The canning is in trouble
Submitted: Thursday, Apr 20, 2006 at 21:15
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Collected the mail today for the local 4WD Club and amongst it is a letter from the NGAANYATJARRA COUNCIL NATIVE TITLE UNIT. Sorry if it's been posted before but I haven't seen anything previously.
The letter is fairly extensive, too long to retype here and I don't have a scanner but the consequences look pretty severe.
Basically, they have Native Title over the length of the track and they are up in arms with Tour Operators and individually camping without permission on their lands particularly off the Canning. Of concern is the area between
Well 1 and
well 40. Public access is only along the Canning itself. The restricted areas include the Calvert Ranges, Durba Springs and the Percival
Lake area. Fines of $20,000 are applicable so you need to get permission to enter these areas.
Further information can be obtained from Lisa Maher, Native Title Project Officer, Ngaanyatjarra Council Native Title Unit on (08)9425 2000.
No mention is made of charges to get permits or permission but!!!!
Reply By: Wayne (NSW) - Thursday, Apr 20, 2006 at 21:37
Thursday, Apr 20, 2006 at 21:37
Des,
Have a look at post # 32841.
Wayne
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Reply By: Footloose - Thursday, Apr 20, 2006 at 21:41
Thursday, Apr 20, 2006 at 21:41
I think that things will settle down, especially if they can levy some sort of fee. I've found that much of the reluctance of indiginous groups to allow something is usually because of rogue travellers who haven't done the right thing.
If a group of kids crossed my property and left rubbish,
toilet paper etc or defaced anything then I'd get pretty upset too.
Having said that, it is going to be a giant headache for any who wish to travel that way unfortunately.
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Follow Up By: Shaker - Thursday, Apr 20, 2006 at 22:38
Thursday, Apr 20, 2006 at 22:38
I think your first sentence says it all!
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Follow Up By: Footloose - Thursday, Apr 20, 2006 at 22:44
Thursday, Apr 20, 2006 at 22:44
Shaker, think of it from the Govts point of view. If the traditional owners have an income from tourism then you don't need to support them financially quite as much.
Now that might seem attractive for the taxpayer, but no it won't reduce taxes...or index the threshold..or...or ...or
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Thursday, Apr 20, 2006 at 22:56
Thursday, Apr 20, 2006 at 22:56
of course they will all be happy if they get a LEVY! Why else would they be sooking? it aint because their great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great cousins neighbour farted there a billion years ago, its all about money..
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Follow Up By: Muzzgit (WA) - Thursday, Apr 20, 2006 at 23:16
Thursday, Apr 20, 2006 at 23:16
Truckster, that's the best laugh I've had on ExploreOz in a while....
well said.
64 times, what a typist you are. or is that toopist?
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Follow Up By: Joe King - Friday, Apr 21, 2006 at 07:41
Friday, Apr 21, 2006 at 07:41
I recon the "Traditional owners" should get their bloody income the way that every self respecting Aussie has to....
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Follow Up By: Footloose - Friday, Apr 21, 2006 at 08:37
Friday, Apr 21, 2006 at 08:37
Joe, unfortunately many aren't in a position to do so. The Govt rounded them up and stuck them in communities, sometimes a long way away from their traditional lands.
It's a complex problem that can't be solved easily. Many programs designed to help these people have done just the opposite. Sadly, some have simply given birth to the hip pocket cargo cult mentality. Others have seen the rise of a different "nation" mentality.
I'm afraid that until every permanent resident of this country sees themselves as Australian, and is trated by others as such, we will always have problems.
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Follow Up By: Joe King - Friday, Apr 21, 2006 at 09:23
Friday, Apr 21, 2006 at 09:23
point taken..
"hip pocket cargo cult mentality"...
well put..
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Follow Up By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Friday, Apr 21, 2006 at 10:55
Friday, Apr 21, 2006 at 10:55
No mention of money here.
I've been granted permits from Ngaanyatjarra Council in the past, no fee required - unlike National Parks. DIA in WA is the same - permits are free.
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Follow Up By: Crackles - Friday, Apr 21, 2006 at 17:31
Friday, Apr 21, 2006 at 17:31
You're right there Phil. The majority of aboriginal permits I have got over the years have cost me absolutely nothing. The key reason the permits are used are to set out the boundries you can travel & the rules that need to be abided. For example on the Old Gunbarrel they specified a minimum of 3 cars for safety. If there weren't so many idiots out there driving where they shouldn't cos they think they have a right to then maybe there would be far less permits required.
Cheers Craig.........
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Saturday, Apr 22, 2006 at 00:07
Saturday, Apr 22, 2006 at 00:07
>> ... unfortunately many aren't in a position to do so
What a load of crap. They can move to find work, they can sweep floors and bleep houses to get money.
>>> The Govt rounded them up and stuck them in communities,
here we go, tissues at 40 paces.
>> sometimes a long way away from their traditional lands.
So that stops them from getting work like joes quote of" every self respecting Aussie has to"
Although i do agree with most having " the hip pocket cargo cult mentality"
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Reply By: The Rambler( W.A.) - Thursday, Apr 20, 2006 at 21:41
Thursday, Apr 20, 2006 at 21:41
It's about time we have "native title" to the cities and charge fees for permits to enter--what a lot of ##IT-- thats why I go anywhere I like permit or not.
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Thursday, Apr 20, 2006 at 23:18
Thursday, Apr 20, 2006 at 23:18
Hey I like it!
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Reply By: Sand Man (SA) - Thursday, Apr 20, 2006 at 22:38
Thursday, Apr 20, 2006 at 22:38
Native Title!
I'm a bloody Native of Australia, so they can stop buggering about with MY land!
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Thursday, Apr 20, 2006 at 23:11
Thursday, Apr 20, 2006 at 23:11
you wish.. and we all do
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Reply By: V8Diesel - Thursday, Apr 20, 2006 at 23:02
Thursday, Apr 20, 2006 at 23:02
Simple solution, run a set of false number plates from
the tip. What's the worst they can they do? Send a fine to a bloke named Mike Hunt who lives at number 69 Coconut Crescent in Tasmania.
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Follow Up By: TroopyTracker - Friday, Apr 21, 2006 at 20:03
Friday, Apr 21, 2006 at 20:03
GOLD!!!! Wetting myself here!
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Reply By: Willem - Friday, Apr 21, 2006 at 00:38
Friday, Apr 21, 2006 at 00:38
Not really
The CSR is a public thoroughfare and you will still be able to
camp at all the Wells. Just Durba Calvert and a few other
places people are getting excited about.
Best thing to do is to say F.....'em and go your own merry way.
Who the hell is going to police it anyway?
If they were serious about all of this they would create little parks, camping areas and run tours to the sites mentioned in the letter.
It is just bureaucrats flexing their muscles (Uncle you know all about bureaucrats...lol)
I say ignore it.
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Follow Up By: Member - MUZBRY VIC) - Friday, Apr 21, 2006 at 08:07
Friday, Apr 21, 2006 at 08:07
Gday
If the Canning was in Victoria it would have an "E" tag
gate at the start.
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Follow Up By: Wizard1 - Friday, Apr 21, 2006 at 10:08
Friday, Apr 21, 2006 at 10:08
If it were in Victioria it would be privatised, sealed, with service centres and E-tag.
My wife used to work for the Northern Land Council and lets say some of the traditional owners lost their money down a urinal as fast as they got it.....
I do agree with some regulation to stop these 4WD F!@#$wits that seem to be around. I met some of them on Fraser last weekend.
I travelled to Arnhem Land and had to get a permit. Didn't run into any of the idiots you see at "free to enter"
places. One of the best camping and fishing trips I'd done. The money was used to provide facilities such as
toilets and water tanks with showers.
One would hope if they place a fee on the CSR then the funds could be used to provide established camping areas to prevent rouge campers. But I wouldn't hold my breath.
Wizard
Gold Coast
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Follow Up By: GaryInOz (Vic) - Friday, Apr 21, 2006 at 18:38
Friday, Apr 21, 2006 at 18:38
You forgot the speed cameras that would fine you for doing anything other than reversing.
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Reply By: Stuck in Hedland - Friday, Apr 21, 2006 at 18:24
Friday, Apr 21, 2006 at 18:24
Native Title just gives them the right to do do their traditional hunting, fishing etc. Nothing else !!!!!! After spending all my spare time exploring while 'Stuck in Hedland' I soon realised that once away from the grog towns the indiginous of this country have plenty to offer those who have an open mind. I "took the risk" of trying the learn the culture and was shown great hospitality, including being shown
cave paintings never seen by white fellas before, eating some amazing food and seeing
places that will never be on anying GPS
forum.
Native Title is all about the elders wanting to show the (troubled) youth the ways of their past. If the government wants to build a road or a
mine or a dump they can, it's not ownership! just recognition of they past few thousand years.
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Follow Up By: Joe King - Friday, Apr 21, 2006 at 20:13
Friday, Apr 21, 2006 at 20:13
Yep, Its a shame the true elders, not the activists, are not in charge of their troubled youth.
I've worked with a few old murrie's who were nothing but true gentlemen.
Major didn't drink, always nicely dressed with 1/4 rolled sleeves, moleskins with RM boots with cuban heels & believed himself that the "Blackfella should not be allowed drink grog like the old days"
Johnny said one night at the quarters at Mt Fullstop, "its not the
young people fault, they only know what they get shown, when mum & dads at the pub getting drunk and falling over, they don't care what their kids do, nothing good comes from that"
I learnt a lot about the bush from these blokes & have the upmost repect for them, thats why its sad they are ashamed of where their race is heading......
RIP JC
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