105 Cruiser - slight over heating when towing CT (HELP)

Submitted: Friday, Dec 09, 2005 at 15:17
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Hi All,

Hopefully some of you could offer some advice.

I recently did a trip to the Flinders Ranges with a new Kimberley Kamper in tow. It was only on the return that the temperature gauge started to rise. It never got to the red - still a little way off that. Nothing like this happened during the trip away and we did some hard klms. Mind you this day was the hottest we had.

I was doing maybe 100 - 110klms up-hill with the CT in tow (weighing in at around 1.2 big ones), had the air-con on and it was around 37-40 degrees outside (hot). I noticed it almost straight away so turned the air con off and slowed down a bit and it dropped to the normal operating temp. I did notice that the aircon would squeel a little bit to begin with when turned on ..?

The Cruiser is a 105 series diesel with aftermarket DTS turbo on it.

Is there anything I should be mindful off - or get checked to try and find out what caused the problem ???

THANKS
Jake
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Reply By: Peter 2 - Friday, Dec 09, 2005 at 16:12

Friday, Dec 09, 2005 at 16:12
I take it is a 1HZ, could be the fan clutch needs more silicone fluid.
But I would expect that it would run hot pushing it in those ambient temps.
It would be really interesting to know the EGT's under those conditions too.
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Follow Up By: Smitty - Friday, Dec 09, 2005 at 16:15

Friday, Dec 09, 2005 at 16:15
correct - its a 1HZ. Thanks Peter
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Follow Up By: Peter 2 - Friday, Dec 09, 2005 at 16:30

Friday, Dec 09, 2005 at 16:30
If it only heats up under the aforementioned conditions under big load and heavy right foot I wouldn't worry but if it starts to happen more often I'd be concerned.
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Reply By: cokeaddict - Friday, Dec 09, 2005 at 16:22

Friday, Dec 09, 2005 at 16:22
JAke,
Its hard to reply with what u gave us..
How many K's does it have ?
have u owned it from new?
Have you been through mud on your trip enought to dry itself in your radiator..etc etc.
But having 1.2 in tow will always add stress to a vehicle on hot days.

Personally I would be checking everything to do with cooling system.

So many causes for this mate, depending on K's its done. Possible causes could be...
Radiator needs a professional clean out,
Engine may need same,
Water pump,
fan,
Hoses could be soft,
Your air condenser may be full of bugs thus restricting air flow to ur radiator,
OR ur radiator may be full of bugs.

To clean it out properly, it needs to be removed from vehicle.

As for the air con squeeling on start up..thats telling you it needs to be
re-tensioned or replaced

Dont forget mate, these things can run over 3/4 on gauge, I know it looks frightening but they can run there. You just have to make sure it dont climb its way into the red.
My GQ used to run hot as hell under load..really bleep me off so i did some tests and some mods to it (mostly simple time consuming stuff and now she runs great.)

Hope i have helped u with some ideas mate
Ange
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Follow Up By: Smitty - Friday, Dec 09, 2005 at 16:28

Friday, Dec 09, 2005 at 16:28
G'day Ange,

Thanks for your thoughts - a great help. The forby has done 85,000 klms and I bought it second hand at around 65K Klms.

When it was rising I would say it may have even been a touch under 3/4 so what you're saying helps put my mind at rest a little.

Has seen no mud but BUGS in everything could be something.

Thanks again for your thoughts!
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Reply By: brd - Friday, Dec 09, 2005 at 16:44

Friday, Dec 09, 2005 at 16:44
Jake
Was the cruiser due, or over due, for an oil change at that stage? If so, it could be due to oil thickening and sludging. It's not always easy to replicate the same situation, and it may not over heat under more normal conditions.

If you find nothing wrong with the cooling system, check the oil. If it stains your fingers (from the dipstick), and doesn't wipe off clean, some sludging will be present, as there's no detergent left in the oil. It is a pretty common cause of overheating in small diesels.

Best of luck!
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Reply By: Of Mice & Men - Friday, Dec 09, 2005 at 18:09

Friday, Dec 09, 2005 at 18:09
Hi Jake,
When my 80 series was over-heating while towing heavy camper up hills, I got some excellent advice on this forum. The first thing I would check would be the bugs/mud in radiator, & if all that looks good go straight to the fan clutch. An easy way to chech it (as it was explained to me on this forum), is to put the vehicle under load i.e strap on the camper & go & find some hills on a warm day, & when the needle kreeps up higher then it should be, hop out & have a look under the hood with the wife at the controls. Whilst watching the fan get the missus to shut the car down, the fan should stop when the engine does. If it overspins then it is the cause of your problems & it needs some fluid. Easy job to fix.

Good Luck, OM&M.
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Reply By: Banjo 1 - Friday, Dec 09, 2005 at 18:22

Friday, Dec 09, 2005 at 18:22
110kph up hill at 40 degrees, air cond on and towing a substantial trailer, with all of your camping gear....... you may not have a problem Smitty.......that's working hard and thats very hot.......if this never happens in cooler weather its more than likely a completely normal situation. The usual checks as mentioned above would be my move, plus casual monitoring in the future.
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Reply By: 120scruiser - Friday, Dec 09, 2005 at 20:09

Friday, Dec 09, 2005 at 20:09
A 1hz diesel with 1.2 ton on shouldn't over heat in 50 degree temps.
I would take a serious look at your exhaust gas temperatures.
If these engines aren't set correctly it will destroy itself even without the extra load of towing. I would get it checked ASAP or better still install a EGT guage. They are money well spent.
No hotter than 500 degrees if it is installed directly after the turbo.
Trust me I install turbos and set them up with these guages. It doesn't take much to have these over heat.

Cheers
120scruiser
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Follow Up By: Member - Trevor R (QLD) - Saturday, Dec 10, 2005 at 12:16

Saturday, Dec 10, 2005 at 12:16
Ditto to what cruiser said here. My old non turbo 100series never moved on the temp gauge even with 3-3 1/2 tonne on the back. the one time it did was 48c towing the van (2 1/2T) up the moonbi's near Tamworth, and this was only because the fan clutch needed more silicone. When this was fixed so was the temp, retryed the moonbi's the next day (still 46c) and no probs.

Regards Trevor.
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Follow Up By: 120scruiser - Saturday, Dec 10, 2005 at 21:55

Saturday, Dec 10, 2005 at 21:55
Try this link
FAN CLUTCH REBUILD
I think the part number has changed but your toyota dealer should be able to get if for you. About 18 bucks a tube now.
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Reply By: Member - DOZER- Friday, Dec 09, 2005 at 20:43

Friday, Dec 09, 2005 at 20:43
Toyota sell the fan fluid.....i would start there....to prove it on a mates 1hz cruiserwith exactly thesame scenario, we fitted an electric fan in front....the temp went straight down when it was switched on...so new fluid went in and no more problems were had....and the fan got connected to the air conditioning system, because that was colder with fan on too.
Andrew
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Reply By: David from Engine Saver Low Water Alarms - Friday, Dec 09, 2005 at 20:59

Friday, Dec 09, 2005 at 20:59
Hi Jake,

It sounds like you have had plenty of good advice from the forum members.
It is all relevant to your question,
However, I coundn't help but notice that no-one told you to check \ replace your thermostat.

A Faulty thermostat may not fully open, or may be stuck partially open.
Not a problem most days, but on a really hot day may cause a slight overheat condition.

Best Regards
David
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Reply By: Trekkie - Friday, Dec 09, 2005 at 22:57

Friday, Dec 09, 2005 at 22:57
I have the same as you - 105 TD & Kimberley in some very hot places and NEVER had a heating problem - A friend with 80 series had overheating problems - removed his spot lights and has not had a problem since.
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Reply By: fatz - Saturday, Dec 10, 2005 at 09:32

Saturday, Dec 10, 2005 at 09:32
Hi Smitty,
Had exactley the same issues with exactley the same set up. 1HZ with a DTS. Cruising accross the hay plain on a 42 degree day with the camper trailer. Get the clutch fan checked for a start (not cheap to replace). I would also suggest a dyno tune from a good diesel shop and checking of exhaust gas temps. That fixed mine. The DTS is a water cooled turbo so it cranks up the temp a bit.

Mick
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Reply By: samsgoneagain - Saturday, Dec 10, 2005 at 22:10

Saturday, Dec 10, 2005 at 22:10
try cleaning the bugs out of the aircon condenser
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Reply By: Smitty - Monday, Dec 12, 2005 at 07:49

Monday, Dec 12, 2005 at 07:49
THANKS to all for your replies!! Will have a close look at everthing mentioned and will have it professionally checked next service!
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