Just who profits from high fuel prices
Submitted: Friday, Sep 30, 2005 at 09:52
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Alan S (WA)
Thinking about it last night and although we don’t like high fuel prices but just who is making the profit out of increased prices.
The Government gets 38c in the litre excise plus the GST take. With higher prices the Excise doesn’t change, if anything higher prices mean less sold so the Govt share from Excise drops. GST is calculate at 1/11 of the retail price so when fuel is at $1 p/lt and then increases t $1.30 p/lt the GST take only increases by .03c p/lt.
Refineries are in the main owned by multinational oil companies, and when prices are increasing rapidly its pretty easy to add an extra cent here and there and with the volumes processed it adds up to a lot of money. And from what has been published recently they have been increasing margins dramatically.
Retail shops, we have seen an increase in cost of goods supposedly due to higher transport costs caused by fuel cost increases. Yet the truckies are protesting about the higher costs their incurring. Obviously this higher price charged by Retailers has not found its way to the people who need it, the transporters. Looks like the Coles & Woolies of this world are also reaping profits from the situation.
The Oil producers, most the capital expenditure for their facilities were costed and built when the price of oil was a lot lower. Sure they have to factor risk and investment costs into their commercial decisions and make a profit. As a lot of these facilities take years to come on stream, you cant say that they knew then that prices where going to get this high, that long ago. Looks like these guys are making a killing as
well.
The Fuel retailers like Woolies, Coles etc (excluding the independents) discount dockets are now common. How often do people look at the marked price? We mainly look at what we will pay including the discount, this has the effect of an instant 4c ltr rise at the bowser. Sure they’re giving away a discount but every time you go in with out a docket you pay a higher price.
Fuel is a commodity traded on a world market and subject to the vagrancies of supply and demand, and that cant be changed. To get the Government to drop its excise or provide assistance will mean that some other service will suffer or taxes will rise in another area.
Target the people who are profiting from the situation, lets make sure the Transporters of goods get their increased rates to keep them on the road, we are paying for it any way. Make sure the refineries lower their wholesale costs. Consider using the CHEAPEST petrol station (disregarding discount vouchers) and if you have a voucher for discount then that is a bonus.
I am off my soap box now.
Alan
Reply By: Kalgoorlie Escapee - Friday, Sep 30, 2005 at 10:11
Friday, Sep 30, 2005 at 10:11
Oil is a comodity like Gold,Nickel etc. The governement does not have much say on the fluctuations in raw materials but it is the major benificiary (with no risk) of the product - these include;
Excise 38c/l
GST 13c/l
Royalties Hidden cost
Oil Industry taxes (lease, payroll, licensing etc...)
Out of the $130/l you pay, the majority of the cost is taken in governement charges, and not by the producers of the comodity who have invested dearly in the product.
Just a thought - Bottled
water (which is virtually a free resource) is still more expensive than fuel, does anybody complain?
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Follow Up By: Gerhardp1 - Friday, Sep 30, 2005 at 10:20
Friday, Sep 30, 2005 at 10:20
It's true that bottled
water is more expensive than petrol, but on a trip from
Melbourne to
Sydney you need 120litres or thereabouts of fuel, but only 1 litre of
water.
That's why the cost of
water doesn't hurt - you can even do without the
water at your discretion, but the fuel is essential.
Much as I hate paying the current price, I find it hard to really object too much as the price of petrol over the last 14 years has fallen in real terms - until now. A bit like a share market correction in reverse!
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Follow Up By: Alan S (WA) - Friday, Sep 30, 2005 at 10:59
Friday, Sep 30, 2005 at 10:59
All very valid poitns that there is a lot of hidden extras that the Govt also gets. I suppose the intent behind my post was to try to get some thought as to who is making extra profit by the higher prices.
AFAIK Royalties and other hidden taxes on oil production are mainly based on production levels either as a percentage or fixed price per barrel. The only increase in Govt royalties would ocurr if production increases.
As the world price has sky rocketted supply is being limited by refinining capacity so the price goes up. The oil co's are pocketing the price difference.
ALan
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Follow Up By: Gerhardp1 - Friday, Sep 30, 2005 at 11:12
Friday, Sep 30, 2005 at 11:12
Our little middle eastern countries like Saudi Arabia et al will be pocketing quite a lot of it I think. The will use the windfall to train a few more people in all sorts of activities we westeners don't like.
The oil that Shell et al gets from Africa will be resulting in the companies getting all the extra, as they will not be paying any extra royalties to the African people (if they pay any at all).
The South American oil will be filling the coffers of the local countries as the Columbian guy on OPEC is largely responsible for restricted production to push up prices before this latest madness.
In Australia, as a guide take a look at the share price of
Caltex over the last 12 months and you will see that here the entire supply chain is lovin' it heaps and big time.
This will result in significant extra donations to the Liberal Party in return for Johnny's commitment to ignoring pleas to stop gouging.
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Reply By: Kalgoorlie Escapee - Friday, Sep 30, 2005 at 11:07
Friday, Sep 30, 2005 at 11:07
We live in a capatalistic society, sometimes there is a price to pay! I bet the share holders of the oil companies are not complaining that there busuness is getting a fair return for their investments.
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Reply By: Wizard1 - Friday, Sep 30, 2005 at 12:14
Friday, Sep 30, 2005 at 12:14
WHEN ARE YOU ALL GOING TO GET A GRIP AND LEARN TO LIVE WITH IT.
FUEL PRICES ARE HIGH, THEY WILL KEEP GETTING HIGHER AND NO AMOUNT OF WHINGING OR PROCASTINATION WILL STOP IT.........
FRANKLY I'M SICK OF ALL THE DOOM AND GLOOM ON EVERY NEWS AND CURRENT AFFAIR PROGRAMME ABOUT FUEL PRICES....AT LEAST IT IS KEEPING INTEREST RATES DOWN....
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Follow Up By: Alan S (WA) - Friday, Sep 30, 2005 at 14:53
Friday, Sep 30, 2005 at 14:53
Yes, your right prices are high and will just get higher, but irregardless, it is a real concern to people. A lot of people are struggling because of it.
If your sick of the subject then dont listen to the News and Current Affairs and dont read posts relating to Oil Prices. Certainly yelling at those who do want to discuss it wont help you.
Alan
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Follow Up By: Member - ROTORD - Saturday, Oct 01, 2005 at 14:26
Saturday, Oct 01, 2005 at 14:26
Agree .Lot of sympathy to those who are struggling with the cost , much of which will be due to being committed to higher housing costs . For an upbeat view of how the increased cost of oil effects the Australian economy try page 20 of the October issue of PERSONAL INVESTOR magazine . The salient points are ;
1 In the last 25 years the average weekly wage has increased at a significantly greater rate than the cost of petrol at the pump .
2 The flow on effects of fuel costs on the CPI will be relatively minor .
3 The increased fuel costs have given a big increase in profitability of our coal and gas exports .
4 Australia has the fourth cheapest post tax fuel in the OECD countries of the world . Most European countries pay $A2.50 a litre .
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