Govt. Bandits!!

Submitted: Saturday, Apr 29, 2006 at 14:44
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Just paid $2074.30 to transfer the 2004 Patrol we just bought! I can't understand what service we get for this amount of money - all it appears to do is transfer the vehicle from 1 name and address to another - in fact you don't even get a new piece of paper with your name on it- have to wait until the rego is due.

Is this cost the same in other states? Is there something else it pays for that I don't know about! Can anyone enlighten me? (There goes the new bull bar for a while!!)

Glad we didn't buy a new one - we couldn't afford to transfer it!

Di
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Reply By: Bill n Di - Saturday, Apr 29, 2006 at 14:46

Saturday, Apr 29, 2006 at 14:46
Oops wrong photo!!MPG:3!
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Follow Up By: Exploder - Saturday, Apr 29, 2006 at 15:27

Saturday, Apr 29, 2006 at 15:27
Stamp duty, Oh yeah!!!!
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Reply By: Sand Man (SA) - Saturday, Apr 29, 2006 at 15:09

Saturday, Apr 29, 2006 at 15:09
The Government has to get income from somewhere to pay for the White Collar workers that eventually "process" the paperwork".

It's called Government bureaucracy and helps keep the masses employed.
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Reply By: brian - Saturday, Apr 29, 2006 at 15:10

Saturday, Apr 29, 2006 at 15:10
A tax by anyother name is still a tax,it can be reduced by declaring a lower price but that doesnt always suit....stuck with it im afraid
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Follow Up By: Scoey (QLD) - Sunday, Apr 30, 2006 at 15:26

Sunday, Apr 30, 2006 at 15:26
Not worth declaring a lower price - had a good mate who wrote his truck off 2 months after he bought it. He put a significantly lower price on the stamp duty form and the insurance Co found out and he got paid out at the price he "paid". There's no comeback to that!
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Follow Up By: old mate - Sunday, Apr 30, 2006 at 15:33

Sunday, Apr 30, 2006 at 15:33
I would've fought that with the insurance company. If he had a policy for market value, I would demand it. I paid nearly $7000 less than market for my car and the insurance co told me they would pay market value if I wrote it off even if that value was more than what I paid for it. Your mate got stiffed big time. I hope he has changed companies.
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Reply By: Geoff M (Newcastle, NSW) - Saturday, Apr 29, 2006 at 16:12

Saturday, Apr 29, 2006 at 16:12
Funny thing, it was a government that hung Ned Kelly!!

Don't which state you are in but it sounds like NSW.

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Reply By: Shaker - Saturday, Apr 29, 2006 at 17:20

Saturday, Apr 29, 2006 at 17:20
What state are you in?
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Follow Up By: Bill n Di - Sunday, Apr 30, 2006 at 01:03

Sunday, Apr 30, 2006 at 01:03
WA - the state of excitement!!
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Reply By: Member Boroma 604 - Saturday, Apr 29, 2006 at 17:30

Saturday, Apr 29, 2006 at 17:30
Gooday,
Yes all states have it in Qld we pay 2% OR $2-00 in a hundred $ or part thereof.
NSW is 3% from memory & other states vary but all worse than Qld, think it is about 6% in NT. The only good thing in Qld we escape it on caravans as they are still classed as a trailer so no S/Duty, YET!.
What really annoys me is that with Little Johnnies GST that we would never have, all these state taxes were to be removed. And poiiticians don't lie?, is The Pope Catholic?!!!!!.
Cheers, boroma604.
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Follow Up By: Gramps (NSW) - Saturday, Apr 29, 2006 at 17:42

Saturday, Apr 29, 2006 at 17:42
Little Johnny hits you with GST which Peter Beatup gets all of plus some and Peter B still hits you with state taxes. A pox on both their houses my friend.

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Follow Up By: Shaker - Saturday, Apr 29, 2006 at 23:33

Saturday, Apr 29, 2006 at 23:33
GST was never going to replace purchase stamp duties, & don't forget that wholesale taxes were dropped, which is why electrical goods have never been cheaper.
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Follow Up By: Bill n Di - Sunday, Apr 30, 2006 at 01:05

Sunday, Apr 30, 2006 at 01:05
WA works out at about 6% - I understand a fee to process but 6%!!!
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Follow Up By: Gramps (NSW) - Sunday, Apr 30, 2006 at 01:19

Sunday, Apr 30, 2006 at 01:19
In NSW you pay a transfer fee and stamp duty (unless you have an exemption). Can't remember the transfer fee but from RTA site

"You pay stamp duty on the market value of the vehicle or the price you paid, whichever is greater.

Stamp duty is calculated at 3% of the market value up to $45,000 and 5% on the value over $45,000"

So yes, 6% is exorbitant.

Regards

ps Welcome to the madhouse by the way.
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Follow Up By: Gramps (NSW) - Sunday, Apr 30, 2006 at 01:23

Sunday, Apr 30, 2006 at 01:23
Here's a 'kicker' I just noticed on the same site

"You may also need to pay additional motor vehicle tax if you have bought your vehicle from someone receiving an RTA concession (such as a pensioner)"

Sounds like you'd be reimbursing them for the revenue they lost to the previous owner. Bloody incredible :))))

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Follow Up By: fisho64 - Sunday, Apr 30, 2006 at 01:48

Sunday, Apr 30, 2006 at 01:48
State governments were supposed to phase out Stamp Duty, and other small taxes after receiving their GST money as I understand. some like WA didnt.
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Follow Up By: Gramps (NSW) - Sunday, Apr 30, 2006 at 01:57

Sunday, Apr 30, 2006 at 01:57
It's a pity State Govts don't go the way of the dinosaurs. Absolute WOFTAM the lot of 'em. The money wasted in this country on separate health, education, etc systems and the bureaucracies to administer them is ridiculous.

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Follow Up By: fisho64 - Sunday, Apr 30, 2006 at 02:45

Sunday, Apr 30, 2006 at 02:45
Yeah, I can just imagine WA being governed from Canberra, Sydney or Melbourne.
Not long ago I was working out of Melbourne and I was asked where I lived.
The west Coast I said.
Oh I havent been to Portland for ages was the reply!
And no I am not making that up!
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Follow Up By: Gramps (NSW) - Sunday, Apr 30, 2006 at 09:10

Sunday, Apr 30, 2006 at 09:10
Why not? WA is subsidised to buggery by NSW/Vic, may as well be governed by them as well LOLOLOL

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Follow Up By: fisho64 - Sunday, Apr 30, 2006 at 09:46

Sunday, Apr 30, 2006 at 09:46
hahahahahahaha ROFL
I guess that is why whenever the secession debate arises here, the eastern states cant wait to get rid of WA -- NOT!!!
WA---Australias wallet!!
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Follow Up By: Bill n Di - Sunday, Apr 30, 2006 at 10:39

Sunday, Apr 30, 2006 at 10:39
When we upgrade the caravan later in the year we are seriously thinking of goiing to QLD to buy it - the vans are cheaper and the transfer fee sounds reasonable

Di
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Follow Up By: Gramps (NSW) - Sunday, Apr 30, 2006 at 14:47

Sunday, Apr 30, 2006 at 14:47
hahaha Fisho. Damn meagre pickings around here. Spread some decent burley and only get one bite LOLOL

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Follow Up By: fisho64 - Sunday, Apr 30, 2006 at 16:32

Sunday, Apr 30, 2006 at 16:32
Touch'e Pops!
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Reply By: Nav 8 - Saturday, Apr 29, 2006 at 18:22

Saturday, Apr 29, 2006 at 18:22
I belive WA has the highest stamp duty in Australia. I bought a new caravan about two years ago, stamp duty $3050.00 bloody outragous ripoff and unjustified charge. The money the Government make out of fuel taxes etc not to mention the extra 5 cents a litre road tax on diesel fuel that was brought in years ago to pay for the damage trucks do to the roads( and we who drive diesel 4x4 vehicles also pay) I would like to see how much of it is spent on the roads.
Worst thing is there is nothing anyone can do about it regardless of who we vote for.
I HATE GOVERNMENTS,,,,NAV.
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Follow Up By: joc45 - Saturday, Apr 29, 2006 at 19:19

Saturday, Apr 29, 2006 at 19:19
Quite a few people are travelling from WA to Qld just to get a new 4wd; the saved stamp duty more than pays for the air fare and the return fuel.
A person in the motor trade told me that the WA govt is looking into stopping this "appalling" activity. When I replied to my source that this would contravene free trade between states, I was told that there were a couple of legal loopholes the WA govt could possibly use to get around this. Unbelieveable!
One thing is for certain, if the govt changes at the next election, there will be no change in the stamp duty rate. Just too profitable.
Gerry
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Reply By: Barnesy - Saturday, Apr 29, 2006 at 18:55

Saturday, Apr 29, 2006 at 18:55
We have the best country in the world run by a relatively stable democracy but there is still corruption. the government receives taxes on just about every transaction that is made in the country.

They need money to run public services such as roads and schools but even a lot of those are getting sold off to private enterprise. what is the government doing with all of the tax money? spending it on so-called 'public education campaigns' that always seem to occur just before elections.

what will happen to phone services in the bush once the government sells telstra off?
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Follow Up By: Member - Blue (VIC) - Saturday, Apr 29, 2006 at 23:29

Saturday, Apr 29, 2006 at 23:29
If the gov can shift Telstra... Would you buy it with it's current share performance and all the restrictions imposed on the business by the gov...???
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Monday, May 01, 2006 at 22:23

Monday, May 01, 2006 at 22:23
Why do we need to sell it?

Again, are people stupid enough to believe that "THE PUBLIC WILL BE THE WINNERS WITH CHEAPER THIS CHEAPER THAT"..

No we wont. Once things are private, you can bet your arse cherry on things going UP.
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Follow Up By: Member - Beatit (QLD) - Tuesday, May 02, 2006 at 11:31

Tuesday, May 02, 2006 at 11:31
Too right Truckster! People are gullible and will believe just about anything. I can remember my employer in 1987 saying that we needed to adopt computers to give all us hardworkers extra leisure time. What a joke! Mind you they believed it as well and gave us retirement at 55 to get us out of an under employed workforce. The last laugh is on them as I now enjoy my time on EO while at work.

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Reply By: Member - Crazie (VIC) - Sunday, Apr 30, 2006 at 10:06

Sunday, Apr 30, 2006 at 10:06
What about house stamp duty......... Qld we paid 1-2%, Victoria we paid at least 8%, makes the house stamp duty rediculas..
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Monday, May 01, 2006 at 22:23

Monday, May 01, 2006 at 22:23
I like land tax personally
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Reply By: brian - Sunday, Apr 30, 2006 at 12:30

Sunday, Apr 30, 2006 at 12:30
Just a thought is transfer fee paid by the dealer,does the vehicle get "transferred " to the dealer and then "transferred " from the dealer to the purchaser,does the gov get two transfer fees?????
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Follow Up By: Geoff M (Newcastle, NSW) - Sunday, Apr 30, 2006 at 19:32

Sunday, Apr 30, 2006 at 19:32
Hi Brian,
I've just bought a new Cruiser. I had to pay transfer fee to transfer rego that never existed from the dealer to me!
In this scenario there is no registration to transfer but when your a government don't let facts stand in the way of a good fleecing!!

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Follow Up By: Geoff M (Newcastle, NSW) - Sunday, Apr 30, 2006 at 19:34

Sunday, Apr 30, 2006 at 19:34
Oh, the answer to your question for NSW at least is one transfer fee.

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Reply By: old mate - Sunday, Apr 30, 2006 at 15:13

Sunday, Apr 30, 2006 at 15:13
I read with interest on people's replies saying next time they will buy their next vehicle in QLD for the lower stamp duty. If you buy a car in QLD, to take advantage of the lower stamp duty, you will have to have a QLD address to transfer the registration over to. For that you will need a QLD licence. For that to happen you will have to surrender your original licence, you will need a QLD address and supporting documentation. Then you take the car back to your home state, get it inspected, register it in your home state (ok no stamp duty as the car is now in your name), change your licence back and the travel costs to get to QLD in the first place and getting the car home, is it really worth it?
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Follow Up By: joc45 - Sunday, Apr 30, 2006 at 16:56

Sunday, Apr 30, 2006 at 16:56
Hi, Old Mate,
A Perth friend last year traded his Lexus sedan on a Lexus AWD in NFQ, and he was staying at a hotel up there. He didn't mention any problems, just glee that he'd cheated the WA Govt out of a few thou. But he does usually spend about 3 months up there each year. Perhaps he used a friend's address where he does stay occasionally. Haven't seen him for a while, must ask him how he did it.
Gerry
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Follow Up By: old mate - Sunday, Apr 30, 2006 at 17:08

Sunday, Apr 30, 2006 at 17:08
I will be interested to see how he did it. He would had to use a QLD address and some form of QLD I.D. I'm sure when I bought my car in SA and drove it back to Brisbane to put QLD plates on it, QLD Transport wanted to see a QLD licence as I.D.
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Reply By: Member - Hugh (WA) - Monday, May 01, 2006 at 22:06

Monday, May 01, 2006 at 22:06
Hi Bill & Di,

Eric the Ripper is the man!

My 2nd hand Patrol cost me $3300 in stamp duty last Oct (dearest in Oz). And it doesn't stop there: house stamp duty highest in Oz and with the property market booming over here Gov't is getting a double windfall; land tax has more than doubled in three years; etc.

New budget out soon - interesting to see if we get any relief. I suspect not!

Hugh
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Reply By: Truckster (Vic) - Monday, May 01, 2006 at 22:25

Monday, May 01, 2006 at 22:25
so how much was purchase price?
interested to see how much they are in WA compared.
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Follow Up By: Member - Hugh (WA) - Tuesday, May 02, 2006 at 10:40

Tuesday, May 02, 2006 at 10:40
Truckster,

My new Patrol (not the one shown - haven't updated pics yet) cost me $48,500 from a Nissan stealer. Later 2003 ST-L 3L Auto with only 35k km, unmarked in/out, ARB Sahara bar (colour coded), spots, full length roof rack, cruise control fitted, roof mounted 10" DVD screen + underseat unit, elec trailer brake controller. Wasn't after the elec leather seats but rear aircon great for the tin lids on hot days.

The stealer actually bought the vehicle in VIC (go figure) and trucked over to WA. So I'd say vehicles are cheaper in VIC. I spoke to the owner beforer buying it (guy from Ballarat). Nice fellow, two trips to gold coast and back, no offroad, well looked after. He got $44k as a trade so I don't know if they made much money on it.

Hugh
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Follow Up By: Bill n Di - Tuesday, May 02, 2006 at 18:46

Tuesday, May 02, 2006 at 18:46
We paid $35500.00 - from Magic Nissan in Melville - it was a good price as a Nissan car bought over from VIC and only 35ks on clock.

Magic Nissan are great - they loan us (free) a new/near new Patrol for every show we are demonstrating boat loaders at and so have a good relationship with them.

I always believed that all stamp duty was replaced by GST - and by 2005 - I think WA reneged on this and there was much heated debate between the premiers at their conference, and that little Johnnie weas going to stop WA having the commonwealth monies. Obviously it wasn't enforced!

I feel sorry for people buying their 1st house - the govt. 1st home buyers probably doesn't cover the costs of the stamp duty - makes the govt. real "Indian givers" - its like here is this gift to help you afford to buy your house - and take it back in the other hand!

We had some huge budget excess - billions- so can't see why. To pay Neale Fong's salary I guess

Di

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