Prado 120 series

Submitted: Tuesday, Aug 23, 2005 at 13:27
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I am looking at replacing my patrol in the near future with a Gx prado diesel 120 series, would like to add the following mods to it:

Snorkel
Dual Batteries
Arb Bar & driving Lights
OME 40mm lift
gxl alloy wheels + Bfg All terrains

Has anybody had any problems with their Prado or could offer some advice on the vehicles or the modifications I would like to do to it.
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Reply By: flappa - Tuesday, Aug 23, 2005 at 13:39

Tuesday, Aug 23, 2005 at 13:39
There was an issue with the Prado's a while back when they installed Bullbars.

They cut away some of the plastic guard inside the wheel arch , that caused water to get into the engine bay , even in minor puddles.

Dont recall whether it effected Diesels, Petrols , or both.
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Follow Up By: 120scruiser - Wednesday, Aug 24, 2005 at 12:42

Wednesday, Aug 24, 2005 at 12:42
Gday Flappa
That was with a genuine toyota bar.
He wants an arb bar.
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Follow Up By: flappa - Wednesday, Aug 24, 2005 at 15:01

Wednesday, Aug 24, 2005 at 15:01
Sorry , I thought the Genuine bar WAS an ARB bar ?
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Reply By: Charcoal RS - Tuesday, Aug 23, 2005 at 13:57

Tuesday, Aug 23, 2005 at 13:57
I have a GXL petrol auto with the following mods

OME suspension and shocks
Rear air locker (+ front as soon as they are available)
Safari snorkel
ARB Steel bullbar
Lightforce 240 spotties
K&N steel rear step
BFG ATs
Outback drawers
Cargo Barrier

I also had a Patrol prior to getting the Prado. The Prado is definately better, more comfortable and more capable (diff lock you see).
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Follow Up By: DavidT - Tuesday, Aug 23, 2005 at 18:12

Tuesday, Aug 23, 2005 at 18:12
Hi Charcoal

How does it ride with the new shocks i gather there would be no problems with the cv joints or warranty any chance of a couple of pics of your rig, and what do you think about the arb bar.
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Follow Up By: 120scruiser - Wednesday, Aug 24, 2005 at 12:44

Wednesday, Aug 24, 2005 at 12:44
Gday Charcoal RS
I have a new prado, 5 weeks old and I have had an arb bar with winch fitted. Does yours wobble around abit on rough or corrogated rds. I noticed mine does and was wondering if it is normal?
Thanks
120scruiser
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Follow Up By: Charcoal RS - Wednesday, Aug 24, 2005 at 13:01

Wednesday, Aug 24, 2005 at 13:01
DavidT
I have medium springs on the front and the heaviest springs on the rear. The ride is great, I run Nitrochargers but have never tried the others good brands ie Bilstein, Koni etc. ARB will have calc'd the maximum heights I presume so I am happy with the overall result.

120scruiser
Yes the bar definately wobbles around and all of my friends who have Prados and steel bars have the same issue.
If you want to send me you remail address I am happy to send you some pics
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Follow Up By: 120scruiser - Wednesday, Aug 24, 2005 at 14:23

Wednesday, Aug 24, 2005 at 14:23
Thanks Charcoal RS
lonards@bigpond.net.au

David T
I originally fitted medium lovell springs all round with nothing else added. I had a 40mm lift in front and 50mm in rear. When I bolted on the steel ARB bar, 9500lb winch, dual batteries it lowered to only 10mm lift. I then fitted the lovell HD springs and regained the 40mm lift. The ride is great even with the HD springs in the front. I have ECB roof rack, Double stack drawers on one side and fridge on other, 40l water tank and roof console. The rear is still at 50mm lift and when I load it up in a couple of weeks for a desert trip, I am a bit concerned about it drooping in the arse so I am ordering the firestone coilrite air bags for the rear. I don't want to put the HD springs in it as I had them in my 80 series and it was too harsh when empty. I think the air bags are the way to go. I am still running standard toytoa shocks. They are a bit soft but will do for now otherwise if I buy the bilsteins, which is what I want the finance manager will casterate me.
Feel free to email me for photos or any further info.
Cheers
120scruiser
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Reply By: Kalgoorlie Escapee - Tuesday, Aug 23, 2005 at 13:58

Tuesday, Aug 23, 2005 at 13:58
Don't buy the current model. The diesel is the old 3l indirect engine. An update is due soon which uses the 3l direct engine (as per New hilux). Only the current model petrol has the new version of gear boxes (5 sp auto 6 sp manual), so that may be in the update aswell.
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Follow Up By: RAGS AND DAGS - Tuesday, Aug 23, 2005 at 15:03

Tuesday, Aug 23, 2005 at 15:03
Update is not due soon. In fact there is no date even set. All estimates put it at 2007 at the nearest . You see the Hilux is Thai and the Prado is Jap. Different production lines etc etc.

Your information is completely incorrect.

How do I know all of this ?

A close friend is a technical teacher out of Acacia Ridge for Toyota running around teaching all the NTEC courses to the salesman etc.

Buy the current T/D. It is more than capable . Runs out of puff at highway speeds but is quick and responsive down low.
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Follow Up By: Kalgoorlie Escapee - Tuesday, Aug 23, 2005 at 15:29

Tuesday, Aug 23, 2005 at 15:29
Strange new hilux (diesel) has very similar auto box to the updated petrol Prado! European Prados have had the Direct injection for a while(120Kw and 410nm) and also offer a 6 speed manual on the diesel - must come from Thailand also! Proof is on the Toyota sites.
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Follow Up By: RAGS AND DAGS - Tuesday, Aug 23, 2005 at 16:23

Tuesday, Aug 23, 2005 at 16:23
Your information ( or is it guess work ) is obviously better than mine.

I will however take my sources before your whims if you don't mind.
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Follow Up By: pjchris - Wednesday, Aug 24, 2005 at 10:42

Wednesday, Aug 24, 2005 at 10:42
Rags,

It's not guesswork..The D4D engine has been fitted to the English Prado since 2001. Check out the UK Toyota site at http://www.toyota.co.uk
Particularly the engine page here http://tinyurl.com/c9zkf

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Follow Up By: RAGS AND DAGS - Wednesday, Aug 24, 2005 at 12:55

Wednesday, Aug 24, 2005 at 12:55
I never said that it wasn't .

I am saying his stated timeframe for us receieving this motor is BS.
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Reply By: Member - Marquis F (NSW) - Tuesday, Aug 23, 2005 at 16:42

Tuesday, Aug 23, 2005 at 16:42
Where did you get 410nm from?

---------toyota landcruiser prado europe:
The 3.0-litre, D-4D common rail turbo diesel - already among the most powerful and torquey in the sector - is carried over from the outgoing model range and offers enormous torque with excellent fuel consumption.

The engine develops 120kW (163DIN hp) at 3,400rpm with torque of 343Nm across an engine speed range of 1,600 to 3,200rpm. Maximum speed is 106mph (170km/h) with manual transmission and acceleration from 0-62mph in 12.7 seconds
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Follow Up By: RAGS AND DAGS - Tuesday, Aug 23, 2005 at 16:49

Tuesday, Aug 23, 2005 at 16:49
the same place he got his other info from.
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Follow Up By: Kalgoorlie Escapee - Tuesday, Aug 23, 2005 at 16:57

Tuesday, Aug 23, 2005 at 16:57
Try this site it will confirm. Sorry if the information is quoted directly from Toyota!
http://www.toyota-europe.com/cars/new_cars/land_cruiser/fullspecs.asp

They probably get better torque due to different fuel mapping (better fuel)
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Follow Up By: RAGS AND DAGS - Tuesday, Aug 23, 2005 at 17:44

Tuesday, Aug 23, 2005 at 17:44
Can't understand the difference there ?

and all of that torque in a little 3 door Prado. That would be a weapon.
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Follow Up By: Kalgoorlie Escapee - Tuesday, Aug 23, 2005 at 17:51

Tuesday, Aug 23, 2005 at 17:51
The 5 door version is on that site as well. Europe offered in 5 sp auto or 6 sp manual, I just presume we are at the lower end of the pecking order when it comes to vehicle suppliers as we always have been.
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Follow Up By: RAGS AND DAGS - Tuesday, Aug 23, 2005 at 17:59

Tuesday, Aug 23, 2005 at 17:59
Yes we sure are but the difference in those torque figures does not make sense.

All that changes nothing anyhow.

We will not have a common rail T/D Prado here before 2007.

Sad but true.
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Reply By: Inland Sailor - Tuesday, Aug 23, 2005 at 17:58

Tuesday, Aug 23, 2005 at 17:58
I believe that the Dtronic that's currently available for the 3.0 TD really brings this motor up to the pace of the Euopean engine and is highly regarded as "THE MOD" to do to the Prado 120.
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Follow Up By: roblin - Tuesday, Aug 23, 2005 at 18:32

Tuesday, Aug 23, 2005 at 18:32
I have a 2004 TD Manual Prado. yes the DTRONIC does make a big difference. My understanding of the Euro spec diesels is that our fuel is not up to spec therefore is precludes the higher performance motors.

Although a 5 speed auto sounds good, I don't know about changing 6 manual gears. The current motor is, in my understanding, very reliable and robust for the high kms diesels are renowned for. I am a bit suspect of the higher performance motors but will wait and see.

With respect to replacing the Patrol, you may notice some reduction in interior space as well as a far better turning circle - therefore better around town driveability. I came from a GU to the Prado and am more than happy.
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Follow Up By: RAGS AND DAGS - Wednesday, Aug 24, 2005 at 07:51

Wednesday, Aug 24, 2005 at 07:51
Another misconception.

Ever driven the BMW 3.0 td ?

enough said.
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Reply By: DavidT - Tuesday, Aug 23, 2005 at 18:41

Tuesday, Aug 23, 2005 at 18:41
Hi Roblin

Just wondering if you have done any other mods to the prado.
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Reply By: Member - Hugh (WA) - Tuesday, Aug 23, 2005 at 20:15

Tuesday, Aug 23, 2005 at 20:15
Hi David,

Interesting trend noticed in the replies.

I also own a GU Patrol which I replacing in a couple of months time. Have looked at a few vehicles and my choice is also the 120 series Prado, though I am opting for the V6 with 5 spd auto. I currently have a t/diesel Patrol but the petrol V6 works out better for me.

Out of interest, how much stamp duty do you guys over east have to pay on a new Prado? Stamp duty in WA for a GXL V6 auto (vehicle with fleet discount) is $3,700. Unbelievable high tax on a new car.

Regards,
Hugh
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Follow Up By: 120scruiser - Wednesday, Aug 24, 2005 at 12:53

Wednesday, Aug 24, 2005 at 12:53
Hi Hugh
I bought a diesel one new 5 weeks ago through the business and paid
$2200 in stamp duty.
FYI
120scruiser
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Reply By: at4x4 - Tuesday, Aug 23, 2005 at 20:35

Tuesday, Aug 23, 2005 at 20:35
The 120 is a good bit of equipment for most people, witht he v6 getting great economy, they drive very nicely, good turning circle, and are slightly larger than an 80 series, and smaller than a 100, and we have fitted 285's and 34" swampers when a 3" lift has been fitted.

the 120 email list at www.lcool.org is also a good place for info on the 120 models.

There are also lots of acc available these days for the 120 like Joes unit

,a href=http://www.lcool.org/technical/120_series/Joe%20Mortelliti/joe_mortelliti.html>Joes 120
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Reply By: eerfree - Tuesday, Aug 23, 2005 at 20:45

Tuesday, Aug 23, 2005 at 20:45
hugh

paid $1156.00(gst free) in Queensland March this year,LATWTTB.

eerfree
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Follow Up By: Member - Hugh (WA) - Wednesday, Aug 24, 2005 at 12:13

Wednesday, Aug 24, 2005 at 12:13
Thanks eerfree,

That's 1/3 of stamp duty price in WA. No wonder I hear of people buying their vehicles in the Eastern states.

I don't know too much about this practice but I think I might look into it. Fly over, have a holiday, buy car and drive back; or buy and have it trucked over. No doubt there are some issues with doing this but appears as if there may be savings.

Hugh
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Follow Up By: 120scruiser - Wednesday, Aug 24, 2005 at 12:55

Wednesday, Aug 24, 2005 at 12:55
Certainly is worth it.
I do some mechanical work for car yards in Sydney and have preped a few cars for shipment to WA.
Now I know why they have done it this way.
Cheers
120scruiser
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Reply By: kimprado - Wednesday, Aug 24, 2005 at 20:15

Wednesday, Aug 24, 2005 at 20:15
Hi David,

I have a manual 6 cyl with quite a few additions. The car has now done 46,000Km and had a fairly tough life with two trips up North and a fair amount of time in the Victorian High Country. Here is what I have experienced:

A replacement clutch done under warrentee. In fairness, the clutch didn't feel right from the day I picked it up. No manufacturer is perfect.

Drivers side door out of alignment. Again fixed under warrenty without question.

A loss of the turn indicators at the end of the Cordillo Downs track in June this year. This turned out to be a short from all the mud and water we experinced.

As far as bull dust entering the cabin is concerned, I would'nt rate it with the best, but it is still quite good.

Comfort is what makes this car. It does "wallow around" a bit with soft suspension but after a lot of talking and reading I won't change it.

Some people appear to think this car is a "mum's shopping trolley". I can assure you it is one tough 4WD.

As previously mentioned, my car is petrol. Stock standard, fuel consumption was particularly good. However, with a second spare and bag on the roof rack it is not good at high speed on a highway.

In closing, don't buy the Toyota alum bar. Go to ARB or TJM and purchase a steel bar. It will make your life a lot easier.

Hope this helps

Kim
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Reply By: Member - Stan (VIC) - Thursday, Aug 25, 2005 at 11:22

Thursday, Aug 25, 2005 at 11:22
DavidT,

Just to add,
Have a look at www.lcool.org have a look throght forum pages about
most of the mods for Prado. My rig profile got some onfi as well.

Stan
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Reply By: Member - David W (VIC) - Thursday, Aug 25, 2005 at 12:25

Thursday, Aug 25, 2005 at 12:25
It puzzles me why one would want to throw out 14 or 1500 $'s worth of brand new and warranted suspension gear. If you worry about maintaining clearance, then fit Firestone airbags. Remove the side steps and help the genuine vehicle clearance by 14 to 15 mm with 265 /70 x17 BFG's or similar.(Does a 40mm OME lift vary the Diff to ground distance ?) Also the airbags are great for Roll & Lean. I would suggest a Cargo Barrier, as well as safety, you can stack stuff up against it.
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