Instructions for building a battery box

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Anyone got a good reference for setting up a battery box for portable power? I'm assuming there's a bit more to it than jsut dropping the biggest Ah battery you can find into a black plastic box. Looking at remote power for Versalites etc, potentially a fridge, in the tent.
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Reply By: V8troopie - Thursday, Nov 10, 2005 at 00:43

Thursday, Nov 10, 2005 at 00:43
If you are planning to carry that battery around a bit then you need a box with a comfortable carrying handle.
I built a box out of plywood that looks like an old fashioned tool caddy. The box is sized to the battery and the carry handle (20mm dowel) is removable to be able to insert the battery. This battery is used to power a home built winch on a boat trailer and the box works well, getting carried to and from the car and to the charger in the garage.

I just fitted large brass screws with wing nuts to the battery posts to connect my winch, it would be easy to fit any other connectors to the side of the box if required.

If you build something like that make it sturdy, especially the box base to sides attachment, so it can survive a bit of rough handling. Also, seal the box with something (sealer, paint etc,) to prevent acid seeping into the wood should some escape from over enthusiastic charging.

I have not yet come across a plastic battery box that was as easy to carry around as my plywood box is.

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Reply By: 4145derek - Thursday, Nov 10, 2005 at 07:15

Thursday, Nov 10, 2005 at 07:15
I am putting together a portable dual battery system which includes the controller, spike protection, anderson plugs, lighter socket and universal wiring connection. It is all in a plastic battery box complete with carry handle and externall brass wing nuts for other items you want to connect. Will be ready in about 5 days and will go up on ebay ABR has usefull ebay links to products. Regards Derek.
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Reply By: Sand Man (SA) - Thursday, Nov 10, 2005 at 08:23

Thursday, Nov 10, 2005 at 08:23
Whitworth's Marine have them ranging from a plain box at $10.95 (Why would you make one out of plywood?) to a fully fitted out unit at $78.90.

Just a matter of what battery you then choose to fit inside. The best for your use would be an AGM battery but they do cost a bit.

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Follow Up By: Sand Man (SA) - Thursday, Nov 10, 2005 at 08:39

Thursday, Nov 10, 2005 at 08:39
Scubaroo,

The reason I mentioned the AGM type battery is that they do not generate explosive gases when charging, cannot spill if tipped over and charge more quickly than a conventional wet cell battery.

The actual capacity in Amp Hours of the battery and what you choose to run off it should determine your budget for a solution.

If you only intend to run a 12 volt fluro, etc. then you may be better of looking at a ready made "Jump pack" available at Repco or Super Cheap for about $100.00 or so. These will give you about an 18Ah life between charging and they are an AGM style.

If you intend running a sizable Fridge as well, then something in the order of 70Ah+ would be more appropriate and thus you could put an appropriate battery inside a battery box, or budget around $800 for the ultimate in portable units, a "Thumper" from Blue Apple. (Home of 12 volt). This unit comes with an in-car charging kit.

P.S. Not associated with Blue Apple in any way, just a satisfied customer.
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Follow Up By: Vince NSW - Thursday, Nov 10, 2005 at 13:10

Thursday, Nov 10, 2005 at 13:10
I have one of the Whitworth Battery boxes to run an elec outboard. I have a 100ah wet cell as that's all I couls afford at the time. The unit comes with a + & - terminal plus a cig lighter socket as well as a basic 3 light display of battery condition.
Works well apart from the weight.
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Reply By: Member - Collyn R (WA) - Thursday, Nov 10, 2005 at 10:57

Thursday, Nov 10, 2005 at 10:57
If using any of the commercial thumpers replace the existing cables by cable of least foiur times the cross sectional area. Copper cable is very expensive and the makers economise in this area.
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Follow Up By: Sand Man (SA) - Thursday, Nov 10, 2005 at 11:17

Thursday, Nov 10, 2005 at 11:17
Collyn,

I assume you are referring to existing cables to accessory sockets?

The Thumper comes complete with a pair of Charge Controllers, (fused) 15 metres of 6mm sq. cable, a 50 amp Anderson connector to install in the rear (or wherever) of the vehicle and a patch lead with an Anderson connector on each end to connect between the vehicle installed connector and the one on the Thumper case.

The 75Ah jobbie I have also includes a pair of jumper cables with a heavier duty Anderson connector on one end and clamps on the other.

The "Thumper" is a professionally constructed unit that is IMHO unsurpassed in a practical solution that in most cases would eliminate the need for a separate dual-battery system.

These units used to be sold through the Waeco Fridge dealerships but now are available in an expanded range.
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Reply By: Member - Collyn R (WA) - Thursday, Nov 10, 2005 at 11:33

Thursday, Nov 10, 2005 at 11:33
Comment was a generalisation but should have made it clearer I was referring to supplied jumper leads. Same comment applies to jumper leads generally. Most are more insulation than conductor and have huge voltage drop on heavy loads.

Best to make your own - but a good pair of three-four metre leads with proper clamps will not leave much, if any, change out of $100. But can make all the difference between a successful jump start - or otherwise.

Welding cable incidentally (from electrical wholesalers) is more flexible and usually a great deal cheaper than battery cable.
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Follow Up By: Sand Man (SA) - Thursday, Nov 10, 2005 at 14:23

Thursday, Nov 10, 2005 at 14:23
In fairness to the Australian manufacturer of what I believe is an excellent product, let me just say that the jumper leads (at least on the 75Ah unit I own) has a cable measurement of 25mm square and is capable of providing 1200 Cold Cranking Amps. Enough, I would have thought for most, if not all, diesels.

Collyn,

You are highlighting a valid point that people need to take into consideration, but as I see it, you may well be inadvertently classifying the "Thumper" into a sort of sub-standard manufacturered product class where it doesn't deserve to be.

I researched the available products before I outlayed my hard-earned dollars and I don't believe any "upgrade" to the supplied components of this unit is warranted.
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Reply By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Thursday, Nov 10, 2005 at 15:19

Thursday, Nov 10, 2005 at 15:19
If it were just for a fluoro, a 7Ah gel cell (SB-2486) inside a Jaycar SLA carry bag (SB-6360) - www.jaycar.com.au.

I've had a couple of these for years, and are way more portable than bigger units. But with the new truck setup, I have a 15metre twin cable and cig socket that I just pull out when I need it.
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Follow Up By: Member - Collyn R (WA) - Thursday, Nov 10, 2005 at 18:22

Thursday, Nov 10, 2005 at 18:22
Re '25 mm' cables - are you referring to the overall diameter , overall cross section, or to the only meaningful measurements the conductor cross section in sq mm, or the diameter from which the former can be calculated.

Am not suggesting product of poor quality but have yet to see any product like this one that could not be improved by substantially larger section cable.

The rating on most jump cables does not relate to voltage drop but the max they can carry for a specified time before the insulation melts. It is a current-related fire limitation only.

There has built up a common misunderstanding over this. To ask for a '10' amp (12-volt cable) is meaningless unless there is also an indication of length. In other words a specific size '10-amp' cable may be just fine it it's a a couple of metres long - but useless if it's 10 metres long.
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Reply By: Sand Man (SA) - Friday, Nov 11, 2005 at 08:05

Friday, Nov 11, 2005 at 08:05
Collyn,

you are just being pedantic in your assumption that "everything needs improving" so there "must be something wrong with the product" and therefore, by default you are bagging a product without obtaining valid information.

The specs I quoted were "word of mouth" from the Electrical Engineer at Blue Apple.

Should you, or any other interested parties require further information, I suggest you contact Blue Apple (Home of 12 Volt) on 08 8536 2144.

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Follow Up By: Mainey (WA) - Friday, Nov 25, 2005 at 00:09

Friday, Nov 25, 2005 at 00:09
I have contacted Blue Apple and was informed their 56 Amp Hour battery pack retails in excess of $500.

That is $500 for ONLY a measily 56 A/H

it's only a toy when you compare it to a 100+ A/h AGM battery for $220
or 2 x 100+ a/h batteries for $440, or even a larger AGM maybe about 150 a/h for less than 400.

I know what I would use, and it would not be 56 a/h for $500 :-((
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Reply By: Mainey (WA) - Saturday, Nov 12, 2005 at 03:38

Saturday, Nov 12, 2005 at 03:38
the question is... Anyone got a good reference for setting up a battery box for portable power? Looking at remote power for Versalites etc, "potentially" a FRIDGE.

First off you DO have to know what you want it for.... before you build it!!!

With a fridge you will have to go for THICK cable as Collyn has said
for only lights you could use 4mm sq cable without a hassle but you will never, repeat never, be able to run a fridge "at any distance" from the battery simply because you will definately have a voltage drop with undersize cables.

Obviously a sealed DC battery or far better still an AGM battery (~$210 @ 100a/h)

A really smart idea would be to also have an expanded voltage meter (10v to 16v, about $39) attached to the 'box' and also an Ampmeter (about 15a) to see if power is going into or out of the battery and see what amps you are using, as you may also want to use a small low cost portable solar panel/sheet to recharge the portable battery system at some future time.
You need the battery and the guages before you attempt to build the container, because it should be built to fit snugly and you will then also save space as well.
The idea of ply is interesting and would be an easy method to contain the portable battery system.
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