Telstra Customers Beware

Submitted: Tuesday, Nov 22, 2005 at 16:48
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Although this is an unrelated topic I would just like to warn Telstra customers out there about their phone plans, so that you guys don't end up out of pocket like myself.

Between my home phone, two mobiles and a internet connection my monthly telstra bill is regularly betwee $250 - $350. One evening a few months ago I recieved a marketing phonecall from Telstra "Would I like to sign up to their $99 Home Mobile Cap" I put my home phone, one mobile, two if I wanted and internet on this plan and as long as I didn't make more than $400 worth of calls I wouldn't pay more than about $200. Was asked to agree to this over the phone which I foolishly did. Expecting to see a marked drop in my phone bills, the next one totalled $340, and the one just recieved Was $320, and usage over the last couple of months has been light for me. When telstra were queried about this they went in to a load of crap about changeover periods, endless terms and conditions. Basically it is a fraud, it will not save you money, if anything it will cost you more, just to add insult to injury if I want to cancel the plan, I have to pay another $150. They are still promoting this as far as I am aware, but it really is a case of "The Devil is in the Detail". If anyone is considering it, my advice would be to avoid it like the plauge, I am currently talking to various industry watchdogs.
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Reply By: gramps - Tuesday, Nov 22, 2005 at 16:56

Tuesday, Nov 22, 2005 at 16:56
If they've already got you for $250-$350 per month why on earth would they try to reduce your overall bill? I can understand it if you're with one of their 'competitors'.

I know, 20-20 hindsight is a wonderful thing :)))))

Thanks for the warning Snowy.

When I get called for these things and ask for the deal in writing before signing up, I have yet to receive anything at all from Telstra.

As far as I'm concerned if they are not willing to put the deal in writing there is no deal, or none that I'm prepared to enter into anyway.
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Reply By: Member - Russell B (SA) - Tuesday, Nov 22, 2005 at 17:00

Tuesday, Nov 22, 2005 at 17:00
We have all enjoyed dealing with Telstra staff over the years, they are lovely people who have probably have not been given the appopriate training or access to the information needed to deal with us.

Its a bit like the old joke "Whats the difference between a computer /telephone / techno salesperson and a used vehicle salesperson??"

The used vehicle salesperson KNOWS their lying!!

boom boom.

Sorry but its a real problem and it costs us dearly, im my last episode with Telstra they wanted $1200 buckeroos out of me they weren't entitled to and it took a stiff conversation and mentioning the "O" word (ombudsman) to sort them out.

The B&^%*&^%*ds

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Reply By: Motherhen - Tuesday, Nov 22, 2005 at 17:02

Tuesday, Nov 22, 2005 at 17:02
May daughter said yesterday - just go with whatever the Indian's offer you and after a few days Telstra will be ringing you up with much better deals to get you back.
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Reply By: Member - JD - Tuesday, Nov 22, 2005 at 17:13

Tuesday, Nov 22, 2005 at 17:13
Hi Snowy,
I was with a mob,...big ocean, not wanting to name because of possible nasty reactions..but i think you will get the jist,for internet,and I have kids and we went over our down load limit our first bill was $550 aprox as I cant remember exzactly how much it was,so I cut my losses and paid my way out of my contract..I think it cost me another $800 or so...but considering my first bill this was nothing compared to what threatened to keep coming our way...once I got overmy hip pocket nerve shock I think it was a prudent move...WILL NEVER GO BACK AS LONG AS MY DIGIT PIONTS TO THE GROUND..sorry for yelling..Igot carried away...its been going on a long time.
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Reply By: Sand Man (SA) - Tuesday, Nov 22, 2005 at 17:15

Tuesday, Nov 22, 2005 at 17:15
Don't let them bluff you. Pull the plug and refuse to pay the $150 cancellation fee.

The only penalty you may incur, is if you have a current mobile contract with them.

I give Telstra one shot at giving me a "better" deal and this is ONLY by talking to a salesperson at a Telstra Shop. Any phone calls I get from their Indian based marketing Group is very short indeed. I can't understand them anyway, so it is, "not interested thank you" then "f*ck off" and hang up in their ear.
They seem to understand the second action real good.
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Follow Up By: Member - Ross H (QLD) - Wednesday, Nov 23, 2005 at 00:33

Wednesday, Nov 23, 2005 at 00:33
Hi sandman
The best thing to do is let them start talking and after about 30 seconds just say to them can you just hold on for a minute please. You then place the phone down dont hang up though ,sit down have a beer watch tv. All these calls work on statistics and when you blow their times out the window you will find they dont ring again soon. It has worked fine for me I went from 3-6 calls a week to about 1 a month.

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Reply By: joc45 - Tuesday, Nov 22, 2005 at 17:19

Tuesday, Nov 22, 2005 at 17:19
Hi, Snowy,
I know how you feel. Last year, preparing for a trip around Oz, I decided to change plans and increase the monthly rental payment to decrease the call cost per minute on my mobile. After talking to a "foreign-accented" person, I was assured that I would keep my "extras"; the cheap 10-minute unit-calls to a designated number (you call a special number and it diverts to your nominated number). While away, I frequently called this number from my mobile, and on my return home, found that I had been charged at the full rate, with no cheap rate. The bill was horrendous. On enquiring to billing, I was told that this had been cancelled when I went to the higher plan. What pi$$ed me off was that I could still access this special number, but with no recorded announcement that it was no longer active. I could still make the call but at the full rate.
I asked to be put back to the original plan, but was told that it doesn't exist any more. I pointed out to the Telstra that I had obviously been deceived by the sales person. I was told that there was nothing they could do about the deception, but I could get a limited rebate if I signed up for a 12-month plan. I told them that they had destroyed any goodwill and they could stuff it. Now with a different company.
Should have taken it to the Telecom Ombudsman, but didn't.
Oh, and along the way, they cancelled my voicemail, and I had to get it reinstated half-way thru the trip. Have you tried to get around the voice-activated prompts to get to talk to a real person when all their options do not cover what you are trying to achieve? Especially when eventually the number you are told to call can't be accessed from a public phone box (I was in the Kimberly, out of range of mobiles). Took over 20 minutes of frustrating calls in that stinking hot phone box, trying every permutation to get thru to a real person.
Trick: to any prompt request, say "other", regardless of whether one of their prompts seems to fit the bill. That seems to help a lot and will save heaps of time.
Gerry
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Follow Up By: Member - Geoff M (Newcastle) - Tuesday, Nov 22, 2005 at 22:44

Tuesday, Nov 22, 2005 at 22:44
There's an easier way, at the voice prompt say, "just answer the bl..dy phone"
Snookers the voice recognition software every time.

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Follow Up By: joc45 - Wednesday, Nov 23, 2005 at 01:32

Wednesday, Nov 23, 2005 at 01:32
Yeh, I was eventually screaming profanities at this robot, but it kept saying "I'm sorry, I didn't quite get that, let's go through that again...."
AAAArrrrrggghhhhh!!!!
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Follow Up By: ellmcg - Wednesday, Nov 23, 2005 at 11:22

Wednesday, Nov 23, 2005 at 11:22
Did they say why they cancelled your voice-mail? Every time I change phone or plan they turn it back on & I have trouble getting rid of it again! I have trouble believing they'd willingly turn someones' off!
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Follow Up By: joc45 - Wednesday, Nov 23, 2005 at 13:13

Wednesday, Nov 23, 2005 at 13:13
It appears the cancellation happened shortly before my trip. They suggested I had done it, but since I had every reason to want to keep it running, this suggestion was rejected. They denied cutting it. Even after reinstating it from a public phone box, I had to wait till I got to Kununurra (in mobile range) to reactivate it. Couldn't be done via the public phone or by the assistant. Was a real pain, since many people had wanted to leave a message rather than a phone number. Was a remote station in the Kimberly that alerted me after they unsuccessfully tried to contact me.
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Reply By: stevesub - Tuesday, Nov 22, 2005 at 17:26

Tuesday, Nov 22, 2005 at 17:26
If you look long and hard at Telstra's competitors, you can save heaps. Takes time to sort out the best deals and means dealing with multiple companies.

We use Telstra for phone $18 per month and toll barred. GO Talk for tolls via a calling card, Exetel for ADSL $26 per month for 256/64k and 2G data (extra data $3 per 1 G), Vodafone on account for mobile. Telstra pre-pay for a CDMA phone (not used much, too expensive to use), Telstra for Foxtel and Skype for tolls when not using Go Talk and for calling the kids on their PC's (free).

We were 100% Telstra but have now halved our communications bills with this mish mash of providers - but it all works, is cheap and now all bills are paid automatically from a bank account or credit card - something Telstra could not do with their ADSL

See sites as follows to make things easier to sort out which is cheapest:

http://www.phonechoice.com.au/ for phone and mobile options

http://whirlpool.net.au/ for Broadband options

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Reply By: Sand Man (SA) - Tuesday, Nov 22, 2005 at 18:22

Tuesday, Nov 22, 2005 at 18:22
Something else I just thought of.

How many of you forumites that have a home phone with Telstra, still pay for a monthly handset rental?

Do you still use a "rented handset" or have you purchased your own phone.

If you own your telephone handset you shouldn't be paying rental on something your not using. Still have, but no longer use an old handset?
You can return it to Telstra and cancel the monthly handset rental and save something like $23 per month.

Do it!........I'm not a shareholder:-)
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Follow Up By: Browser - Wednesday, Nov 23, 2005 at 09:49

Wednesday, Nov 23, 2005 at 09:49
Hi Sand Man,

After reading your reply I thought I would check with Telstra about whether or not I was being charged rental fees. Turns out I'm not but I did find out that the $23 per month is line rental. If you are being charged rental for the handset it is only $2.99 per month.
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Follow Up By: Sand Man (SA) - Wednesday, Nov 23, 2005 at 10:02

Wednesday, Nov 23, 2005 at 10:02
Browser,

Yes, that is correct. Sorry folks for the misquote.

What did supprise me though was that when I cancelled the rental portion, Telstra made it retrospective for the previous 12 months (the furtherest they could backdate it, so I was credited with approx. $36.00.

Oh, and I talked to a lovely lady from the accounts section (in Queensland) so I guess there is still some good within Telstra.
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Reply By: Brew69(SA) - Tuesday, Nov 22, 2005 at 19:30

Tuesday, Nov 22, 2005 at 19:30
Ahhh telstra.........I wouldn't pi$$ on them if they were on fire. Never again.
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Reply By: Willem - Tuesday, Nov 22, 2005 at 19:43

Tuesday, Nov 22, 2005 at 19:43
I have been with Telecom/Telstra for 30 years or more and have never had a problem.

I make sure I own all my phones.

Still on a $10 mobile phone plan all these years later. It costs when using the phone but have had no probs.

I have my Satphone with Telstra as well and no problems there either.

I too get bombarded by Optus and the Indians but just say NO THANKS

In the end changing plans or companies does not save you anything and as mentioned above, may only bring you grief.........
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Follow Up By: Patrol22 - Wednesday, Nov 23, 2005 at 13:02

Wednesday, Nov 23, 2005 at 13:02
Hear hear Willem - I too have been with Telstra/Telecom for more than 30 year (might have even been the PMG when I first connected) without incident and always treated with courtesy. I probably could find something cheaper with a mish mash of providers but I simply couldn't be bothered trying to keep track of everything.

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Reply By: age - Tuesday, Nov 22, 2005 at 19:55

Tuesday, Nov 22, 2005 at 19:55
Hi all

After some recent hellish problems with Telstra one of their guys told me to always do the following when dealing with their call centres:

Always ask the operator for their employee id number to identify them for the transaction as well as the employee id of their supervisor - they are obliged to provide this to you when asked and will always get you back to the right call centre. All computer transactions and entries are logged by this user id. Always get the operator to read back what they have entered against your transaction on the computer against this id - makes them personally responsible and identifiable when all goes awry. You soon get far better service when they know you can id them rather than just having a first name to go by.

Has worked well with recent transactions for us.

Good luck

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Follow Up By: prado_95 - Sunday, Dec 04, 2005 at 18:17

Sunday, Dec 04, 2005 at 18:17
AND you expect they dont lie about thatlike they do their name!!!!. Ask for their call back number & see how helpful they are when they cam be identified - sorry there is no number to cal them on!

They have anonymity behind the phone, and the best you can hope for is an operator who actually tries to help (even if the system makes it difficult).

Pity it was a valued Australian service, now its privatised - goals on profit and absolutely nothing else.
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Reply By: Chriscd - Tuesday, Nov 22, 2005 at 20:18

Tuesday, Nov 22, 2005 at 20:18
Consider VoIP - through internet carrier - all calls major centre to major centre 10c per call untimed. Home to mobile cheap. VoIP phone to VoIP phone world wide is FOC.Access to broadband is needed and a VoIP ATA (Analogue Telephone Adaptor) OR Voip handset and/or Router Modem is required. Downside is for landline only. But still savings are tremendous

Still retain standard phone at basic rental charge through my internet carrier.

$tuff Telsterra and all they stand for - and the three Mousketeers (Sole Threeear and his mates) can pi$$ orf back to whatever rock they crawled out from under.

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Reply By: Member - Brian (Gold Coast) - Tuesday, Nov 22, 2005 at 20:29

Tuesday, Nov 22, 2005 at 20:29
I have been with a mobile company that uses Optus for 7 years, Simplus. My phone is my business, in summer the bills were up to $350-400/month..... last summer they contacted me and offered me a $99/month cap plan which includes $700 credit. No fuss, no catches, no BS!

Since then, I have paid over the cap on one occassion when I mistakenly dialled a "Special" number (My ISP on a 1300 number... was on the phone for two hours to them trying to figure out a glitch in my broadband hookup)... they don't include 1300 numbers and the like, which is fair enough I guess. Last bill was $570 for the month.... I paid only the $99.... couldn't be happier!

The "T" company on the other hand are kidding themselves!
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Reply By: Member - Marquis - Tuesday, Nov 22, 2005 at 20:35

Tuesday, Nov 22, 2005 at 20:35
I had a bloke ring me the other day trying to convert me back to telstra (landline).
Included was free cordless phone etc. It sounded a bit ??? and with caller ID being blocked, I basically burred up about giving any sort of information to him.

He said he was from telstra - however it turned out he did not work for telstra but for some telephone shop in Brisbane....

Always ask for a number to ring them back on and a telstra reference number before giving anyone any details about yourself (birthday, address, creditcard number, etc) if they are ringing you!!
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Reply By: Ray Bates - Tuesday, Nov 22, 2005 at 22:33

Tuesday, Nov 22, 2005 at 22:33
Where we live, we are unable to get broadband over the telephone lines because Telstra refuse to upgrade their lines. We ar negotiating to have a wireless system installed. When this is complete (the wireless system) I am strongly considering telling Telstra to jam their landline and for the few telephone calls that I make will be on my mobile. We have a gain pair here, which in my book is half a line but i still have to pay the full line rental. For the $30.00 pm line rental I can make quite a few calls on my mobile but I will have to install an outside antena.

Secondly my contract expires with Telstra for my mobile in March next year. Does anyone know what will happen if I choose not to renew it?
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Follow Up By: gramps - Tuesday, Nov 22, 2005 at 22:48

Tuesday, Nov 22, 2005 at 22:48
Ray,

Not sure about Telstra, but Optus just keep billing you as if the contract was still active.
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Follow Up By: Terryfirma - Tuesday, Nov 22, 2005 at 22:55

Tuesday, Nov 22, 2005 at 22:55
Ray,

When your contract expires and you don't renew it ,Telstra will send letter after letter pleading for you to renew . When you don't reply they start ringing and plead more to renew and upgrade to a higher plan.

How do I know ?? My plan ran out in Fenbruary 2004 and I haven't done a thing .After 19 months out of contract I still have a phone and still make and receive calls ,and Telstra still keep sending accounts.

When they ring I say "It (the mobile phone) ain't broke yet so I'm not replacing it." They soon leave me alone.

Terry
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Follow Up By: gramps - Tuesday, Nov 22, 2005 at 23:05

Tuesday, Nov 22, 2005 at 23:05
Terry/Ray,

Had the same thing with Optus. Eventually the phone did break and was told minimum $90 repair if they could'nt fix it at one of their shopfronts. Stuff it, I bought an El Cheapo phone and went on to prepaid. Works for me.
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Follow Up By: Member - MrBitchi (QLD) - Wednesday, Nov 23, 2005 at 09:51

Wednesday, Nov 23, 2005 at 09:51
If the phone does break there's nothing to stop you buying another handset from whoever, with no contract (handset only), and putting your existing sim card in that. Can get basic handsets for under $100. This way, if you have one of the cheap rates that "no longer exist" you can keep using it for as long as you pay the bill. They won't cancel a contract just to try and force you to upgrade cos they know you'll probably churn to another carrier.

Cheers..........
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Follow Up By: ellmcg - Wednesday, Nov 23, 2005 at 11:30

Wednesday, Nov 23, 2005 at 11:30
If you don't renew your contract then you tend to keep the special offers you'd had with it - but you lose them if you go onto a new contract...

(the new offers don't look as good as the old ones to me)
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Reply By: ellmcg - Wednesday, Nov 23, 2005 at 11:32

Wednesday, Nov 23, 2005 at 11:32
While we're on this topic, does anyone know if you can get pre-paid CDMA with anyone else but Telstra? Last time I looked you couldn't but things change.
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Follow Up By: Willb - Friday, Nov 25, 2005 at 19:00

Friday, Nov 25, 2005 at 19:00
Hi ellmcg, my daughter has a orange prepaid. but this is not available all areas.
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Reply By: vindictive - Thursday, Nov 24, 2005 at 15:16

Thursday, Nov 24, 2005 at 15:16
one of the posts was about a cdma
but as you may have heard cdma is on the wayout gonna be replaced by 3g (third generation) so the question might be what else are they gonna chop ? :)

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