More 4WD'ing on the moon?

Submitted: Tuesday, Sep 20, 2005 at 16:18
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Is the Lunar Rover going to make another appearance? I think I'll volunteer as 4WD Pilot !!!

Don't care if the USA can or can't afford it.... I think that the human race needs to see some accomplishments again. I also reckon that this is a shot in the arm that the world needs right now. To all those Apollo conspiracy theorists out there - go get a life! :)

I think that it will just release some pressure on several fronts for the USA - and the rest of us too. I, for one, would cut off my right one to be able to go over there and offer my services in any way I could. I love the space program - always have, always will. I think I'll volunteer as 4WD Pilot !!!

If man was to land on the moon again, It would be a sweet couple of weeks of news for once.
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Walking on the moon ... again
From: Agence France-Presse
From correspondents in Washington

September 20, 2005

Apollo 11 / Reuters

Moon bound ... Apollo 11 blasts off from Kennedy Space Centre and into history / Reuters

THE US will send four astronauts to the moon in 2018 in a return to its pioneering manned missions into space.
NASA is to design a new rocket based on the technology from its ageing shuttles that are to be retired in 2010. A new ship could be orbiting in space by 2012.

The last manned mission to the moon was the Apollo 17 rocket in 1972. The new mission would also launch preparations to set up a permanent base on the moon, NASA administrator Michael Griffin said.

He estimated the cost of the return to the moon at $US104 billion ($135.6 billion) and insisted it should not be affected by rebuilding after Hurricane Katrina or the Iraq war.

US President George W. Bush announced in January 2004 that NASA would resume manned missions to the moon as a first step toward sending humans to Mars.

Mr Griffin said the new rocket would be "very Apollo-like, with updated technology. Think of it as Apollo on steroids."

The new Crew Exploration Vehicle (CEV) will enable astronauts to spend four times longer on the moon than the Apollo astronauts. The new missions will spend up to one week on the moon.

NASA plans to build a new heavy-lift rocket carrying the CEV, which would be able to take up to six crew members.

NASA said crews and cargo would be carried into orbit on a shuttle-based launch system, using a solid rocket booster and an upper stage powered by a shuttle main engine.

NASA was badly hit by the Challenger explosion in 1986 and the Columbia disaster in 2003. But the agency said the new rockets would be 10 times safer than the shuttles because of their design and new launch system.

The lunar missions will be backed up by a heavy cargo launch vehicle, powered by five shuttle engines, which can carry up to 125 tonnes of equipment and supplies. A lunar lander would be carried by the heavy launch vehicle.

Once it has been launched into orbit, the CEV would dock with the lunar lander and the propulsion stage and start its journey to the moon.

Robotic missions to the moon to study its terrain will be carried out between 2008 and 2011.

"Returning to the moon and sustaining a presence there will demonstrate humans can survive on another world," said Mr Griffin.

He added that it would "build confidence that astronauts can venture still farther into space and stay for longer periods."

Mr Griffin said that in comparable terms, the new moon program would cost only 55 per cent of the Apollo missions and would not need an increase in NASA's budget.

But the cost is expected to meet opposition in Congress, which is already facing major debates over the five billion dollars a month going to the Iraq war as well as the rebuilding the Gulf Coast after Hurricane Katrina.

Bart Gordon, a Democratic member of the House of Representatives, said: "This plan is coming out at a time when the nation is facing significant budgetary challenges.

"Getting agreement to move forward on it is going to be heavy lifting in the current environment, and it's clear that strong presidential leadership will be needed."

In Paris, the European Space Agency welcomed the news. "It shows that things continue to move ahead," spokesman Franco Bonacina said. He noted Mr Giffin had also mentioned international cooperation in the new effort.
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Reply By: Scubaroo - Tuesday, Sep 20, 2005 at 16:36

Tuesday, Sep 20, 2005 at 16:36
Yeah, but will it be live-axle or IFS?
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Reply By: Rod W - Tuesday, Sep 20, 2005 at 16:45

Tuesday, Sep 20, 2005 at 16:45
They won't be able to afford the diesel.
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Reply By: Sand Man (SA) - Tuesday, Sep 20, 2005 at 16:47

Tuesday, Sep 20, 2005 at 16:47
Ah memories!

July 1969 - "The Eagle has landed"

I was 20 years old at the time (no mathematics now) and subscribed through the Adelaide Advertiser for a set of 35mm colour slides released by NASA to celebrate the event.

Still have them. It was a truly monumental event in my lifetime.

What about the bunch of loonies that have since claimed that it was all a fake up and filmed on Earth. I think they were exposed to a bit of moon dust, or doped up on something illegal.

Bill


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Follow Up By: Member - Chrispy (NSW) - Tuesday, Sep 20, 2005 at 16:56

Tuesday, Sep 20, 2005 at 16:56
Although I was a tad younger Sand Man (I was in 1st class and 7 years old) I still remember, as bright as day, that day at school. We sat as a class to watch history. That image of Armstrong coming down the ladder LIVE will be with me forever.

It's such a pity that the younger generations just don't see the significance of this feat. To them it's just all so passe, and because they didn't experience it first hand it's lost in the translation. Technology and its development is expected these days - not admired. Younger people have never been without a TV, or a PlayStation. I guess thay just don't get excited by new things.

Bring it on again - even though it won't have the same impact on the world that it did back in the late sixties.
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Follow Up By: F4Phantom - Tuesday, Sep 20, 2005 at 17:44

Tuesday, Sep 20, 2005 at 17:44
i will tell you one thing about the generation who learned about it in history books like me, i just found out the new landing will cost $100 billion. I would never have guessed it would cost that much to do it the second time, it does tell me the kind on humungus effort involved in a simple moon walk.
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Follow Up By: Rod W - Wednesday, Sep 21, 2005 at 10:25

Wednesday, Sep 21, 2005 at 10:25
Jez you're an old bugger. I was only 19 and watched it on the TV in the canteen on the RAAF base Edinburgh.
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Reply By: Footloose - Tuesday, Sep 20, 2005 at 17:40

Tuesday, Sep 20, 2005 at 17:40
It was a historic occasion for most of us. There were so may other things happening that weren't good news at the time that it was a welcome relief for most. Some of us were suffering from a small far away war at the time. Society was changing at an alarming rate. It had only been 6 or so years since the Cuban Crisis when many thought that the world only had a few days left.
Millions looked on in awe. And the funny thing is that the moon is still as far away as ever. Society is still changing at an alarming rate. And some are still suffering from far away wars.
I wonder what has really changed, apart from our ages ? For all our technology and science is the world a better place ? Are we there yet ?

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Reply By: Member - Alan H (QLD) - Tuesday, Sep 20, 2005 at 18:26

Tuesday, Sep 20, 2005 at 18:26
I hope they take the changes over time into account.

Due to the slow down in the earths rotation, the moon is actually receeding from the earth by about 3.94cm per year.

So 2018 - 1972 = 46 years times 3.94cm means that the moon is now 1.8124 metres further away than when we last had a visit.

Just something to chew on!

Alan
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Reply By: Willb - Tuesday, Sep 20, 2005 at 22:54

Tuesday, Sep 20, 2005 at 22:54
I can clearly remember watching the moment on TV when he walked down the ladder. I was 11 at the time. I can remember where I was sitting in the hall at school and clapping when he walked on the moon. I got a huge buzz a few years ago when I met Buzz Aldrin and shook his hand.
Ahh memories.
Will
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