Just Curious

I suppose 1 good thing about it is this....when the cops ask u what speed were u doing at the time..u can honestly say between 80 - 85 kms

110kph in NSW where posted.

G'day

Agree. Did some research see Towing Guide

Except for WA were towing speed is 100kph. Tow at the posted speed limit providing the GTM is less than 4.5t

Regards

Paul

Mike, what you may call "totally stuff up traffic" might be simple enconomics to somebody like me, towing a 2.5 ton boat and sticking to a max speed of 90 kmh.
My troopie has the grunt to tow easily at 100kmh but you would have to fork out the extra fuel it guzzles then before I would listen to your comment.
There's more than one side to this and you'd do well to consider all angles of towing before shooting off with misguided comments.

In case you overlooked it, the original post WAS about towing.
Klaus

I think you totally misunderstood what I was trying to say.

Mike Harding

I dont mind people going reel slow - they are easy to pass and dont take long but you try passing a 4 trailor ore train at 100kpg in a 79 series ute.............. I tried the other day and after 1km I was not even 1/2 past it I ended up having to pull up on the dirt on the right cos a truck ended up coming the other way and i needed at least another 1km to get past. I dont consider myself impatient but it is not hard to misjudge when driving the slowest production vehicle available

Andrew, when is the last time you have used the freeway at peak hours? please do so and find out for youirself that what you wrote is impossible to do safely then.
I do agree that when the traffic allows so a minimum speed makes sense.
Klaus

Go the Kwinana Snail Way.

What are you talking about V8..

I don't make the laws mate...just answering the question asked.

2 things .... firstly. thats is not what the posted speed limit is for, secondly you don't have to fly past doing 170kph to get past.

Don’t I, well that’s what I was doing or should I say have done on more than one occasion and got back on my side of the road just before a truck or car/ car’s came around the bend ahead.

So in you view if it reads 110 you can do 80 or 70 just because that is the speed you feel like travelling at, well Ok that’s you opinion on the matter, I think you may have a run in with some cop’s who may see it differently but.

If you have a large van or boat in tow I don’t have a problem but 70-80 when the towing limit is 90 or 100 in a 110 zone and not allowing traffic build up to pass is just rude and dangerous for other road uses.

Exploder, you are a total disgrace & have absolutely no understanding of the road rules ..... the limits are precisely that ... the absolute maximum allowable speed that you can drive at, whether you are overtaking or not!! There is no compulsion to drive at or near these limits.
Your type of driving is the reason that 4WDs have an image problem!

Exploder,

I've seen what it looks like when a d!ck like you leaves the road at 170kmh and hits at tree. The last one looked all charred and the CFA crews could still hear him screaming as they tried to put the car out.

The guy on the motorcycle, who hit the speeding idiot overtaking toward him who thought the trail bike's single light was a car in the distance, probably didn't have time to even think Shi.... before the impact with the bonnet tore his leg off at the thigh. He was probably dead when he hit the road 50 + metres later - he certainly was when I got there 7 minutes later.

I hate idiots like you. Strong words maybe. But I clean up your mess and try and patch you and the people you maim up.

The only likely result from that sort of behaviour is death and long term pain and suffering. Yours hopefully & not someone elses.

Dave

Exploder,

"You get a build up of cars and maybe 1 or 2 trucks witch makes getting past dam dangerous as not everybody is game to have a go"

It's not there for an adrenaline rush!!!

"character building yes safe not very"

If it's it not safe then don't F@#$%N do it!!!!

You've probably never been involved in a head-on and I can tell you that you don't want to be.

"Exploder, you are a total disgrace & have absolutely no understanding of the road rules"> Am I well then, that must tell you how f**ed the licensing system is considering I hold a C& HR-C licenses.

"Your type of driving is the reason that 4WDs have an image problem!"> No I don’t think so, I am the guy you see letting the other drivers in, allow them to merge on a busy road, letting other drives know when it is clear to overtake and am generally fairly polite when behind the wheel.

"I hate idiots like you. Strong words maybe. But I clean up your mess and try and patch you and the people you maim up." Yeah a little, I have never had a speeding fine, never had a accident or come close to having one, never done any damage to any of the car’s I have owned. I consider that a rarity for someone who is 21 and has raked up around 110,000k’s. I am not the problem, people who think they are good and like to push the envelope are. I know I am not the best or even close to it.

I think maybe you have concentrated on the 2 or 3 times I have taken a bigger risk when overtaking, not without a lot of pre thought setting a PNR point in the traffic and looking at the road and conditions, waiting for a clear stretch and knowing in my hart that I could get past.

I have witnessed a lot of close misses on country roads, I.e coming back from my last trip I watched as a land cruiser overtake 2 trucks out of Merredin he was so close to having a head on it was scary.

I will drive to road conditions sure sometimes I will cruse on 120-130 on some country road if the road conditions suite, “yeah that’s speeding”, well I am also more alert to road conditions and concentrate a lot more and I also know I can handle the car at that speed. I also don’t speed around the metro aria and never have and never will DD.

“The only likely result from that sort of behaviour is death and long term pain and suffering. Yours hopefully & not someone elses.” Thanks ill keep that in mind, oh and I have spoken to and know people who have been in crashes and one head on/ side on and they were being tools and not thinking or concentrating on conditions on all occasions. I know a girl who has written off 2 cars but say’s she is still a good driver, well I don’t know about that, I mean you have me the worlds biggest Tool and idiotic driver hear that’s had no run-in’s.

"If it's it not safe then don't F@#$%N do it!!!!" Yes well when you have been sitting near the back of the line and looked on as numerous opportunities for the Car’s in front of you to overtake and they have not, you tend to get a little Testy and the 1 or 2 slow car’s be it a car/4WD towing a large van or truck don’t pull over to allow traffic to pass and nether do the car’s that don’t wish to overtake ether, Rare but does happen, and the 2 or so car’s behind you begin to grow impatent as well it gets a little annoying.

I know you will not change you opinion of me and I am not going to get my nickers in a not because of it, so on the rare occasion I took a risk to get parts some inconsiderate drivers, and I may drive above the speed limit in some situations well so do other people on this forum and Australia going to have ago at them as-well?. There are far worse Drivers out there. But to go all out and badmouth me from a brief comment not even knowing me apart from my identity on this forum I think is a little harsh.

From further down.
Checking with the police in several states. They all basically said.

”If you travel at a speed 20km's or lower. Than the PREVAILING TRAFFIC FLOW...
They can. And WILL have you for dangerous driving. I.E. Obstructing the flow of traffic...”

Ok I am done, if you wish to hold my few brief comment’s agents me that’s fine, I will continue to contribute to this forum, and I hope we can take it on comment by comment basis and not just think oh that Exploder death and long term pain and suffering. His hopefully.

Should have guessed really. 21 years old. An invincible expert. Depending on the state he could even still be on P for Perfect plates.

Exploder,

Your luck in having not screwed up YET only makes you more cocky. The tone of your email is case in point.

Admission of nearly double the speed limit but still happy to say "I am not the problem".

The kid who burned to death thought he was pretty good too, he raced go carts so must have been an expert. He proved that 180kmh on a road 4 lanes wide and no traffic still leaves no margin for error.

Your day will come.... sooner rather than later if you keep going the way you say you are going. That's almost a certainty.

By the way, when you are dying in the wreck the ambos coming to get you won't even be doing 170. Where I work they probably won't even be doing 150. We can, but we don't as we know the result, and if we stack who's coming to get us? Or you for that matter.

Where we are trained to drive in this fashion, you haven't got a clue. We don't get it right all the time either. Two Paramedics were killed in Victoria recently and speed was a factor in the accident. Out on the wrong side approaching a corner and couldn't get back in and get around the corner they ended up in the trees.

What are the risks?
What is the increase in your braking distance?
Do you even know the relationship between speed and braking distance, or what the braking distance of your vehicle is on dry bitumen to start with (without using Google)?
What do you need to consider as possibilities 2km down the road?

I'm willing to bet you are just like every 21 year old student paramedic I have trained when it comes to those issues. Over confident, ignorant & dangerous.

It's not just a criticism of you as a person but also of your age group, and the problems associated with giving 21 year olds lethal weapons in the form of motor vehicles. I wouldn't expect you to be any less stupid than all the other 21 year olds.

I hope you get to see 25, and that it isn't in a wheel chair or jail.

I spent an hour making a statement with a colleague today that will inevitably result in someone just like you riding a treadly for at best 12 months but hopefully 2 years )& a huge fine) due to stupidity of the kind you are advocating. If you are lucky you'll get a similar expensive lesson (that doesn't involve anyone else) rather than a painfull one.

It's a hard lesson to learn, but even if just one of the next times you get the opportunity to do what you have described, you think about the kid burning to death in the front seat of his new commodore and choose not to put the foot down it might save your life and that of someone you haven't either seen or judged the reaction of.

Better to arrive late than dead on time...

Dave

I hate it when people like you categorise all young drivers as idiots, you don’t know me, and are wrong about my attitude, driving and me.

I will still be hear on my 25th birthday, walking, talking and driving> Now that's cocky!!!.

Just remember you comments when your kid get in their car OK.

Oh and for the record I got of P’s in 2003.

I'm still here and I'm past 50 - and probably have a bit more experience than Geocacher too.

Time you looked for another job Dave rather than lectured everybody else on the error of their ways.

Mike Harding

You may mate. Time will tell. I hope for your mum's sake you're right.

There are a small minority of 21 year olds that are safe drivers. The majority are prone to lapses of reason that see them doing just what you admitted doing. Then they end up in strife.

I have rarely pulled a P plater out of a wreck yet who wasn't there through any other means than their own mistakes. I've transported a lot of other patients who's accidents were caused by a young driver.

If you don't like being categorised as a dick, don't drive like one. I didn't start this. You did when you admitted to overtaking at 170kmh, and then tried to justify your actions to a forum full of older & wiser forumites.

Your original post and your responses indicate that I am right about your attitude, your driving and you.

Have a think about it.

If you are brave enough and seriously think you can justify what you did go and have a chat to your local constable and tell him what you did and when you did it. If you are right the magistrate will agree and let you off scott free.

I'll bet you don't have the balls, I'll bet you can't justify it and will come up with some good reason why you can't.

Alternatively go and tell mum & dad how you drive...

I'm sure they'll be thrilled.

Dave

Sorry Mike.

Only one I had a crack at as I saw it was Exploder. You've made your views on the law as it applies to Mike Harding quite clear in the past, and given that teaching an old dog new tricks has been proven difficult I won't even try.

If young Exploder even stops to think about it next time maybe it was worthwhile.

It's a pretty real part of my life. It gets frustrating as hell seeing young lives cut short, or others for that matter.

I'll get off my bike now. I still hope he slows down.

Dave

Mad dog
At first I thought the original post was someone stirring the pot (maybe they are ??) surely people realise that the signed speed limit is MAX speed but after reading some of the other posts, I really do hope that they are having a bit of a laugh here ???
If not your words of wisdom are a breath of fresh air in this world of today where a lot of people subscibe to the "Jack" system F**K you jack get out of my way.
Every trip should be about the "journey" not how fast I got there !!!
Keep Smil'n - because we are really not here for all that long !!
Cheers
Barry

Barry, not stirring the pot at all. this is a real question as i saw this on the back of a van today, an old Viscount with ma and pa kettle in a old commodore.
The " Jack " system as you put it, was how the sign came across to me, and a fair few other people that let go with the sign language as they went past.( I was in the truck, so was stuck behind them for a fair distance). The law may allow you to travel at a safe speed up to the limit, but where does it say that you can do it all the time, and tell everybody else to get knotted?
Thats basically the question i am asking.

rick.

so do you mean all escort pilot should be SHOT

Slow moving wide load???

Australia is bigger than Victoria

Here ya go Truckie

What if the prevailing traffic flow is 10k over the limit as it always seems to be on the Gold Coast Highway? The speed limit may be 110k, everyone's doing 120-125k so you would have to tow at 100k minimum?

Sorry Macka, but that gets right up my nose. In many parts of this great country of ours, there are no "SIDE ROADS". i.e. outback QLD, NSW, NT,SA, and WA. I chose to travel at 80-90 Kph as it is, 1. easier on the driver and vehicle, and, 2. more fuel efficient at that speed, and 3. IT"S NOT AGAINST THE LAW" !!!!!
I let vehicle pass when I see them, and have had copliments come back to me on the UHF from the truckies, after seeing them coming, talking to them, and arranging for a good passing point.
I don't see why I, as a taxpayer through PAYE and FUEL EXISE, cannot use the roads I have paid for, because you are in such a blithering hurry!

Nick

Hi Nickoff.
That's fine.. When there's plenty of open clear roads about.
But if you chuff along at your 80/90 klicks, in an area where there's miles of single lane, and hills, with no chance of overtaking. .. You are not so popular with them
Specially near any hills. You need the wind up at bottom of hill, to get up reasonably..
I know. I was one of them for quite a few years. Semi's, Roadtrains and Heavy Haulage (up to 400ton).
This can go forever.
You're right in your mind. I'm right in mine. Neither will win.
Just check with the highways boys ....
and don't crawl along in front of me in the open OK....

Regards
MAcka17