Patrol 3L Vs Pajero 3.2L
Submitted: Friday, Nov 04, 2005 at 10:26
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DaveB
I am looking at buying a new 4WD. Trying to compare a Nissan 3L Patrol ST model to a Pajero 3.2L GLS Model (both autos). I currently own a 1999 Jackeroo (Petrol Auto) which has done
Vic High Country a couple of times,
Simpson Desert, plus several State Forests in NSW. Not interested in any extreme off roading. I need to tow a 1.8 tonne boat. The Paj seems to be better value. Comments would be appreciated
Reply By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Friday, Nov 04, 2005 at 11:02
Friday, Nov 04, 2005 at 11:02
I would think the Paj would go better, but the patrol would be the tougher of the 2 vehicles. Paj his a monocoque body which can stretch if used to tow heavy loads (so I've been told). The Patrol has the proven ladder chassis and would be better tow vehicle i would think.
Paj would be more comfortable (more car-like).
Patrol is more truck-like with that huge solid front axle and great wheel articulation.
Depends on what you're gunna use the vehicle for (other than towing).
My money would be on the Patrol (but I admit to being biased)......and I'd go for the 4.2 manual.....but that's just me being an old-fashioned phart.
Cheers
Roachie
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Follow Up By: Scubaroo - Friday, Nov 04, 2005 at 11:34
Friday, Nov 04, 2005 at 11:34
"Paj his a monocoque body which can stretch if used to tow heavy loads (so I've been told)"
Hahahaha! There's a new one.
FWIW Mitsubishi did a set of tests to dispell myths about the monocoque body "twisting and windscreens popping out" from being snatched on a single off-centre recovery point. Nothing of the sort happened - gaps between body panels were measured before and after tests - no change. So how someone could come up with the idea that towing could "stretch" a Pajero is beyond me - obviously brand bias.
If you want some genuine
feedback on the Pajero diesel, go to www.pajeroclub.com.au and ask the many happy 3.2L DiD owners.
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Follow Up By: Member - Davoe (Widgiemooltha) - Friday, Nov 04, 2005 at 13:32
Friday, Nov 04, 2005 at 13:32
The public has spoken on the Paj I currently see at least as many of these things driven by travellers towing vans on the highway (albeit small to medium vans) as cruiser/patrols. The big boys are of course the weapon of choice for large vans
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Reply By: Snowy 3.0iTD - Friday, Nov 04, 2005 at 11:56
Friday, Nov 04, 2005 at 11:56
As long as you are looking at 3.0L Patrols 2003 and beyond then it really comes down to personal preference, I did the same debate myself when buying my Patrol. The 3.0lt in the Patrols before 2003 can be prone to problems. As for chassis stretching when towing I don't see how that is possible when the rear wheels are doing the driving placing most of the vehicle under a slight compression load, which only leaves the tow bar which are usually very solidly constructed. Both are very good vehicles and it comes down to personal preference, I would reccommend a Safari
Snorkel and DTronic as top accessories to buy for either as
well.
Regards
Snowy
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Reply By: GeeVee - Friday, Nov 04, 2005 at 14:01
Friday, Nov 04, 2005 at 14:01
Dave,
I bought a GLX Di D Pajero (Manual) in June. My rationale was 1)
Well appointed for a base level vehicle, (A/C, Cruise, ABS, Dual SRS, Alloys all standard), 2) Very comfortable to drive & travel in, 3) Very economical (have averaged 9L/100km over 11,000 kms) 4) Good power (121kw) and torque (373Nm). For majority highway travelling, some off-road work and some towing, a good fit. I also have a GQ 4.2L turbo diesel, one solid, bullet proof truck! I believe the same ruggedness flows through to the 3L Patrols. Each vehicle has its' strengths and weaknesses, and are very different to drive. At the end of the day it is a matter of matching a vehicle to your specific requirements. My "two bobs worth".
Regards,
Greg
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Reply By: Fusion - Friday, Nov 04, 2005 at 15:27
Friday, Nov 04, 2005 at 15:27
G'day Dave,
I have the 2005 3L TD Patrol Auto. Great beast. I flew down to Vic. on the weekend for some work and hired a Pajero (petrol) auto. Here are my general impressions.
Paj, much more comfortable and carlike. Through rough dirt roads etc remained composed, where I know the Pat would be throwing me around.
Very large open cabin compared to the Patrol, with a much better over bonnet view.
Seemed lower to the ground than the Patrol.
As has been said here already, the Paj is much more comfortable and better on road, the Patrol will be better offroad. I reckon towing the weight you're talking about will be fine either way. The only other item is resale value. You'll need to
check out redbook to see what to expect with regards depreciation.
Thanks,
Aaron.
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Follow Up By: pjchris - Friday, Nov 04, 2005 at 15:38
Friday, Nov 04, 2005 at 15:38
The seating position in the Patrol is higher off the ground but specifications show the Paj actually has more ground clearance.
If you are intending to raise the vehicle you can lift a Patrol MUCH more than a Paj. As the Paj is independent
suspension all round it is limited to 50-70mm max lift.
As far as better off-road goes, the Patrol will be better but only in EXTREME situations.
Peter
Peter
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Reply By: Spade Newsom - Friday, Nov 04, 2005 at 19:33
Friday, Nov 04, 2005 at 19:33
I drive a Pajero petrol auto privately and have a 2005 Patrol 3.0L auto for work.
I like both vehicles and list the following for and against in my opinion as a direct comparison;
Pajero
For Comfortable car like handling on tar and quite good off road. Upgrade of
suspension and tyres for extreme conditions would not hurt. Semi auto gear shift is excellent for towing. Good visability, turning circle. Second row
seat is high and gives the kids a good view.
Against Hard on tyres and standard wheel size has few options. Rear
seat is handy at times because it folds under the floor but can be nuisance if used alot
Patrol
For Lots of cabin room and very easy to drive. Good offroad capabilities. Tyre wear is excellent.
Against extra gear in auto would be handy. Both front seats do not slide back far enough. A little bit doughy from standing start until the turbo kicks in.
Both tow pretty
well although I have not towed 1.8tonne.
Resale seems similar both are nothing flash.
Close call for me but the auto gear shift of the Pajero tilts it that way for me.
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Follow Up By: Scubaroo - Friday, Nov 04, 2005 at 22:24
Friday, Nov 04, 2005 at 22:24
Rip out the third row seats in a Pajero, and you get 90-100L+ of underfloor storage space that you wouldn't know was there if you don't know to look for it. You can fit a *lot* in that space and the vehicle looks empty - I have the following in there at the moment:
Cyclone 4WD shovel
10L spring water plastic container
Basic recovery kit
Compressor
Large
first aid kit
Gold pans
Fishing gear
Rolls of dunny paper
Couple of emergency blankets
Versalite
1kg fire extinguisher (needs to be mounted elsewhere, but still fits)
Car picnic blanket
Still space around it to pack more stuff. The vehicle looks empty.
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Follow Up By: Dean (SA) - Saturday, Nov 05, 2005 at 15:43
Saturday, Nov 05, 2005 at 15:43
Gday Scubaroo,
Thats an extensive list of things shoved down there. I agree its a excellent storage space.
The gold pans?
Dean
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Follow Up By: Scubaroo - Saturday, Nov 05, 2005 at 22:40
Saturday, Nov 05, 2005 at 22:40
Still in there from a weekend away :-)
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Follow Up By: Spade Newsom - Monday, Nov 07, 2005 at 09:27
Monday, Nov 07, 2005 at 09:27
Scubaroo,
I also utilise the underfloor storage, usualy when the rear
seat is set up.
Do you have some sort of storage system so that (assuming
seat has been removed from the vehicle) you can use, conveniently, both inside the cabin and underfloor?
I find that I end up having to unpack half the boot to get at the underfloor storage.
Also the underfloor is prone to scratching and damage. Have you got any sort of protection in there.
I love my Pajero and just wish I could get decent wear out of a set of tyres.
Spade
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Follow Up By: Scubaroo - Monday, Nov 07, 2005 at 10:19
Monday, Nov 07, 2005 at 10:19
Haven't got any storage system set up - there's a few homebuilds on the Pajero Club
forum though people have come up with. I agree it's a pain to access if the back is full. Waiting to see what fridge I end up getting some time next year before commiting to anything shelving-wise - will also be a homebuild if I do anything back there. Needs to be easily removeable to cater for other vehicle uses like transporting the dog, diving etc.
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Reply By: DaveB - Monday, Nov 07, 2005 at 10:27
Monday, Nov 07, 2005 at 10:27
Thanks for all your comments. To confuse my choices I
test drove a new Pathfinder auto diesel. Great on the blacktop, bit of engine noise, wife doesn't like seats, no simple place for dual battery setup, not sure about cargo barriers.
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Reply By: Member - Ross P (NSW) - Monday, Nov 07, 2005 at 11:20
Monday, Nov 07, 2005 at 11:20
I have a 3.2L DiD Exceed Auto. Previously had an NM 3.5L petrol. I tow 16 ft Coromal Seaka 505 Pioneer XC dirt road van. The van can wiegh a tad over 1800 kg when the missus is finished and has a ball weigth of around 220 kg.
After much tooing and froing, thought the LC overpriced and the Prado did not have the bells and whistles like MATT except in Grande. Like most 4WD owners my car serves as a work/ town car most of the time and I do not use it for extreme condiotions. For my use the Paj was better than the Patrol. Having said that I have towed through some reasonablly rough areas. eg
Lawn Hill NP, King Fisher
Camp, Bowthorne sStation and many
places in between. Also came down through
Birdsville to
Innamincka vis
Walkers Crossing. No problems towing although I took it reasonably gently.
Went diesel because of 373 Nm at 2000 rpm and with better fuel consumption than the 3.8 L Petrol I get at least a respectable range when towing. The Paj only has a 90 L fuel tank in standard configuration.
Auto/Tiptronic transmission is great for normal use and for towing.
With heaps of torque it's is interesting to put the car in cruise control and it never drops out like my NM used to do on hills.
The third row
seat, IMHO, is not useable even for children.
DiD is a fairly noisy beast.
Regards
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