Drive and avoid airline ripoffs!

Submitted: Monday, Oct 24, 2005 at 00:50
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We normally take our annual holiday and travel the outback areas in our 4WD, but this year we thought we might try a holiday on the Great barrier reef so we planned to fly on our well earned holiday. After this last episode, I think we'll stick to road trips.

My wife, 2 children and I arrived at the JETSTAR (Sydney) check-in counter at 06:57 for a 07:25 departure. I almost fell over when the person behind the counter stated that it had closed luggage check-ins for our flight because by his watch we were 2 minutes late. Check-in time is 30 minutes prior to departure.

JETSTAR staff did not show any compassion with regards to being 2 minutes late on a rainy and busy morning which was the first day of school holidays. Anyway, to cut a long story short, I had already paid $2000 for the original tickets and then had to pay an extra $1700 to prevent a total destruction of our holiday and purchase new tickets with Virgin Blue.

JETSTAR staff did not consult with baggage crews or any other personnel when they made the decision to cancel our seats and do not refund or rebook. I have heard bad reports about Jetstar prior to our departure, but being affiliated with (owned by) QANTAS, I thought these reports would not have been true. I have had to learn the hard (expensive) way that the stories were true.

In total, it cost me an extra $1700, but the most hurtful outcome for me was to watch my family’s first holiday in 15 years, turn to crap. If this is the way JETSTAR treats its customers, I will not be traveling JETSTAR again. To add salt to the wound, our missed flight departed 20 minutes late anyway.

I have spoken to numerous people after this incident and I was quite amazed at the number of people who had nothing good to say about JETSTAR. It has also been stated that this is a common ploy by some airline companies to make some easy money. They take the seats which we forfeited (by a couple of minutes) and resell those seats to standby customers. They don’t refund or re-book flights so they double dip and make sales on 8 seats. If this is the case, then it is despicable and the public should be made aware.

PS: Virgin blue airlines were still accepting check-ins until 20mins from departure.
I have written to Jetstar and Qantas, but have not had a reply in 2 weeks. Great customer service.
BEWARE OF JETSTAR - CHEAP AND NASTY!
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Reply By: Kiwi Kia - Monday, Oct 24, 2005 at 06:28

Monday, Oct 24, 2005 at 06:28
Where have you been these last few years? Airports are places to keep away from not just the airlines. Everything is a rip off, I was recently amazed at the crowded (read jam packed, can't move) international terminal at Bris, now if they removed all those rip off stores taking all the room passengers would be able to transit the area without half the problems that the over crowding caused. At ANY airline terminal in the world today you will be penalised if you are late. Allow several hours extra at most big airports in the USA !
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Reply By: Member - Wim (Qld) - Monday, Oct 24, 2005 at 07:15

Monday, Oct 24, 2005 at 07:15
Freeman4wd

I and my friends have had simmilar experiences with both of the cheapies.
I guess we got what we asked for.

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Follow Up By: Mama June - Monday, Oct 24, 2005 at 07:51

Monday, Oct 24, 2005 at 07:51
I only became a flyer 5 years ago when my first granchild was born in QLD, so try to visit twice a year. I only ever go with Virgin Blue now, after I got sick of Qantas prices, but I always make sure I get to the airport AT LEAST 1 hour before departure. Often earlier. I am very nervous about keeping time short and am one of these people who feel safer about being extra early for anything. It's very expensive for me living so far from my grandchildren.

June
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Reply By: Topcat (WA) - Monday, Oct 24, 2005 at 09:29

Monday, Oct 24, 2005 at 09:29
Sorry to hear about your travel woes. Take it to 'A Current Affair' & see if they will give it some bad bad publicity!!!!!!!
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Reply By: Truckster (Vic) - Monday, Oct 24, 2005 at 09:34

Monday, Oct 24, 2005 at 09:34
www.notgoodenough.com.au
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Reply By: Gerhardp1 - Monday, Oct 24, 2005 at 09:35

Monday, Oct 24, 2005 at 09:35
It's fairly common knowledge that Jetstar will not check in at 30 minutes or less before departure. It would have been printed on your tickets or other documents.

Not a good idea to blame them when it is your own fault for being late.

A product vendor has the right to define the service they offer - when you accept their offer and pay the money to create the contract, you are agreeing to the terms.

I have a friend who has the same attitude as you - when he mucks up it is always someone elses fault and the vendor is the bad guy.

Why Jetstar chooses this condition is not the issue. My mum has flown Jetstar a number of times because it is cheap and she can squeeze it out of her pension, but she clearly understands that a rainy first day of school holidays means she has to leave earlier.
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Follow Up By: Member - Blue (VIC) - Monday, Oct 24, 2005 at 11:04

Monday, Oct 24, 2005 at 11:04
Got to agree here... It has been widely publicised and was even on Today Tonight. The airline maintains it's position, includes these rules in the paperwork/emails you receive and so there really is no fault to be put back on them in these situations. I know it's difficult with kids(I have 3) but we always get there 1.5 hours early, check in and have a light breakfast while we wait for the flight. $20 or $30 for a fruit salad and a few bits of toast is some what less than $1700 for new tickets...

The 6 "P's" I learned in the Army have served me well...

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Preparation
Prevents
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Poor
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Follow Up By: Freeman4wd - Monday, Oct 24, 2005 at 11:09

Monday, Oct 24, 2005 at 11:09
I can understand if I were 10mins late and the luggage kart had been on it's way to the plane. But when you know that the passanger in front of you just passed his bags through, it's a bit hard to take.
A little compassion from Jetstar would not have gone astray.
I did take travel time into account and left home 2 1/2 hours early for a 1 hour trip to the airport, then I had to rely on the airport bus from the long term carpark to the terminal.
Anyway, seeing as how the other airlines have the decency to make calls for check-in up 20mins from departure, why does Jetstar have to be so brutal.
This post was not so much a bitch, just a warning to others.
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Follow Up By: Member - Blue (VIC) - Monday, Oct 24, 2005 at 11:48

Monday, Oct 24, 2005 at 11:48
that clears it up a bit... I reckon they should stop entry to their check in line at the 30min mark, anyone in line already should be processed... virgin are our choice of cheap carrier these days... Missus goes no where without her laptop and on a recent trip where car trouble saw her arriving in the nick of time, she logged on wirelessly at the airport and used the "online check-in" She only had cabin luggage though... Cost us an extra $3.50 to utilise the hot-spot but at least she made the flight...
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Reply By: robak (QLD) - Monday, Oct 24, 2005 at 12:03

Monday, Oct 24, 2005 at 12:03
Back when Jetstar was starting up I tried to buy some tickets. Their website was really slow and crashed halfway though my transaction. I didn't get a confirmation email so I figured that I didn't get the tickets, until a few weeks later I saw my credit card statemnt and had to quickly organise some return flights (with virgin) as I only booked one way previously. Since we had no ticket, no confimation or any paperwork we didn't know that they have a strict 30 min check-in. Luckily we got there 31 minutes before takeoff. (I also didn't like having to fight for seats)

I have only flown Jetstar that one time.

The other weekend, flying from sydney to brisbane with virginblue, we were running late with a baby and oversized luggage (pram). At less then 15 minutes before take-off they cheked us in and were very polite about it.

R.
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Reply By: Dean (SA) - Monday, Oct 24, 2005 at 12:26

Monday, Oct 24, 2005 at 12:26
Freeman4wd,
Our family of four are heading to the Gold Coast in January. Two travel agencies warned us about Jetstar, I just presumed they made better profits from Virgin.
We payed the $20 per ticket extra anyway, Qantas were almost double for the similar ticket, and they wer'nt direct, and their sandwiches are'nt that good.
Dean
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Reply By: stevesub - Monday, Oct 24, 2005 at 12:28

Monday, Oct 24, 2005 at 12:28
Some airlines eg Air New Zealand are also charging for excess bagage, $10 per Kg, no exceptions. Qantas in my experience still ignore the excess bagage but 1kg over for Air NZ, you get pinged.

I travel a lot by air and know that you in most countries incl Australia, we checkin 1 hour before a domestic flight, 2 hours before an international flight and in the USA 3 hrs before for international and 2 hrs before for domestic when in major air ports.

This avoids heaps of agro by not being late and gives you time for a beer or two before your flight if all goes well with checkin, security, customs, etc.

We have lost heaps of dollars through changing or cancelling flights over the years which is why the airlines can have such cheap air fares - the old no refund policy. I have also never had a satisfactory reply when I have lost a fare through whatever circumstance where part of the fare is airport and government taxes - does the airline get these as well or are we being ripped off by the airports and government as well.

Still, I would rather fly for 2 hours to get to Melbourne from Brisbane than drive for 2 days.

Stevesub
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Reply By: Member - Kingsley N (SA) - Monday, Oct 24, 2005 at 12:55

Monday, Oct 24, 2005 at 12:55
Quote from the Jetstar site is quite clear:

Arrive on Time
To help us get you to your destination on time we must get your flight away on schedule. To do this we will close check-in for Domestic flights 30 minutes before your scheduled departure and for International flights, 60 minutes before your scheduled departure. Check-in will open 2 hours before Domestic flights and 3 hours before International flights are scheduled to depart.

Passengers who arrive after check-in has closed will not be able to board the flight and will lose their seat – no refund or free transfer is available and you will be required to book and pay for a new ticket if you wish to travel.

Once checked-in, you will be required to be at the boarding gate, as least 15 minutes prior to the scheduled departure time for Domestic flights or 35 minutes prior to the scheduled departure time for International flights.

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Reply By: Justin - Monday, Oct 24, 2005 at 13:03

Monday, Oct 24, 2005 at 13:03
I frequently fly Sydney - Perth.

Fortunatley Jet Star are not yet flying this route.

When on a budget I fly Virgin, and although the level of comfort is minimal I have always found the service generally good, and staff friendly (if a little over the top) and always had the impression (am yet to test this) that the staff would do a fair bit to help a passenger in need for what ever reason.

I fly Qantas whenever my partner has enough points to fly me, or there are competitive specials on. It is amazing what difference a movie, meal and an icecream make to a 4 hour flight - and I will happily pay an extra $20 -$40 to fly Qantas, but these kind of specials are rare.

Will certainly to my best to avoid Jet Star when (if?) they start doing the Sydney Perth run. By all accounts they are a real budget airline, with a budget service.

Justin
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Follow Up By: Shaker - Monday, Oct 24, 2005 at 15:38

Monday, Oct 24, 2005 at 15:38
That is very clear & concise!
The problem these days is an absolute lack of punctuality & I guess it takes a firm stand to re-instil these almost forgotten values.
At least someone (Jetstar) is making people be responsible for their own actions.
Naturally I am very sorry that the holiday was spoilt, especially if it took the gloss off it for the kids.
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Follow Up By: Member - Davoe (Widgiemooltha) - Monday, Oct 24, 2005 at 17:21

Monday, Oct 24, 2005 at 17:21
Virgin service is the worst there is - They dont have any 1st they come in and fly only the most profatible routes without offering anything like the services Quantas operates. Quantas responds by cutting there less profatable routes as they now can no longer make enough to subsadise them - Result I can no longer fly Kalgoorlie to Adelaide, Virgin then thinks it can do kalgoorlie to Perth and people snap up tickets only to be told at the last minute the 1st plane!!!!!! was not fully booked so the service is being withdrawn. You reckon that mob of parasites didnt get a sendup in the local paper when one of their jets had to do an emergency landing. Use Virgin by all means but I wont as it contributes to the lessoning of services in the bush
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Follow Up By: BenSpoon - Monday, Oct 24, 2005 at 20:32

Monday, Oct 24, 2005 at 20:32
If you are ever bored on a virgin flight, demand a glass of water after the air con dehydrates you. If you dont have your wallet, you'll be in for a tough fight.

To compare, I could have paid the extra $20 for a Qantass ticket PER-SYD, been served booze, a meal, had inflight entertainment (even just ONE screen on the entire plane is an improvement) and not have had to pay for my bleep ty pink earphones that can only be used on a plane anyway.

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Follow Up By: Justin - Tuesday, Oct 25, 2005 at 10:30

Tuesday, Oct 25, 2005 at 10:30
In response to BenSpoon's comment. Yes you are right, Virgin do like to charge for water, and that is one thing that really irks me. (like a pub trying to charge for water). It is easy enough though, to remember to bring your own!!

In response to the lessoning of services in the bush, maybe Daveo is right. But I remember the bad old days before Virgin - when Ansett and Qantas were the only real choices we had... when it used to cost almost $1000 (and this is 10 years ago!) to fly Sydney-Perth return, or Perth anywhere for that matter!! Affordable flights are better than un-affordable flights - even if the service is on a budget.
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Reply By: Trev88 - Monday, Oct 24, 2005 at 13:06

Monday, Oct 24, 2005 at 13:06
$1700 I dont know how many weeks wages that represents for you but it must hurt. to remidy this I suggest being before time to ensure the cheap package you purchased purchased it not wasted. I to would blame the company if you were that close just to get the misues of my back (because if i acepted the blame I would never hear the end of it) but 1 minute 10 minutes its all academic. What if the person behind you just missed out but they let you in at 2 minutes late he was only 5 minutes late. Im sorry but I expect the airline to take every security precaution to ensure my saftey when traveling and I would not be pleased with their efforts if in their rush to get a late checkin on the flight over looked a hazard to the flight and the other 200 or so passengers.

When I travel Im generaly the first check in then I cant complain about the seats Im given i can ask for a exit row seat.

Also being first normaly ensures early lugage retrevial (first on last off first on to the carosel.

It also give me time to get to the loo and settle in to a good book before the flight.

Being last just creates more pressure when the holiday should be relaxing.

and what about the poor checkin person who has to deal with your $1700 loss while they may have appeared unconcerned I bet they felt absolutly terible for their involvment in your loss.

It is human nature to wnat to blame some one else for you own errors on judgement. last week I lost the cavass roof rack bag while on holiday (a top bloke returned it to the caravan park we we were staying) my first reaction was to blame the wife then the kids then the manufacturer for a poor design (no straps to tuie it on to the roof rake when empty) after balming everyone I could I realised it was my fault because I put it un the roof I filled it I up packed it and I forgot to take it off.

TM2CW

Trevor
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Reply By: Sarg - Monday, Oct 24, 2005 at 21:25

Monday, Oct 24, 2005 at 21:25
Seems as most of the Quantas supporters have forgotten how they ripped everyone off when Anset went down . STUFF'EM and all their hanger on outfits.
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Follow Up By: Member - John (Vic) - Tuesday, Oct 25, 2005 at 12:42

Tuesday, Oct 25, 2005 at 12:42
My how people forget the 40,000 Ansett customers that Qantas flew home for nothing or almost nothing when Ansett crashed leaving them all standing bags in hand so to speak.

Qantas did not change their ticketing prices at all during this period and since then as we are all aware prices have done largely nothing but go down.
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