Why denigrate EO site sponsors?

Well said Shaker and Thank you/// I am trying to help ALL drivers//

BILLS

While I dont agree with chitting on them, I think its a brilliant idea for them to take Diamond Jim up on his offer.

If it works he will pay for it. if it doesnt, then he hands it back. What do they have to lose?

Some real world test results by people we know would be worth more to me, than something written on a website.. Not sayin anybody is lying, or fibbing or such, just my thoughts.

Shaker,
I have no problems with sponsors but let's recognise that call them what you may, a sponsor is actually an advertiser.

O.K. Once again I don't have problems with advertisers. Advertisers are "up front",
they are transparent, they tell us, perhaps indirectly, that they have a vested/financial interest in the product/service they are promoting on the site.

I welcome advertisers, they bring new products to the buying public. I need them to let me know whats available out in the big world.
I know that advertisers are seeking my custom/money, again I don't have a problem, whats the point of promoting/advertising and then retailing a product/service if there is no return on the funds invested. I don't provide my services for nil return and I don't expect any sponsor/advertiser to do so.

Now! When we start to get not so subtle plugs and pushes inserted in the chat forum I believe we have we have a totally different scenario, we now have a not so tranparent activity, I believe I have recognised a number of blatant attempts to push product via the forum. We have the situation where we have what are purported to be genuine results or performances from a product being aired by alledgedly genuine users or buyers. When this happens we have moved from the realm of the genuine sponsor/advertiser to someone who is being dishonest to say the least and if they cop flack so be it, they possibly get what they deserve.

You see I believe that in this scene the persons putting those types of posts up are basically treating the other members with contempt. Please don't defend them.

If a guy puts a post up and clearly identifies his financial interest in the product and reason in placing the post then once again we have transparency or in old fashioned talk what might be refered to as honesty. That guy is then entitled to have his post treated with respect.

Ian

Interesting point you raise Shaker.
I agree in general with your sentiment, but we need to be careful of political correctness. If someone has a view on a product, particularly if that view is based on personal experience or observation, they should not have to consider sponsorship of the site, before making a post.

Sponsors should not expect special treatment on the forum. Nore should they expect to see their product denigrated without basis.

In the case you raise, BillS made the initial post in the thread, making a claim about the benefits of the product. In the post, he did not disclose that he is a representative of the company. He appeared to be a private poster with a positive view on the product.

Others came in with negative views. It was not till later that it was disclosed (by someone else) that BillS is a representative and promoter of the product. Under the particular circumstances of the thread you refer to, I think it was fair game for views (positive and negative) to be put.

In general though, I think we should support site sponsors where their product meets our needs.

Bill opened up post 25725 with:

"HERE GOES GUYS,Visited a customer to whom I fitted a fitch F200 to some three weeks ago his vehicle a 2004 turbo diesel rodeo"

To me that was a clear statement that he sells and fits the product. Seems transparent enough to me.

As to whether the product works? Having not tried one I am not prepared to bag it. That would be unfair.

Cheers,

Jim.

here is your proof to prove they dont work
http://www.fuelsaving.info/catalysts.htm
there is proof everwhere against these ripoff devices

I haven't bagged the product, and won't be buying one BUT if someone wants to sponsor / buy space on this site they sponsor the forum AS IS - no ? Have a look at the ads in the fourbie and caravan mags - full of praise - all very palsy - paid ads for XYZ products pages very near a so called - "critical review" of the same etc.
Ads extolling the boundless virtue of this n that with no prices anywhere..... Here, you get feedback from actual product users - taking into account the odd stooge posting, the general info posted here is highly valuable - what you get in the mag adverts is highly suspect !

Gday
Car makers spend big $$ on technology to improve the economy and polution control of their motors. Anything that puts them one step ahead of the competition pays them dividends.
Why dont we have Hiclones and Fitch products standard on all new cars???
Andrew

Bill DID NOT declare his interest up front. He would have been shot to pieces and banned or moderated on other forums.

Had he declared his financial interest from the start I do not believe there would have been a major issue.

I was the one who called him in regard to being the Fitch distributor for Southern NSW. In his original posts he gave no information regarding his affiliation with Fitch. It was fairly obvious at the start that he was involved in some way but I just thought he may have another mechanic reselling these things. He directed me to Fitch's own site particularly in regard to some "independant testing" and it was there I noticed the connection of his username and that of a Fitch representative in a so called independant test. I queried him on the Fitch connection in one post which was ignored and on another separate post (again about Fitch claims) I asked the question again. This time he admitted he was in fact the Fitch distributor.
If he had been more forthcoming from the start and not been making ambit claims about the product he sells he may have been accepted as a normal member. I would hazard a guess however that over 90% of his posts have been about Fitch and some of the claims are optimistic to say the least. His latest being a 50% reduction in emissions to a Rodeo.
He makes his living selling Fitch and he posts here some information which is questionable. If he had just remained at arms length as an advertiser there would have been no problems but he crossed the line trying to actively promote a product (a contentious one at that) on a public forum.
Regards Andrew.

Not a big deal. We all get different benefits from different products.

I think those making a big deal of it should really have a look at there priorities in life. If the fitch doesn't or hasn't worked for you, send it back. And as above, the hiclone in other countries gets raved about. Different climate, different results...who knows.

Have a read of one of the recent four wheel drive magazines about Ute of the Year. Funny the Hilux won against 2 other proven vehicles in it's early stage of release. But we read it, know whats happened and get on with it!

At the end of the day, there's alot more to life than name calling and making issue of something that really doesn't matter. If someone has had some results, let em' post them. If it doesn't work for us, send it back.

having tested them all, including hyclones, before and after turbo, the biggest gain we got was actually from hyclone, in the inlet, on a gq turbo diesel, of 3kw.

On a seperate note, sponsors [advertisers] pay for the ad, and should either leave the ad to do the convincing, or end up in the unfortunate position of this current sponsor [advertiser].

You will find if you do a search of this site (as I did a few months ago) one of Bill's very first post's, he signed on as "Mr Fitch", it wasn't until later, when he became a member that he called himself "Bill.S"
Comparing the content of the posts it wasn't hard to find the connection between the two and realise they were one and the same. It was also obvious that he had a financial interest in the product.
Bill has posted quite a few times without a mention or reference to the product, don't get me wrong, I am not defending the man, as regular readers will know, I have clashed with the man once before, just setting a few of the above comments straight is all.

Avagoodn
Pezza

The original post (by Bill S) has now been deleted. We do not allow posts to be initiated by "advertisers" for the purpose of discussing their products, whether they are advertisers or not.