Fully charging Aux Battery

Submitted: Wednesday, Nov 02, 2005 at 17:43
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Hi All,

Another question about batteries.

I have been informed, and read on other posts, that the vehicle alternator will only charge the aux battery to about 70% of its maximum capacity. ie 80amp/hr battery will only be charged to about 56amp/hrs via car alternator.

I have also been told that you can increase the storage capacity of the aux battery up to 95% by charging with a battery charger.

Does this damage the aux battery doing this, and will the aux battery hold this charge with the engine running and fridge connected whilst driving to the relevant destination?

Many Thanks

TonyG
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Reply By: Alloy c/t - Wednesday, Nov 02, 2005 at 17:54

Wednesday, Nov 02, 2005 at 17:54
Depends on battery type / age ,,altenator capacity ect ect..... best bet is to type battery and/or dual battery systems into the search function of this forum /archives included / be prepared for a long long read.
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Reply By: Member - Norm C (QLD) - Wednesday, Nov 02, 2005 at 18:18

Wednesday, Nov 02, 2005 at 18:18
Oh dear, not this subject again.
Do a search as suggested and you will find some great reading.
Suffice to say, I'm happy that I get my aux batteries (3 of them) way above 70%. I reckon above 90%, but difficult to measure accurately as two of them are AGMs.
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Follow Up By: drivesafe - Wednesday, Nov 02, 2005 at 18:56

Wednesday, Nov 02, 2005 at 18:56
Hi Norm C, you are probably right about the state of charge in your auxiliary batteries being way over the mythical 70%, you can get at least a 95% accurate idea of the state of any type of vehicle battery with a humble multi meter.

Simply let the battery stand with no load or charge connected to for 72 hours, then measure the voltage at the battery terminals.

The best way to obtain a no load, no charge situation is, after your next trip, on arriving home, where your battery is not going to be needed, take the Negative lead off the battery.

NOTE : - For safety reasons, leave the Positive lead connected.

When you disconnect the battery, note the make, type and size of the battery and then do a search on the net and get the relevant details regarding charge voltage as an indicator of the percentage of battery charge for that battery.

Hi TonyG, not being able to get your battery charged over 70% is an urban myth. In all fairness there are a few factors that have to be taken into account but for the vast majority of people who read this site, their driving requirements would put them in a situation where attaining 80 to 90% charge will be the norm and 90 to 95% would be common place.

Cheers.
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Follow Up By: Member - TonyG (Qld) - Wednesday, Nov 02, 2005 at 19:35

Wednesday, Nov 02, 2005 at 19:35
Hi drivesafe,

when using a multimetre to get battery voltage, both batteries read about 12.8 volts.

From reading other posts, this seems to be reached when the battery is at 70%

This made me beilieve the urban myth was true
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Follow Up By: drivesafe - Wednesday, Nov 02, 2005 at 20:39

Wednesday, Nov 02, 2005 at 20:39
Hi TonyG, I’m not sure what you mean by “ this seems to be reached when the battery is at 70% “.

Although not knowing your specific battery's details but if a battery has been sitting for a while and has a reading of 12.8 volts then it is 100% charged and even allowing for the 5% error when using a multi meter, this is still at least 95% charged.

Have a look at the site I have posted below. The address I have posted takes you straight to a section on how to test your battery but have a look around the whole site. It is an exultant place for loads of battery related data.

Battery Data

Hope this is of some help. Cheers
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Follow Up By: time waster - Sunday, Nov 06, 2005 at 16:43

Sunday, Nov 06, 2005 at 16:43
Norm this is unrelated to batteries, how did you go with your brake contoller? i have installed the prodigy to tne 05 hilux and picked up our new eagle outback and found the same as you re not locking up. have it on b3 and 13 and have adjusted brakes on camper up also have 6mm positive and neg wires. still does'nt do what instructions say.
thanks christian
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Follow Up By: Member - Norm C (QLD) - Sunday, Nov 06, 2005 at 17:11

Sunday, Nov 06, 2005 at 17:11
Much the same TW.
I operate on b2 at around 10.

Could never get the trailer brakes to lock up. Although you don't want your brakes locking up, I was trying to get there, then back off so that I knew they were adjusted for maximum braking. Suspect you were trying to do the same.

In the end I am happy with how they work. They pull me up very well with the trailer on and fully loaded.

Just would have been happier if the adjustment worked as described in the instructions.
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Reply By: Sand Man (SA) - Wednesday, Nov 02, 2005 at 19:20

Wednesday, Nov 02, 2005 at 19:20
Whilst there may be some truth to this "myth" if the aux battery is a conventional wet cell battery, it is certainly NOT THE CASE with an AGM battery.

Not only will an AGM (Absorbed Glass Mat) battery charge fairly quickly, but it will reach 100% of its capable charge.

I run two "auxiliary" batteries off the alternator when driving and both get a full charge.
A 55Ah Exide Orbital (AGM) in the engine bay as the main auxiliary and a 75Ah "Thumper" (AGM) portable unit stored in the back and connected via its own controllers to the Auxiliary battery. The primary starting battery is an Exide Extreme wet cell.

Everything is controlled by a Piranha DB150S Isolator and I have experienced no problems at all with this setup.
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Reply By: Mike DiD - Wednesday, Nov 02, 2005 at 21:45

Wednesday, Nov 02, 2005 at 21:45
There are a few situations where a car battery will only be charged to 70%, but they would be pretty rare these days.

For the gory details go to -
www.pajeroclub.com.au/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8397&PN=1
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Reply By: Leroy - Wednesday, Nov 02, 2005 at 22:03

Wednesday, Nov 02, 2005 at 22:03
From ARB (and not speaking about the franchised stores) I have seen the kits installed in friends patrols and the batteries are all Exide N70 which are a combination crank/deepcycle batt.
It does seem odd to swap the batteries like they have done. Would love to know what they were thinking.

Leroy
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