Radar traps revisted and another black spot

Submitted: Monday, Feb 20, 2006 at 16:21
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Fellow Formites,

There have been a number of recent posts regarding speeding, radars, etc. Generally, it would seem that a large number of contributors to the post felt it had all to do with speeding , saving lives, pay the fine etc. Interestingly the local rag in Brisbane quotes some European study that suggest that poor road planning was contributing to more than 50% of fatalities with poorly placed power poles cited as one of the worst offender. Rather interesting I thought as any fatality warrants the label as a black spot for a piece of road and is then targetted for radar use but the offending pole stays – a rather hypocritical response. I'm sure there are plenty of offending poles that reoffend time and time again but nothing seems to happen other than some more bracing or a newer stronger pole.

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Reply By: Member - Blue (VIC) - Monday, Feb 20, 2006 at 16:26

Monday, Feb 20, 2006 at 16:26
I've read some of those studies, very interesting stuff... Unfortunately they are of little interest to those with revenue as their main agenda...
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Follow Up By: Member - Beatit (QLD) - Monday, Feb 20, 2006 at 16:31

Monday, Feb 20, 2006 at 16:31
I agree with you Blue but I wonder of those with the moral community conscience that seem to think it is done for other reasons - mainly to make roads safer for the masses. Wouldn't mind so much if the $ were actually applied to making things safer.

These studies just make a farce of the whole radar story in my mind.

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Reply By: Gramps (NSW) - Monday, Feb 20, 2006 at 16:27

Monday, Feb 20, 2006 at 16:27
Agree Beatit. Those bloody poles should cop a stiff gaol sentence, bugger these endless warnings ..... LOLOL
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Follow Up By: Member - Beatit (QLD) - Monday, Feb 20, 2006 at 16:32

Monday, Feb 20, 2006 at 16:32
Maybe we can get an indonesian judge to head a pole court - that would fix them good a proper.

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Follow Up By: Goughy - Monday, Feb 20, 2006 at 17:21

Monday, Feb 20, 2006 at 17:21
Thats it Beatit, tape some dope to them....
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Follow Up By: Gramps (NSW) - Monday, Feb 20, 2006 at 17:32

Monday, Feb 20, 2006 at 17:32
hahahaha you two are bloody twisted :))))
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Follow Up By: Gerhardp1 - Monday, Feb 20, 2006 at 21:38

Monday, Feb 20, 2006 at 21:38
When you say tape some dope to them, you do mean the Victorian Transport minister??
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Follow Up By: Goughy - Tuesday, Feb 21, 2006 at 07:33

Tuesday, Feb 21, 2006 at 07:33
.....or Amanda Vanstone, she thinks she's a "Heroine" ha ha
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Reply By: apwaddo - Monday, Feb 20, 2006 at 16:27

Monday, Feb 20, 2006 at 16:27
I wonder if a tree is classed as a pole? Then they could resolve the problem like they have done around here by erecting signs that say "Danger - Poles close to road'!
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Follow Up By: Member - Beatit (QLD) - Monday, Feb 20, 2006 at 16:33

Monday, Feb 20, 2006 at 16:33
But wouldn't that be like me saying I'm about to speed to make it OK? Remove the buggers I say.
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Reply By: Trevor R (QLD) - Monday, Feb 20, 2006 at 16:46

Monday, Feb 20, 2006 at 16:46
Beatit,

Not totally disagreeing but the question that needs to be answered before you blame the pole is WHY WAS THE CAR OFF THE BLACKTOP in the first instance?
I have never seen an erect pole in the middle of the road, so for someone to hit it they need to be off the road. So why were they off the road.......more than likely speed or fatigue (I know this is a generalization).
I am the first to agree that I have coffed up my fair share towards policemans balls at their end of year breakups (currently on 3 points), so I don't believe I am biased toward the slow down campaign, rather I think of myself more a realist than anything.
Having said that some poles should be moved so that those who do go off the road (by true accident) don't slam into them.

Cheers Trevor.
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Follow Up By: Member - Beatit (QLD) - Monday, Feb 20, 2006 at 16:51

Monday, Feb 20, 2006 at 16:51
G'day Trevor,

Accidents happen for a variety of reasons. It seems to me that to say they are always the result of speed is misleading (I know your not saying that) but that is what the authorities are trying to imply. I hope that if I'm forced off the road there is nothing there to slow my progress.

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Follow Up By: The Explorer - Monday, Feb 20, 2006 at 18:37

Monday, Feb 20, 2006 at 18:37
Hello
Most recent spate of advertisements in WA actually try to illustrate that the main effect of speed is 1. Extra distance required to stop 2. Increase risk of serious injury to people when you hit something as a result of the extra speed you couldn’t brush off before accident. There is no suggestion that speed causes accidents, just that consequences are more severe when you have one.
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Follow Up By: Ray Bates - Monday, Feb 20, 2006 at 20:23

Monday, Feb 20, 2006 at 20:23
I used to live in Kalgoorlie. The power poles were up the centre of Hannan Street
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Follow Up By: Trevor R (QLD) - Monday, Feb 20, 2006 at 21:24

Monday, Feb 20, 2006 at 21:24
Ray,
As soon as I posted, I knew there would be some place that someone has been where there is poles on the blacktop.
Proven wrong again.....Ray 1.....Trev 0.

Regards Trevor.
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Reply By: Mike Harding - Monday, Feb 20, 2006 at 18:46

Monday, Feb 20, 2006 at 18:46
No that's enough, stop right here - end this thread now.

You are not permitted to bring any kind of sensible and clear thinking to the debate.

"SPEED KILLS" and that's an end to the matter.

Things such as driver training and safe road layouts will have no effect on the issue at all. Is there something wrong with you man? Don't you believe what your government tells you!?

What's that? "Other countries do it differently" - Rubbish! And we don't want that kind of subversive talk here - be gone with you.

"Speed Kills".

Mike Harding (with apologies to Monty Python)
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Follow Up By: Slow Mower - Monday, Feb 20, 2006 at 19:17

Monday, Feb 20, 2006 at 19:17
Here here. WELL said Mike. I totally agree. If you don't speed, then speed cameras should not be a problem. Think of all the revenue being contributed by all those who chose to ignore the warnings. I LOVE it. Helps to keep MY taxes down.
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Follow Up By: Mike Harding - Monday, Feb 20, 2006 at 20:01

Monday, Feb 20, 2006 at 20:01
My boy... (best Jewish voice (is it politically OK to mimic Jews?)) first you must define what "don't speed" means?

Mike Harding
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Follow Up By: Gramps (NSW) - Monday, Feb 20, 2006 at 20:22

Monday, Feb 20, 2006 at 20:22
Phew! Glad you cleared that one up Mike. Good to see you're back with the program. " ..... Kills" (insert whatever you're happy with) LOL
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Follow Up By: Ray Bates - Monday, Feb 20, 2006 at 20:27

Monday, Feb 20, 2006 at 20:27
I thought that it was the sudden stop that killed you
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Follow Up By: Gerhardp1 - Monday, Feb 20, 2006 at 21:43

Monday, Feb 20, 2006 at 21:43
Slow Mower you are delusional if you think that by you being a goody 2 shoes and not paying fines you keep your taxes down. Pure rubbish - noting keeps taxes down. You can't really believe that if everyone paid twice the fines this year as last year your taxes would go down?

Did you mean Slow Mover?
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Reply By: Exploder - Monday, Feb 20, 2006 at 19:32

Monday, Feb 20, 2006 at 19:32
I’m not saying chit LOL..
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Reply By: roofscooter2 - Monday, Feb 20, 2006 at 21:06

Monday, Feb 20, 2006 at 21:06
no the sudden stop does not always kill, luckily (or unlucky) i'm still here after hitting power poll at speed.i was only occupant. Trevor i didn't know you were into policemans Ball's lol.regards bob.
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