GPS - Radio interference

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With my previous Magellan 320 and now Magellan Gold I have radio interefence.

This is whether the GPS is running off internal battery or through the cigarette lighter.

Nothing came up in this site's search or Google. Has any one had this and solved it?

Banjo (WA)
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Reply By: Member - Chrispy (NSW) - Tuesday, Sep 06, 2005 at 10:25

Tuesday, Sep 06, 2005 at 10:25
Go Garmin?

hehe... no, seriously - what do you mean by "radio interferance"? I've used GPS's since their inception in my cars, and have never suffered this. What happens? Do you have a problem where you don't get a lock on a minimum number of satellites unless you have your radio turned off? Is it an aftermarket radio or original equipment?
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Follow Up By: Banjo - Tuesday, Sep 06, 2005 at 10:32

Tuesday, Sep 06, 2005 at 10:32
Chrispy

Gps works fine, locks on to many satellites, and quickly, with all functions normal.

The problem is static/scrackling from the radio. It is Philips aftermarket and after 10 years in the Troopy over all sorts of good/bad roads it may have a problem but works without any problem with GPS off.

Thanks for response.

Banjo (WA)

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Follow Up By: Member - Chrispy (NSW) - Tuesday, Sep 06, 2005 at 10:40

Tuesday, Sep 06, 2005 at 10:40
Oh! So... you have "GPS interferance", not "radio interferance" as such. Wow! there's a first!

Firstly, I'm pretty sure that GPS devices are totally passive, in that they don't actually transmit anything. They receive "journal" data from any satellites they can see and interpret the different timing signals from each of those satellites to calculate a relative position - but they don't actually talk back. Therefore I can't see that the interferance would be in the RF range and coming from the GPS - unless it's a bad backlight or something internal that's generating noise. What does it sound like? It is a consistent distortion?

Sure it's not just a dicky power lead that you've shared between the two... or a bad common earth or something? I'd be eliminating that first.

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Follow Up By: Banjo - Tuesday, Sep 06, 2005 at 10:49

Tuesday, Sep 06, 2005 at 10:49
oops, yes you're right, it's GPS interference. (See I'm dumb - that's probably why I didn't get a Garmin)

Logically it must be as you've suggested as 2 different GPS cause the same, as you state -unusual, problem. I'll wire another socket in and see what happpens.

Thanks.

Banjo (WA)

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Follow Up By: Bonz (Vic) - Tuesday, Sep 06, 2005 at 17:27

Tuesday, Sep 06, 2005 at 17:27
Yes well I get it in the XR6 MkII when I have the Nokia in its cradle and the GPS on, the radio gets really crackly in fringe areas, take the phone out of the cradle, radios clear, turn off the GPS radios fine, the antenna for the XR is in the rear window glass, s o not sure why.

Now today, I did 650km in the Patrol, phone in the cradle, fringe areas, the GPS didnt interfere at all. I am puzzled MUCH
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Follow Up By: Bonz (Vic) - Tuesday, Sep 06, 2005 at 17:29

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it is a Garmin GPSNap 60CS, and seems to come in waves when the GPS is seeking satellites, once its locked on its still there but constant scratchy noise.

still puzzled
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Reply By: Sand Man (SA) - Tuesday, Sep 06, 2005 at 10:42

Tuesday, Sep 06, 2005 at 10:42
Banjo,

Sounds like the Radio receiver is too close to GPS frequency and doesn't have sufficient filtering.

As the radio is so old and replacement cost is less than another GPS (and still may not fix the problem) I would give the old boom box the heave ho and replace it with a more modern unit. You could even get one with MP3 play capabilities.

What more excuse do you need???
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Follow Up By: Member - Chrispy (NSW) - Tuesday, Sep 06, 2005 at 10:46

Tuesday, Sep 06, 2005 at 10:46
FM radio sits at around the 100MHz range, and GPS is nearly ten times that frequency at around 1200MHz. Besides, if the radio was picking up a GPS-related signal, it would - irrespective of whether his GPS was on or not.
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Reply By: Ken - Tuesday, Sep 06, 2005 at 11:38

Tuesday, Sep 06, 2005 at 11:38
Banjo,

Not clear from your post but I think you are saying the GPS interferes with the radio and this can be a problem with any radio receiver. A GPS is not a passive device as stated here, they are not transmitters but do have a powerful processor chip in them like a desktop PC [or Mac if that way inclined] These processors have clock speeds in the Megahertz rage and can cause interferance over short distances. Not sure in your case but it could be the quality of the radio in which case it will suffer from any type of GPS.

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Follow Up By: Member - Chrispy (NSW) - Tuesday, Sep 06, 2005 at 12:05

Tuesday, Sep 06, 2005 at 12:05
The processors in typical GPS units typically consume less than a watt. Shielding is not as good, however, as a, say typical laptop - where the processor consumes in the range of 10 watts and up while running - emitting a tad more RF noise than a GPS might. While the argument is probably correct, one would also assume that a car radio has reasonable shielding as well. In that case, I'd still be checking for bad earth connections. Make sure the case of the radio is connected directly to your chassis plane via the steel cradle inside the dash area where it's mounted. It can only help.

GPS units ARE illegal to run on an aircraft because otf the perceived threat of interference to the aircraft's avionics - but they are a LOT more sensitive than a 10-year-old car radio I'd assume.
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Follow Up By: Member - Chrispy (NSW) - Tuesday, Sep 06, 2005 at 12:09

Tuesday, Sep 06, 2005 at 12:09
Oh! ... I think I should have explained that while Ken is right - in that a GPS might emit RF noise - it IS a passive device by design intent - but not necessarily as a product of its build quality. Do you agree with this Ken?
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Reply By: Michael Carey - Tuesday, Sep 06, 2005 at 12:04

Tuesday, Sep 06, 2005 at 12:04
Welcome to the world of modern computer controlled devices! My Garmin GPSMAP 60CS causes interference on my VHF amateur radio transceiver. It's only on a few frequencies, but it makes them useless.
We have problems with switch mode power supplies and inverters on fishing boats causing problems with some types of radios. In one case, a power supply was radiating enough energy to make a radio deaf to any other boat more that 5 Km away. Turn off the power supply and the radio works 60+ Km. It's a hard thing to diagnose and sometimes impossible to fix.
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Reply By: Ken - Tuesday, Sep 06, 2005 at 14:41

Tuesday, Sep 06, 2005 at 14:41
Crispy, you are right regarding the intent of GPS devices, they are not designed as transmitters but unfortunately due to poor sheilding and maybe design, they end up putting out a lot of rubbish.
It is interesting to consider that if your design and manufacture a TRANSMITTER it must meet all sorts of requirements for spurious noise emission but if you manufacture something other than a transmitter the requrement are far less.
My Garmin 60C plays up with the Nissan CD player if it is close to it and this has been noted in earlier posts.
The power source will have little impact although technically the vehicle battery is a resaonable filter and could therefore reduce the noise on he power cables, however the noise experienced in most likely EMITTED RF and is the same on internal batteries or the vehicle battery via the lighter socket.

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