Roofrack or box trailer?

Submitted: Monday, Nov 21, 2005 at 13:49
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Please consider these two options.
Option one.
4wd wagon with full length roof rack. Fully loaded with camping gear, some of it is quite heavy, including afew jerry cans of fuel. The height of the load stacked up on top of the roof rack is about 500mm high.
Option two.
Same 4wd towing tx4 box trailer. Carrying same camping gear, probably alittle more gear infact. Height of trailer is only about 1000mm off ground and width is about same as vehicle towing it.
Which vehicle will use more fuel?
Which vehicle will handle better?
Which set up will be easier to "live with" on an outback family touring holiday?
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Reply By: Truckster (Vic) - Monday, Nov 21, 2005 at 13:54

Monday, Nov 21, 2005 at 13:54
1 Vote for trailer as best option
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Reply By: flappa - Monday, Nov 21, 2005 at 14:00

Monday, Nov 21, 2005 at 14:00
Trailer best option. Been there done that
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Follow Up By: Outbacktourer - Monday, Nov 21, 2005 at 17:41

Monday, Nov 21, 2005 at 17:41
Agreed me too.

Which vehicle will use more fuel?

Economy will be similar so long as trailer travels "in the hole" and is not pushing any air.

Which vehicle will handle better?

Properly set-up you will not even know the trailer is there most of the time.

Which set up will be easier to "live with" on an outback family touring holiday?

Definitey the trailer. You can leave it when you want to go "bush bashing" and it's much easier to pack/unpack.

Three major downsides of trailers:

1. Stones. Make sure you fit a good stone gaurd and as insurance get a protective cover for your rear window. Otherwise, not only will the trailer get sandblasted but rock ricochet back onto the tow vehicle and broken rear windows are not uncommon.

2. Dust. Good sealing is essential and if possible seal all rear facing openings completely.

3. You cannot use harder 4WD tracks as through roads.

Also, if you are on a budget, provided you are sticking to major highways and roads a properly constructed heavy duty box trailer on a set of light truck 8 ply Dunlop SP's might do everything you need provided you can keep it all under 750Kg.
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Reply By: Kiwi Kia - Monday, Nov 21, 2005 at 14:06

Monday, Nov 21, 2005 at 14:06
Lots of questions, lots of answers !

Will you be on sand, do you like to 'put the pedal to the metal', do you want to go into and do all the tracks in all the parks.

Towing on soft sand needs more pulling power (low down torque).
High speed travel is not a good idea when towing a trailer, instability could cause a major disaster.
Trailers are not allowed in some areas e.g. the Bungles.

If you go for the trailer option then it would be a good idea to have the same size wheels on trailer as on 4x4.

Trailer is easier to load and unload which is a big plus for the heavier items.
For convenience I would go for the trailer but have a good 'anti theft' mechanism built in and have a good sturdy roof rack so you can load the essentials up top and park the trailer for a couple of days when / if you need to.
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Follow Up By: cloughie - Monday, Nov 21, 2005 at 16:11

Monday, Nov 21, 2005 at 16:11
Trailers are allowed in the Bungles, just no caravans.
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Follow Up By: Kiwi Kia - Monday, Nov 21, 2005 at 19:14

Monday, Nov 21, 2005 at 19:14
Are you sure ? I am sure the sign says NO TRAILERS.
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Reply By: cuffs - Monday, Nov 21, 2005 at 14:33

Monday, Nov 21, 2005 at 14:33
Off road box trailer every time so easy to lean over than to climb every time you need to pack and unpack, treg coupling has a good key lock system, store trailer in safe place (back of cop shop) when going for day adventure. Have not heard of any box trailer stolen on out back trips but have heard of canopy sliced and a genny taken.
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Reply By: Member - Beatit (QLD) - Monday, Nov 21, 2005 at 15:29

Monday, Nov 21, 2005 at 15:29
Go camper trailer and you'll never regret it. Everyone I know has gone through this thought process and come up with a trailer because it is simply so much more than a roof rack. If you have the fairer sex camping as well you'll be a hero with the trailer.

Kind regards
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Reply By: Willem - Monday, Nov 21, 2005 at 18:10

Monday, Nov 21, 2005 at 18:10
Have just gone the trailer way.

7x4 HD Chequer plate Offroad Trailer

Trailer weight = 418kg

False floor 5kg
carpet 3kg
Spare wheels 64kg (32kg x2)...the extra one is for the GQ
Frame for wheels 10kg
Tonnau cover 2kg
BBQ plate 6.3kg
1 large+2 small tarps 2.2kg
40lts water (2x20lts) 42kg
8 rubber mats 2kg
Oztent Ranger 19kg
Screen tent 7.2kg
Toilet tent 5.4kg
2kg Gas bottles 11.8kg
2x Sleeping bags 4.5kg
2x Off Road mats 10.9kg
Roll up table 7.2kg
Trolley jack 12.7kg
Tools 5kg
12 jerry cans 48kg

= 675kg

75 lts diesel 75kg

= 750kg

Full capacity fuel 240lts diesel extra 165kg = 915kg

165kg overweight for very short distances only

Now roof rack is empty, might even remove it. But it is a handy thing to have.
Trailer runs 265/75/16 tyres same as GQ. Polyblock coupling and shockabsorbers still to be fitted.

No more busting guts to get things off the roofrack

Will have to see how fuel consumption goes. Trailer will be used for long track trips and some offroad stuff.
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Follow Up By: GOB & denny vic member - Monday, Nov 21, 2005 at 18:18

Monday, Nov 21, 2005 at 18:18
goodday willem
i will bite why the false floor or will you put fuel then floor then rest of gear

steve
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Follow Up By: Willem - Monday, Nov 21, 2005 at 18:33

Monday, Nov 21, 2005 at 18:33
G'day Steve

Yes the false floor covers the jerries which are lying down on carpet and free from overhead weight. Everything is snug and secure.

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Reply By: HJ60-2H - Monday, Nov 21, 2005 at 18:43

Monday, Nov 21, 2005 at 18:43
Roof racks:

are easier to reverse.
require less maintenance
easier to store
dont need registration
dont need pink slips/rego checks
make great viewing platforms
don't interfere with rear cargo bay access
allow you to carry longer things than on a box trailer
give you a place to easily mount a flood lamp up high
dont jacknife
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Monday, Nov 21, 2005 at 19:16

Monday, Nov 21, 2005 at 19:16
Roof racks:

>>> are easier to reverse. FFS, how hard is a trailer to reverse? - lets see you go into some underground carparks with a roofy or low tracks..

>>> require less maintenance - 2 wheel bearings. Thats pretty savage chit there.

>>> easier to store how -depends if you have a shed or not, -> hard is a 7x4 to store?

>>> dont need registration - $30.00 better do a ronald biggs.

>>> dont need pink slips/rego checks - neither do box trailers.

>>> make great viewing platforms - so does the spare wheel on the door.

>>> don't interfere with rear cargo bay access - neither does a well placed trailer.

>>> allow you to carry longer things than on a box trailer - lets see you get a load of sand, rock, or dirt or carry bikes or other heavy large chit on a roofrack.

>>> give you a place to easily mount a flood lamp up high - so does rear wheel carrier.

>>> dont jacknife - wow. he has 1.
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Follow Up By: gramps - Monday, Nov 21, 2005 at 19:39

Monday, Nov 21, 2005 at 19:39
I guess you seriously do prefer a trailer then Truckster :))))))))
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Follow Up By: HJ60-2H - Monday, Nov 21, 2005 at 20:01

Monday, Nov 21, 2005 at 20:01
Oh well if you are going to be like that then I guess I need to respond along the same lines as you.

>>> are easier to reverse. FFS, how hard is a trailer to reverse? - lets see you go into underground carparks with a roofy or low tracks.. REPLY:Lets see you get into an underground carpark and park a trailer legally so you dont interfere with traffic flow. Alternatively put I have yet to see an underground carpark in the sprts of places where I go camping. There are people who visit boat ramps for entertainment by way of watching people reverse simple trailers. So There are certainly loads of peole who find them hard to reverse.

>>> require less maintenance - 2 wheel bearings. Thats pretty savage chit there. REPLY: Obviously mechanically niave here, take a look under 1 on a sunny day. Trailer have suspension systems as well, known as sprigs. I know as I heve helped to rebuild then on the the side of the road to Cape York.

>>> easier to store how -depends if you have a shed or not, -> hard is a 7x4 to store? REPLY: Hard of you have a single parking space. Roof racks are easily stored, usually slung up in the carport/garage.

>>> dont need registration - $30.00 better do a ronald biggs. REPLY: very witty...

>>> dont need pink slips/rego checks - neither do box trailers. REPLY: Cops check them when they pull you over, especially the lights.

>>> make great viewing platforms - so does the spare wheel on the door. REPLY: Like to see you get my family on the spare wheel which on my vehilce is under the vehicle!!

>>> don't interfere with rear cargo bay access - neither does a well placed trailer. REPLY: OK let me clarify. Roof racks dont have shin busting drawbars.

>>> allow you to carry longer things than on a box trailer - lets see you get a load of sand, rock, or dirt or carry bikes or other heavy large chit on a roofrack. REPLY: Sand isn't very long. I did say long or did you miss that bit??

>>> give you a place to easily mount a flood lamp up high - so does rear wheel carrier. REPLY: Not under my 60 it wont.

>>> dont jacknife - wow. he has 1. REPLY: Very witty

Both have their places, just thought i'd even up the points so it didn't turn into a "how I set up my box trailer" thread. For the record I have had 2 trailers and 2 rood racks.
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Monday, Nov 21, 2005 at 23:40

Monday, Nov 21, 2005 at 23:40
>>> REPLY:Lets see you get into an underground carpark and park a trailer legally so you dont interfere with traffic flow.
Miranda Fair, there is/was sections where you can up on the roof (of all ilogical places), and near parcel pickup.

>>> There are people who visit boat ramps for entertainment by way of watching people reverse simple trailers. So There are certainly loads of peole who find them hard to reverse.
Its like driving a car, You have to learn. If they cant reverse then they should LEARN how to, it isnt that hard, I taught the wife to reverse a box trailer full of rock on the weekend. it sucked and took hours, and 1/2 a tank of petrol, but she did it on her own second load. I

>>> Obviously mechanically niave here, take a look under 1 on a sunny day. Trailer have suspension systems as well, known as sprigs. I know as I heve helped to rebuild then on the the side of the road to Cape York.
Yet again, masses of maintanance. how often do you check them(depends on trailer use - eg daily, monthly yearly)...

>>> Roof racks are easily stored, usually slung up in the carport/garage.
Not if you dont have a carport/garage.

>>> very witty...
Thats what Mine cost.

>>> Cops check them when they pull you over, especially the lights.
they arent pink slips, again, how often do you get pulled over to have your trailer lights checked? never in 5yrs of towing race bikes round Aus

>>> Like to see you get my family on the spare wheel which on my vehilce is under the vehicle!!
Mine is on the back door, and can fit 2 kids up there easily.

>>> OK let me clarify. Roof racks dont have shin busting drawbars.
let me clarify, well placed trailer wont get in the way and can be used for a table.

>>> Sand isn't very long. I did say long or did you miss that bit??
No, I was using other examples to show your errors. Also the many other uses of trailers compared to racks.

>>> Not under my 60 it wont.
I cant help that poor design, it is on 99% of other 4bs inc many 60's..

>>> Both have their places, just thought i'd even up the points so it didn't turn into a "how I set up my box trailer" thread. For the record I have had 2 trailers and 2 rood racks.

I had a roofrack, it was a parachute. Fuel economy went to bleep , car slowed to a crawl, sold it to someone in canberra off here If I remember correctly. Glad to see arse end of it.
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Reply By: Member - Bware - Monday, Nov 21, 2005 at 19:10

Monday, Nov 21, 2005 at 19:10
Have been considering the same and in the end I agree with HJ60-2H. Also, once at our destination everything is unpacked and what isn't needed in camp will fit in the wagon so there is no need to be accessing the roofrack unless you move camp constantly (which we used to do but found we spent more time setting up and breaking camp than enjoying our trip!).
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Reply By: Spade Newsom - Monday, Nov 21, 2005 at 20:05

Monday, Nov 21, 2005 at 20:05
Depends where I am going and for how long.

6 x 4 Box trailer for short trips no rough stuff. Minimal planning no brianer camping. eg 2 - 3 days where not suitable for camper trailer to set up or swags better option.
Roof rack for longer trip with a lot of planning to keep gear to a minimum. eg Simpson trip when I get around to it or when towing boat.
Camper trailer for extended trip or comfort and convenience a priority.

Sometimes a combination however prefer not to use both trailer and roof rack. If I need to then I have probably packed too much.

Fuel usage. Not really a priority for me as I don't get many holiday opportunities but I expect much the same.

Spade
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Reply By: Member - Barry W (VIC) - Monday, Nov 21, 2005 at 21:52

Monday, Nov 21, 2005 at 21:52
All depends on how much you intend to carry in vehicle and roof rack and stay legal not only with Mr plod but more importantly your insurance company ???
Doesn't take much gear for an extended trip to become overloaded especially with a family ??
I have travelled this great land for the past 25yrs when kids were younger and finances meager truck and roof rack were the go then up graded to camper trailer
a lot easier now there is just MUM & ME I still prefer the camper/ trailer especially for longer trips ( We have both 4x4 camper & Off Road 7x4 trailer)
In all our travells the things that stand out most of all for those that are unfortunate to have problems are:-
1.. Vechicle over loaded
2.. Driving way to fast to fit everything into schedual
a well set up 4x4 trailer will take all the stress off the vehicle and for the small inconvenience of towing a trailer far out ways all the other problems of trying to fit everything into your vehicle
Our trailer goes everywhere the "Cruiser" goes I can honestly say that it has never caused us any great hardship and we have travellerd some extreme places.
But I must stress that any trailer intended for off road use has to be very well thought out Unfortunately there are a few trailers out there that are cashing in on the 4x4 status but I wouldn't even take them to my local tip ???
I have built 4 off road trailers over the years plus one professional built trailer which fell to bits, if you need any advice I am quite happy to share my experiences both good and bad with you
Good Luck
cheers
Barry
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Reply By: Member - Reiner G (QLD) - Monday, Nov 21, 2005 at 23:00

Monday, Nov 21, 2005 at 23:00
I have to talk to my wife........ I think we travel to light........what are you all taking with you in the bush???
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Follow Up By: Spade Newsom - Tuesday, Nov 22, 2005 at 19:13

Tuesday, Nov 22, 2005 at 19:13
Everything......
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