Fuel Prices
Submitted: Thursday, Oct 20, 2005 at 10:49
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cliff
We all know that Qld does not have a state fuel tax, but now having just returned from
Sydney l see fuel is just as cheap down there.
Is there an explaination to this or are we travellers and residents being reaped off again?
And what is the ACC doing to curb excessive profit taking by oil companies which is supposed to be looking after our interests?
Reply By: gramps - Thursday, Oct 20, 2005 at 10:59
Thursday, Oct 20, 2005 at 10:59
Up and down like a tarts drawers,
Cliff. Overall Qld is definitely cheaper although you will find isolated pockets of good pricing around
Sydney. As to the ACCC, I would'nt hold my breath waiting for any action from them.
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Follow Up By: gramps - Thursday, Oct 20, 2005 at 21:13
Thursday, Oct 20, 2005 at 21:13
Another gem of an example of the ACCC in action as against their normal inaction
ACCC again!
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Follow Up By: gramps - Thursday, Oct 20, 2005 at 21:16
Thursday, Oct 20, 2005 at 21:16
Woo hoo! It actually worked. My thanks to Mrs Al for sending the docco on links and Sand Man for writing the docco.
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Reply By: guzzi - Thursday, Oct 20, 2005 at 11:02
Thursday, Oct 20, 2005 at 11:02
What are they doing??? SFA.
The ACCC is an arm of the federal gov, guess whos rakeing it in with fuel taxs.
Yep the federal gov.
If they do something that will cost money and earned revenue, if they do nothing they rake in millions.
Who said you cant get something for nothing.
And as for taxes in QLD stand by for backflip beaties new round of taxs in 2 weeks time.
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Reply By: Wayne (NSW) - Thursday, Oct 20, 2005 at 11:56
Thursday, Oct 20, 2005 at 11:56
Cliff,
It all depends on what day it is. On Tuesday the fuel was 116cpl and on Wednesday it was 131cpl. This is at the same servo.
Diesel has stayed the same at 132cpl.
BTW the states get all the GST from the sale of fuel and the Government get 38cpl regardless of the price of fuel.
Wayne
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Follow Up By: gramps - Thursday, Oct 20, 2005 at 21:29
Thursday, Oct 20, 2005 at 21:29
Wayne,
Are you sure it's a flat 38cpl ? I thought it was 38c in the $ i.e. 38%.
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Reply By: wunder77 - Thursday, Oct 20, 2005 at 11:56
Thursday, Oct 20, 2005 at 11:56
I can't see why the govt can't cap their tax on the fuel. when it was the good old days, 75c/L they were only collecting 37.5c in tax, so imagine if they only got 37.5c at todays rate, we'd still be under $1. Other country have capped fuel tax, sure prices will fluctuate with crude oil prices, but every time the crude price goes up, so does their tax, this isn't fair. is not like we have brilliant roads because of their extra take.
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Follow Up By: Member - Blue (VIC) - Thursday, Oct 20, 2005 at 13:01
Thursday, Oct 20, 2005 at 13:01
Hi wunder,
fuel tax is capped, at least at the federal level... 0.38c/l. Trouble is the GST, this varies according to the level of profiteering at the refineries.
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Reply By: simple - Thursday, Oct 20, 2005 at 13:09
Thursday, Oct 20, 2005 at 13:09
can anybody explain the diesel prices. why do they rise at the same rate as ulp but then they don't fall with it or even fluctuate...? and why do we pay often higher prices for a less refined fuel?
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Follow Up By: Member - Oskar (Bris) - Thursday, Oct 20, 2005 at 13:30
Thursday, Oct 20, 2005 at 13:30
how many diesel bowsers at the station?
1 maybe 2... How many petrol ????......up to 20!!!!
Diesel is not the big seller at the pump so why discount?
I have been told that diesel production cost is not much different to petrol nowadays. (that's what I was told by someone with some knowledge in that area anyway ........ supposedly)
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Follow Up By: robak (QLD) - Thursday, Oct 20, 2005 at 13:34
Thursday, Oct 20, 2005 at 13:34
One of the explanations I heard was that diesel, being less refined, conatains elements such as parafin wax, kero, and other goodies that can be sold at much higher prices if it were seperated.
However I think thats crap. Diesel in almost every other country is a lot cheaper then petrol.
R.
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Follow Up By: techie - Thursday, Oct 20, 2005 at 18:38
Thursday, Oct 20, 2005 at 18:38
Diesel - shortage but minor market forces. constant price but high
Ulp - shortage but major market forces. fluctuating price but high
LPG - oversupply and minor market forces. stable and cheap.
Notice that LPG jumped in price of 10c/l.
spoke to my local gas converter and he said most conversions he had lined up cancelled. the customers all thought LPG was going to increase in line with petrol.
So all the customers stay on petrol and oil companies make a mint.
not bad market manipulation.
At present my Van, on LPG, cost 7.2c per km to run, cheaper than public transport.
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Reply By: Member - Alan H (QLD) - Thursday, Oct 20, 2005 at 17:48
Thursday, Oct 20, 2005 at 17:48
We are all so dependant on fuel that in reality they have a monopoly and can charge what they want when they want and we have to pay or go without.
Fuel in Australia should almost be treated as an essential service and be regulated.
It makes me mad when are things like fuel in England is dearer. They have no where to drive - a
tank full would allow you to circumnavigate the place while in Australia a
tank full may not get you to the next town.
Our continent is so large and
population so small (let's keep it that way) that public transport will always be nonsense outside of capital cities and even the people in thse cities need to get out and travel the country and they can't do that by public transport.
Fuel companies need to be taken to task for trade practices but the government is only pro big companies and big profits with total disregard to the actual welfare of most citizens.
Everytime the Australia dollar rises in value we should see a price decrease let alone the decrease in price of crude. A short while ago on ABC TV they were stating figures (which I forget) such as price of crude has decreased 10% while price at pumps decreased 5% - just more profit for capitalists
All the big companies these days are so paranoid about ever increasing profit instead of being satisfied with reasonable profit and giving service to customers instead of just shareholders.
Sorry for the rave - I just feel powerless against the large companies
Roll on electric - hybrid - hyrogen - anything to break the fuel company monopoly
Alan
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Follow Up By: Steve - Thursday, Oct 20, 2005 at 18:24
Thursday, Oct 20, 2005 at 18:24
3rd para: Stupid argument. Why are you complaining that they have to pay more for their petrol? As for your "their country is much smaller" argument, they actually travel more kms per annum than we do, on average, despite our non-existent public transport. But to add to your complaints, you could add that lpg has risen about 40% in the past couple of months or so.
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Reply By: cliff - Friday, Oct 21, 2005 at 09:21
Friday, Oct 21, 2005 at 09:21
I thank all for your comments.
It goes to show what our thoughts are but have we been lobbying our local politicians????
They (the local politician) will pressure cabinet if they are going to loose their
seat in that great escape from reality they call parliment.
As for LPG it is exported at 3 to 5 cents per litre now the producing companies are making big dollars at that price so add another 10 cents for distrubution and that is the price we should be paying plus a little for the government coffers.
Lets keep the debate going and take it up to the steps of politicians.
Thanks
Cliff
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