Nissan providing you with shoddy service.

Hope it all improves for you.
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Follow Up By: JamieMac - Thursday, Aug 18, 2005 at 15:36

Thursday, Aug 18, 2005 at 15:36
Brian

yep it sucks big time. Despite my having a major whinge, the main point is to let others know what a farce the log books are in relation to getting your car serviced suitably for how you use it.

As for hindsight and stress? All I can say is get me outta here!!

Cheers
jamie
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Reply By: joc45 - Thursday, Aug 18, 2005 at 15:33

Thursday, Aug 18, 2005 at 15:33
Hi Jamie,
yeh, I had the same problems trying to get them to do the cv joints. The book says it has to be done, but they don't do it, and say it's not in their schedule. But they offer to do it, like you say, for lots of extra dollars if one really wants it done. Two Nissan dealers I've encountered have told me the same during the vehicle's servicing.
Like you, I spoke to Nissan in Vic but they also confirmed that it didn't need to be done. Someone's lying, as the schedule in the book is for normal vehicle use, with more frequent servicing when under heavy use. I've since had them done, but not at Nissan.
Other important service things have been missed, maladjusted or wrongly re-fitted after a service, so I get my vehicle serviced elsewhere now.
I chuckled at your story of the accessory fitting blunders. I recall when my father bought a base-model L300 4wd van some years ago and had side windows fitted. The fitter, in using his jigsaw to cut out the window holes neatly cut a hole thru the spare tyre, mounted on the rear inside wall. And one sliding window was reverse-fitted to catch all the rain, delivering the water into the vehicle. Not happy!
Good luck with your campaign - I've given up with them.
Gerry
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Reply By: Nudenut - Thursday, Aug 18, 2005 at 15:35

Thursday, Aug 18, 2005 at 15:35
i bet your starting to wish you made them swap cars as you wanted earlier
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Follow Up By: JamieMac - Friday, Aug 19, 2005 at 08:15

Friday, Aug 19, 2005 at 08:15
I am sure they would have had lawyers at 10 paces if it came down to that
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Reply By: garrycol - Thursday, Aug 18, 2005 at 15:42

Thursday, Aug 18, 2005 at 15:42
I think it is time to alert Fair Trading in NSW
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Reply By: Member - Banjo The First (SA) - Thursday, Aug 18, 2005 at 16:01

Thursday, Aug 18, 2005 at 16:01
Had much the same with my dealer - the more you check the more you find undone - and you are right - it is close to fraud - I even had undone items listed on the invoice that they gave me as a receipt - fraud is technically "knowingly" ripping us off - but they always will get away with the "genuine mistake" line. Its sick, but ver, very common. I've had nothing whatsoever to do with my dealer since mid warranty !
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Reply By: Member -Dodger - Thursday, Aug 18, 2005 at 16:43

Thursday, Aug 18, 2005 at 16:43
Sad story,
Enough to make one realy mad.
If you are a member of the NRMA contact there legal dep and get the ball rolling.
You will probably get a different tune from them also consumer affairs and the site

www.notgoodenough.org

www.mynrma.com

Try everyone that you can think of including ACA.

I service my vehicle entirely myself and anything that I do not have the equipment for get it done at Ultratune who will do it by the book for you and it stays under warranty.
I used to have a handle on life, but it broke.

Cheers Dodg.

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Reply By: Member - George (WA) - Thursday, Aug 18, 2005 at 17:29

Thursday, Aug 18, 2005 at 17:29
OH WHAT A FEELING.......TOYOTA

Just kidding, bet they have just as many service problems
I never get the dealers to service my car, they only stick apprentices on std. services
Hope you get satisfaction from the crooks
Cheers
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Follow Up By: JamieMac - Friday, Aug 19, 2005 at 08:13

Friday, Aug 19, 2005 at 08:13
I had a Rav4 several years ago as well aas my previous Patrol (proves I am not so one eyed heh). Their servicing department had issues also. It is an industry wide issue I think and all those who have no idea are being ripped off blissfully unaware of what is not being done.

JamieMac
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Reply By: MAVERICK(WA) - Thursday, Aug 18, 2005 at 19:22

Thursday, Aug 18, 2005 at 19:22
many many yeasr ago - a celica (and i know it's not a 4wd but it's my story) was purchased new from a country wa dealer - in for a service and on a quick trip to perth the brakes went all spongy. into a dealer in perth and - 'mate your fluid is shot'. this was after 5000kms. change fluid and back to the bush and time for another service. this time at the prompting of some mates a number of bolts and covers were marked - the ones that should have been removed to do the service. you guessed it - not touched - except for my wallet. into the manager and it was my fault for being such a pr!ck to do that and anyway no-one else had ever complained and if you don't like go away. not happy so a call to toyota australia and nothing so a call to toyota japan and - lots of apologies and a box of goodies and free servicing and a hefty discount of a new fj40 (had bogged the celica too many times by then trying to go fishing...). so don't screw around with the dealer or nissan melbourne - ring nissan japan and let fly - you have nothing to lose. rgds
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Follow Up By: tessa_51 - Friday, Aug 19, 2005 at 07:38

Friday, Aug 19, 2005 at 07:38
WA country dealer - Port Hedland???? When I took my truck in there with a hole in the sub fuel tank the service manager told me to "go down to Repco and buy some metal puty and put that in".
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Reply By: hl - Thursday, Aug 18, 2005 at 19:47

Thursday, Aug 18, 2005 at 19:47
Hi.....
Just be grateful the DIDN'T do it. The less they touch it, the better, believe me.
I certainly would not have insisted to have the valve clearances done that early. As for CV's, I sold my previous GU and they had not been done in 140,000. The front wheel bearing were first done at 95,000 and my (trusted) mechanic said they would have been ok anyway.
(my truck is currently at the local dealership to have 5th gear done under warranty) They have had it for 15 days now and still no end in sight. Warranty jobs are very LOW priority, especially if you are not the original owner.
As for NRMA Legal, ACCC, Fair Trading... better check it out but I have been told you have almost no comeback. If they say it will take 10 years to get parts, you just have to cop it sweet......
And if you want to make it on TV.... just consider how much they spend on advertising. The TV stations (or radio for that matter) will not poo on their own door step, will they? They only take on the little guys, or maybe Telstra if they haven't got their account.

Good luck, just back off and enjoy your truck while it's running. Change the engine oil, filters etc regularly and be happy!

Cheers
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Reply By: Member - Chris M (QLD) - Thursday, Aug 18, 2005 at 20:20

Thursday, Aug 18, 2005 at 20:20
I posted a warning probably 54 years ago about the 1st 3 services on my TD6 when serviced by Nissan. Missed everything and charged a packet. I reverted to using my trusted mechanic who did everything right...at half the price. If I was you, I agree with the above, who would want to get the beast serviced at Nissan anymore anyway!

Fight it, make em' pay for the services by a trusted mechanic as agreed to 100k but never take it back.

Cheers
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Reply By: GUPatrol - Thursday, Aug 18, 2005 at 20:21

Thursday, Aug 18, 2005 at 20:21
JamieMac,

A coworker of mine had a similar experience but with an Xtrail.
He bought it in Sydney, the fitment of the cargo barrier and numerous other things were awful.
To cut a long story short (similar to yours), he finally involved Nissan Head Office (I must say that most of these problems are dealer related and NIssan Head office is quite good).
Nissan Head office took the car back, removed all the trimmings and everything which had been compromised and replaced it all along with all new accessories.

What happened to him also was that he picked the accessories he wanted from the Nissan accessories list but he got some cheapo accessories instead.

I am surpised that you agreed to the free servicing because after that shonky work if they offered me work for free I would not let them touch my car again (In fact that is what I did) when I bought my Patrol and they stuffed up at the 1000kms service...
Nissan Dealers have not seen my car since and it has been fine, 210000 trouble free kms.

I would say, stop taking it to them and get in touch with Nissan Head office
Will
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Follow Up By: chel - Friday, Aug 19, 2005 at 05:10

Friday, Aug 19, 2005 at 05:10
Hi, Just curios as to how they stuffed up your 1000klm service. We recently had ours done but how would I know what they did or didn't do? What do I look for, we were deliberating as to weather to get nissan to do our regular services or just go back to our trusted mechanic, I'm more convinced to go back to our main mechanic or is the nissan thing an isolated occurance. Thanks Michele
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Follow Up By: JamieMac - Friday, Aug 19, 2005 at 08:20

Friday, Aug 19, 2005 at 08:20
Yeah I shoulda taken goods or cash instead but they were keen on this and it keeps the log book up to date by Nissan. I would otherwise do the servicing myself and keep records but what is the first thing people look for in the glove box - log books!! So I was hooked.

Now they are not inclined to renegotiate the deal from the servicing and the dealership has changed hands and they threatened to back out of the deal. I have it in writing so I see that I am a creditor and that they would be unable to do that but its more frustration to take the pricks on.

JamieMac
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Reply By: Ted (Cairns) - Thursday, Aug 18, 2005 at 21:45

Thursday, Aug 18, 2005 at 21:45
And it's the same with Toyota. Bought the truck secondhand and took it to them for 40,000k service. BIG mistake. After finding the 6th item not done (and of course I had been charged - and they CHARGE) I lost patience and took it back. Apologies etc, bring it back in. Did it again (or so they say). When I came back to pick up the truck, they had forgotten to replace some plastic bits which were lying on the seats! Oops sorry says the service manager...

Then they give you this questionnaire: will you use us for the next service? YEAH RIGHT!
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Follow Up By: Ted (Cairns) - Thursday, Aug 18, 2005 at 22:14

Thursday, Aug 18, 2005 at 22:14
BTW, that was not in Cairns. I haven't dealt with the dealers here yet, but after this previous experience I think I'll avoid it as much as possible.
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Reply By: Flash - Thursday, Aug 18, 2005 at 23:11

Thursday, Aug 18, 2005 at 23:11
Sad story but old news I'm afraid.
My 15 year old Patrol has never had a problem....... and has never been to a dealer. Not ever. I service it myself as that way I know it's done properly.
Can't do it yourself or don't have the time- ask around and find a mechanic you can trust (Good luck!)
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Follow Up By: JamieMac - Friday, Aug 19, 2005 at 08:10

Friday, Aug 19, 2005 at 08:10
Flash

I agree mate, I serviced my previous Patrols myself and they were mechanically A1 for a collective 20 years. My interest here is that they will do the servicing for nix but I am still getting f***ed around by them. It seems I know more about Patrol servicing than they do!!

JamieMac
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Reply By: Elsewhere9 - Friday, Aug 19, 2005 at 09:33

Friday, Aug 19, 2005 at 09:33
Exactly why I NEVER take my cars to the dealers for service. They do more damage than good. I once had a Commodore (company car) which over heated on the way home from being serviced. No water in the radiator!!! They forgot to refill it after draining it!!

I now have a local mechanic who specialises in 4WD (and drives one as well). Never had a problem and does an excellent job.

I will stick to the independants everytime.

Cheers,
Greg
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Reply By: Truckster (Vic) - Friday, Aug 19, 2005 at 09:40

Friday, Aug 19, 2005 at 09:40
www.notgoodenough.com.au

also create yourself a webpage with all the info, names and FACTS. then post it on every forum, then post a link to Nissan lackofcustomer service.
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Follow Up By: chump_boy - Friday, Aug 19, 2005 at 10:14

Friday, Aug 19, 2005 at 10:14
I wouldn't place too much faith in www.notgoodenough.com.au

I got my account removed after i had a disagreement with a few of their regular users about 8 months ago. Seems if someone doesn't like what you say, then thats it.

Just be careful when dealing with them......
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Reply By: bgreeni - Friday, Aug 19, 2005 at 19:16

Friday, Aug 19, 2005 at 19:16
A few years ago I had a new LC (Novated lease arrangement). Got it serviced by dealer. Headed out westren NSW next day. After 1000 km noticed cloud of smaoke behind. Found front diff fillwer missing and diff oil spraying back over hot motor. Never did get safisfaction from the dealer, but sold the vehicle a couple of months later to go overseas.

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Reply By: Brett_B - Saturday, Aug 20, 2005 at 18:05

Saturday, Aug 20, 2005 at 18:05
Purchased my first new vehicle 6 years ago (Toyota Hilux Duel cab 2.7P), I had a host of extras fitted by the dealer and their agents, the damage they did to my new truck was sickening.

Everything fitted from Aircon to the snorkel had to be repaired, the japs built a great car, the local guys stuffed it.

Anyway after getting over this inital problem I never took it back to the dealer or any service center, No one touches my truck :-) I do all services/maintenance myself. The Hilux has done 180,000 it is treated with the best oils, its never missed a beat, its been driven over the roughest ground you could amagine.

I have just ordered the new Hilux SR TD, I'm crossing my fingers all will be ok, I have warned the dealer I will take no crap.

This will be my first Diesel, dont understand much about them, scares me to take it to the dealer for service, they probably no as much as me about TD's

Brett
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Reply By: Patrick - Sunday, Aug 21, 2005 at 08:23

Sunday, Aug 21, 2005 at 08:23
The whole lousey mess is because dealers save lots of "service dollars" by using apprentices instead of real mechanics.

My Patrol only saw the inside of the dealership for the first service then my local bloke has looked after it from then with great satisfaction.

Cheers,

Patrick
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