Victoria rejects alpine grazing 'gimmick'

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Victoria rejects alpine grazing 'gimmick'
October 11, 2005 - 1:03PM

Victorian Environment Minister John Thwaites has rejected a federal government plan to return cattle to the state's Alpine National Park.

Federal Environment Minister Ian Campbell unveiled today a $15 million compromise deal that would allow cattle grazing to continue, while creating a greater Alpine National Park covering areas of Victoria, NSW and the ACT.

Under the plan, cattle would be allowed back into parts of the park but kept out of sensitive areas, using electric and conventional fencing.

Some cattle would also wear collars activated through a global positioning system when they crossed "virtual" fences around protected areas.

Mr Thwaites described the proposals as a "political gimmick" and a "Trojan horse" aimed at getting cattle back into the park.

"It's clear that the federal minister just can't deliver what he said he would do for the cattlemen," he told reporters.

"He's had to concede he doesn't have the legal power to force cattle grazing on to the park."

Mr Thwaites said cattle would not be allowed back into the park because of "absolutely clear scientific evidence" that the animals damaged the fragile environment.

"You don't go to a national park and expect to see electric fences and cattle wandering around with electric collars on."

The Victorian government has banned the 170-year-old tradition of summer musters and says it will no longer issue grazing licences for the park.

Senator Campbell has already issued an emergency heritage listing protecting the park and the tradition of alpine grazing, and he had been expected to announce his decision on a permanent listing.

But today he said he had not read an assessment prepared for him last month by the Australian Heritage Council and he would not say when or if he would announce a decision on a permanent listing.

Instead, his compromise proposal rests on agreement from the state government.

"I am aware the Victorian government has taken the decision to ban cattle grazing in the high country as an environmental measure.

"But this plan offers a way to preserve this rich cultural heritage without damaging the alpine environment."

Mr Thwaites challenged Senator Campbell to release the council's assessment.

- AAP
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Reply By: ShnogDog - Tuesday, Oct 11, 2005 at 23:28

Tuesday, Oct 11, 2005 at 23:28
And I thought my $131 fine for being 6 kmh over in VIC was ridiculous... This is tragic
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Reply By: Ted (Cairns) - Wednesday, Oct 12, 2005 at 12:08

Wednesday, Oct 12, 2005 at 12:08
It's done in Europe since times immemorial... And the Alps, Carpathians etc were still there and well last time I checked.
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Reply By: Moose - Wednesday, Oct 12, 2005 at 13:19

Wednesday, Oct 12, 2005 at 13:19
I have a sticker on the Cruiser that says - the only true wilderness is between a greenies ears. F'n greenies have a lot to answer for. How come so few have so much say? Bloody ridiculous situation.
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Follow Up By: Member - Steve (ACT) - Wednesday, Oct 12, 2005 at 14:25

Wednesday, Oct 12, 2005 at 14:25
I'll adopt that saying - love it

Sandy
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Follow Up By: ShnogDog - Wednesday, Oct 12, 2005 at 22:08

Wednesday, Oct 12, 2005 at 22:08
What do greenies and jungle have in common... they're wet, green and incredibly dense
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Reply By: Pterosaur - Wednesday, Oct 12, 2005 at 15:02

Wednesday, Oct 12, 2005 at 15:02
Good to see that the usual levels of rigourous intellectual debate are taking place, free of emotion, as always, in support of the somewhat dubious claims for a "170-year-old tradition of summer musters".

Once again ( as usual), failing to deal with the absolutely clear scientific evidence that the animals damaged the fragile environment.

Ther is more to life than prejudice !
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Wednesday, Oct 12, 2005 at 15:06

Wednesday, Oct 12, 2005 at 15:06
"in support of the somewhat dubious claims for a "170-year-old tradition of summer musters"."

what is dubious about it?

scientific evidence like statistics can be made to show what ever you like depending on what side you are on.

FWIW, I dont care really, but I do see the farmers point if they have been there doing this for that long.

As I said before, in all the times Ive been up there, never seen any of this evidence, it must really be off the beaten track.

YMMV.
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Reply By: Member - Duncs - Wednesday, Oct 12, 2005 at 22:00

Wednesday, Oct 12, 2005 at 22:00
It's not just Victoria.

As a kid I used to spend a lot of time camping in the Royal National Park, south of Sydney. A few years ago I went for a walk down to one of my favourite camping spots, I was thinking of taking the young bloke down there to show him what his old man used to get up to. OK not everything his old man did.

I looked around for some time trying to find the spot I used to pitch my tent and eventually worked out where it was. The particular site was overgrown to the point of being unrecogniseable. But there was room elsewhere to pitch the little dome so I went to the NP office in Hurstville to ask if things had changed.

Have they changed. As of a couple of week prior to my visit camping in the RNP has been so restricted it is nearly impossible. I asked why this particular area had been closed to camping. "Because it was increasingly being overused and suffering severe enviromental damage." was the reply.

When I camped there as a kid it was nothing to see 10 to 15 tents in the area and the sites for that number of tents were easily identified. Now there would be only one or two tent sites identifiable and these look to have very little use, not one campfire site was evident. I wouold say the area had very little camping in it for the past 20 years.

Now my evidence is probably not scientific, but it is accurate. The Ranger who I spoke to had never been to the particular spot but was prepared to argue with me. But he must be right, after all he has a degree and I don't.

The RNP was established for the recreation of the people of Sydney, but now you are not alowed to recreate there.

I'm sorry but how do you learn to appreciate and care for the bush if you are not alowed to see it? First the Cattlemen and then everyone else.

Did I sound bitter???? Didn't mean to! Better get down to the beach for a swim before someone decides we are damaging the ocean.

Duncs
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Thursday, Oct 13, 2005 at 10:44

Thursday, Oct 13, 2005 at 10:44
I thought camping was stopped years ago in the park.. Except in 2-4 large 'specific' areas?

30 odd yrs ago in the sea scounts we used to boat across to the park down the river to a camping spot, cant remember its name(deer something?), but I was told the scouts werent allowed there since late 70/early80s due to Damage. that was then, this is now!

If I remember it was always used by scouts from everywhere.

As you said, he has a degree.. Go watch him fight a fire, from personal experience in the RFS, Rangers learn firefighting on simulators... and when the fire doesnt act like on the pooter, they can lose the plot... New local ranger at Kurnell once, the guy was incharge of the fire (its his park), up until he lost the plot saying the fire cant do that, it just cant... He never lived it down..

I digress...
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Follow Up By: chump_boy - Thursday, Oct 13, 2005 at 12:51

Thursday, Oct 13, 2005 at 12:51
Duncs (and Truckster),

Thanks for letting us know about that. I was planning to head down to Wattamulla in a few weekends time, after an absence of several years. I guess I'll have to check what the go is now....

Have you guys camped there before? Used to be beautiful up near the waterfall.

Cheers,

Chump
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Reply By: muzzgit (WA) - Thursday, Oct 13, 2005 at 01:01

Thursday, Oct 13, 2005 at 01:01
A little off track but relevant. We visited an area just outside Walpole in the south west of WA three weeks ago and camped at a spot on the track to Broke inlet.

CALM (dept of conservation and land management) have started to install a toilet block and have been in there with machinery to make the campsites more easily accesable.

What the??? the reason we liked the place was the bush camping where you found it, and as always, if there was few people there, then you moved on to the next spot.

Now it seems that lots of people will be crammed into one spot, and now that toilets are there, more morons will come. GREAT. JUST GREAT.
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