Bridgestone 694 v Cooper ATR for the Cape
Submitted: Friday, May 12, 2006 at 11:53
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Robbg
Yeah I know - tyres again!! After the Cape trip (June/July) my Jack will be back to suburban duties, so it's pointless having anything more aggressive that AT's. I've narrowed it down to the 694's ($220 each) and the ATR's ($240 each). Anyone have any experience of the stengths and weaknesses of these tyres? Thanks.
Reply By: Member - Stan (VIC) - Friday, May 12, 2006 at 12:46
Friday, May 12, 2006 at 12:46
The both are not LT tires.... There are LT version of ATR available but it costs more... Otherwise it is a personal choice here - they are both good, but I would
get the LT type tyre for the Cape...
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Follow Up By: Member - John L G - Friday, May 12, 2006 at 13:41
Friday, May 12, 2006 at 13:41
Stan
I beg to differ.
The Bridgestone D694 are a LT tyre. Either Bridgestone have mislabelled their tyres or you have some information they should be made aware of.
My son has them fitted to his LC 100 series and its there in black and rubber on the sidewall.
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Follow Up By: Member - Stan (VIC) - Friday, May 12, 2006 at 13:58
Friday, May 12, 2006 at 13:58
John,
Thanks for letting me know. On their website none of them marked as the LT tire...
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I'll have a chat to the dealer and see what they say...
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Follow Up By: Member - John L G - Friday, May 12, 2006 at 14:45
Friday, May 12, 2006 at 14:45
Stan,
I think we are both correct here.
My son has 285/75/16's on his truck which we have just checked again and it is definitely marked as an LT tyre.
I note from the website that the LT is not indicated BUT the sizes stop at 275/75/16 so perhaps that's where the rub is so to speak. I know from past experience when I tried to find them on that site, that it was a bit of a trick to find the page. Good Luck??
I remember that when we purchased them we insisted on LT and that is what we got so, as Mae West would say " It just comes down to a matter of size"!!!!!!
Cheers
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Follow Up By: Member - John L G - Friday, May 12, 2006 at 14:53
Friday, May 12, 2006 at 14:53
Oh, and I suppose to answer the original post.......
The D694's seem pretty good.
Exceptional in sand but have had no experience with Gibber plains so can't comment on chipping etc
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These have done 40k's now and are in really good nick however son claims they are getting noisier with age - but I think that's pretty common with these types of tyres generally and when new they were super quiet.
Road holding is good, both cornering and braking, with a quiet ride and a pretty sure footed feel with very little creep on heavy cornering etc.
As for others - would't have a clue.
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Reply By: Snowy 3.0iTD - Friday, May 12, 2006 at 13:21
Friday, May 12, 2006 at 13:21
Robbg
I currently have LT285/75R16 694 Duellers on my Patrol, rotating the five tyres (including spare) I have so far gotten 50,000km out of them and expect to get another 20,000 to 30,000 km out of them, about 40% has been mild/heavy off-road work with the rest hot hwy bitumen. At my next tyre change I will be going for something with a more aggressive tread either a MTR or STT. But as a A/T tyre you won't find better in my opinion.
Dry-bitumen grip: Excellent (Noise or lack there of is also good)
Wet-bitumen grip: Excellent
Gravel-grip: Good
Sand: Excellent
Rocks: Okay
Mud: Poor (although all AT tyres will be in this)
Wear: Excellent
Can't remember what size wheels a Jackaroo has but on a 16inch rim the LT285/75 (33in) is actually cheaper than the LT265/75 (32in) although you will need to check the legalities in your state.
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Reply By: Sand Man (SA) - Friday, May 12, 2006 at 13:23
Friday, May 12, 2006 at 13:23
Only have experience with the 694's.
Have done 60,000 kms and the tyres on the rear are now nearing replacement.
(These were originally on the front)
No weaknesses that I can see or feel. Will probably buy the same as replacements.
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Reply By: D-Jack - Friday, May 12, 2006 at 18:09
Friday, May 12, 2006 at 18:09
My coopers AT/Rs in 245/75s were LT construction 10 ply. Cost $239 each about 8 months ago. Done some similar roads to rocky roads you're thinking of (on far west coast of SA) and not even the slightest chip in a few hundred ks. Let them down to about 28 and felt exceptional. Then again, they had only done about 3000 ks at the time. They guy in the Bridgestone
shop told me of his bad experiences with the Bridgies and recommended the Coopers, even though I could get the 694s for $200 (special price of course)
D-Jack
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Reply By: bigcol - Friday, May 12, 2006 at 22:56
Friday, May 12, 2006 at 22:56
Ok guys for the sake of other
forum user's please fill us in on where you are getting the good prices for the tyres from
Cheers
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Reply By: Robbg - Saturday, May 13, 2006 at 17:56
Saturday, May 13, 2006 at 17:56
Thanks for the responses guys - I'll make a final decision in the next week or so.
Rob.
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Reply By: Richard W (NSW) - Monday, May 15, 2006 at 07:40
Monday, May 15, 2006 at 07:40
May have been bad luck but I had a bad run with D694's and would not use them on the TD100 again.
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Follow Up By: Robbg - Monday, May 15, 2006 at 09:03
Monday, May 15, 2006 at 09:03
Hi Richard, could you please clarify how they let you down - too many punctures, poor performace on road, poor longevity? Thanks.
Rob.
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Follow Up By: Richard W (NSW) - Monday, May 15, 2006 at 12:28
Monday, May 15, 2006 at 12:28
Follow the Link below to a thread on overlander and look for Richard's posts. You'll read my sorry tale.
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Follow Up By: Robbg - Monday, May 15, 2006 at 14:36
Monday, May 15, 2006 at 14:36
Thanks Richard, I can see why you're not that happy - sidewall tears and punctures at 25,000kms is poor. I note one of the respondents on Overlander suggested that 3 ply tyres are the go - he did mention Cooper but I don't know which Cooper he was referring to. I'm still wondering about the ATR. Rob.
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Reply By: Member - Beatit (QLD) - Monday, May 15, 2006 at 14:54
Monday, May 15, 2006 at 14:54
I've have the Bridgstone 694's on my truck, we did a
Kimberley?
Simpson Desert trip for a total of 15,000 K and it was going fine till the stretch from
Birdsville to
Windorah. Copped two irrepairable punctures in the rear. Probably my fault as I didn't air down and I was heavily loaded. Replaced them with the same tyres and am happy with the way they are wearing. The front 2 look the same as the rear even though they had done 14,000 K.
The tread is certainly much better (more like A/T's) then the old 693's.
Kind regards
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