Wonder how much a litre of water would cost

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Evening all ,
after watching this movie i was wondering just how much the Governments could charge and or tax water !!

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Reply By: Footloose - Tuesday, May 16, 2006 at 19:46

Tuesday, May 16, 2006 at 19:46
My council charges plenty already !
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Follow Up By: Members-Neil & Margie-Cairns - Tuesday, May 16, 2006 at 20:31

Tuesday, May 16, 2006 at 20:31
Yeah , same up here Footy ,, but just imagine if we all started running our cars on the stuff ,, won't be able to afford the stuff to drink !!

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Follow Up By: Footloose - Tuesday, May 16, 2006 at 20:33

Tuesday, May 16, 2006 at 20:33
Good point...mind you most would drink something else and damm their livers and kidneys :))
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Follow Up By: fisho64 - Tuesday, May 16, 2006 at 21:19

Tuesday, May 16, 2006 at 21:19
what state do you live in?
Councils have nothing to do with water in WA, mainly because it is of such widespread importance that it cant be managed on a small scale?
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Follow Up By: Footloose - Tuesday, May 16, 2006 at 21:21

Tuesday, May 16, 2006 at 21:21
I'm in Qld, but the same applies in NSW and I suspect most other states.
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Reply By: ZUKSCOOTERX90(QLD-MEMBER) - Tuesday, May 16, 2006 at 20:12

Tuesday, May 16, 2006 at 20:12
It would be good ,all we would need is for it to RAIN in qld,cheer's Bob.
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Follow Up By: Members-Neil & Margie-Cairns - Tuesday, May 16, 2006 at 20:29

Tuesday, May 16, 2006 at 20:29
Geees Bob , only to happy to send you some down ,, just let me know how !!

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Follow Up By: Footloose - Tuesday, May 16, 2006 at 20:32

Tuesday, May 16, 2006 at 20:32
Its raining here as I type !
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Follow Up By: Gramps (NSW) - Tuesday, May 16, 2006 at 20:47

Tuesday, May 16, 2006 at 20:47
You guys get far too much rain in Qld anyway. Send some down to us poor, parched Sydneysiders for a change :)))))))
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Follow Up By: ZUKSCOOTERX90(QLD-MEMBER) - Tuesday, May 16, 2006 at 20:48

Tuesday, May 16, 2006 at 20:48
Footy you know it's not nice to brag.
Neil the better way would be via a few big black clouds , waite for the weekend though so i don't have to stop work & we go up to Imbil & play in the muddy forests, cheer's Bob.
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Follow Up By: Footloose - Tuesday, May 16, 2006 at 20:56

Tuesday, May 16, 2006 at 20:56
I'd love to send her down Houghie :)) I've had this room flooded twice this year, because of various reasons we have developed a drainage problem. And when it rains here, the sky falls in. Last time, I was sitting here in the garage typing when I felt the water climbing up my shoes. For an old geyser I can move quickly when necessary :))
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Follow Up By: ZUKSCOOTERX90(QLD-MEMBER) - Tuesday, May 16, 2006 at 21:30

Tuesday, May 16, 2006 at 21:30
Hey cut it out Gramps, we need all the water we can up here in Se Q. How about we send you down some of these bluddy labor pollies. then you can have as much fertiliser & recycled water as you want .

Footy you're around Tweed /Mudgeraba somewhere are you? too much rain/water for you also. Are you sure it was'nt the old geiser filling up his shoes, no wonder you have to move so quickly.
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Follow Up By: Footloose - Tuesday, May 16, 2006 at 21:35

Tuesday, May 16, 2006 at 21:35
Hey scooter, that was a bit below the belt LOL
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Follow Up By: Members-Neil & Margie-Cairns - Tuesday, May 16, 2006 at 21:37

Tuesday, May 16, 2006 at 21:37
Gramps & Bob ,, just tell me how to send it your way ,, we have had far too much up here ,, has been knocking our work around real bad ,, we need the fine weather to stay around so we can get some money up ,, just tell me how , i'll give it a go !!

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Follow Up By: Footloose - Tuesday, May 16, 2006 at 21:42

Tuesday, May 16, 2006 at 21:42
Neil, you'd be in a similar fix to some of the people up on the Cape. Mate of mine was saying that they are losing big $$ because of the weather and roads.
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Follow Up By: Gramps (NSW) - Tuesday, May 16, 2006 at 21:52

Tuesday, May 16, 2006 at 21:52
Bob,

"How about we send you down some of these bluddy labor pollies" I think they're well south of Yamba already. I'm told the best way to deal with them is snap freeze 'em. Just have'nt got a freezer big enough for Beatup or his ego for that matter :))))

Neil, just take a picture of the biggest darkest cloud and email it to our weather bureau after saying the magic words and soinning around three times, nude in your front yard "Pi$$ down in Sydney, pi$$ down in Sydney, pi$$ down in Sydney"
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Follow Up By: Footloose - Tuesday, May 16, 2006 at 21:54

Tuesday, May 16, 2006 at 21:54
Gramps, nude ? Aww please noooooo :))
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Follow Up By: Gramps (NSW) - Tuesday, May 16, 2006 at 22:11

Tuesday, May 16, 2006 at 22:11
hahahaha Footy. That's why there are no mirrors in my bathroom. I've been known to scare the hair off werewolves and frighten white pointers on to the beach LOLOL
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Follow Up By: Gramps (NSW) - Tuesday, May 16, 2006 at 22:13

Tuesday, May 16, 2006 at 22:13
On a more serious note. I'm worried about Neil. Hope he has'nt done himself a serious injury whilst spinning around nude in his front yard mouthing the secret incantation :))))
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Follow Up By: Footloose - Tuesday, May 16, 2006 at 22:24

Tuesday, May 16, 2006 at 22:24
Gramps, I just hope that the weather satellite pictures don't end up being X rated .
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Follow Up By: Members-Neil & Margie-Cairns - Tuesday, May 16, 2006 at 22:26

Tuesday, May 16, 2006 at 22:26
Gramps ,,
front yard no way ,, back yard maybe ,, will take a photo on thursday , thats when they say it'll be back , bloody rain , over it ..

Footy ,,
yeah , the cape is in a bad way , i don't think anyone will be driving up till late in the season this year , all the gear is up there or on its way so as soon as they can , they will be getting into it , road work that is !!

Well that'll do for me tonight ,, bed time !!

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Follow Up By: Trevor R (QLD) - Tuesday, May 16, 2006 at 22:46

Tuesday, May 16, 2006 at 22:46
On a serious note,

I have often wondered why they can't use the water that gets dumped on NQ every year (and eventually runs out to sea) to irrigate the inland and even some of the dryer southern coastal regions. After all if they can build the Snowy hydro scheme for electricity then surely my suggestion shouldn't be too much out of the realms of possible.
Would provide great employment for many years in some very high unemployment areas, not only in the construction phase but also the farms that would prosper from extra water once construction is complete.

My thoughts, Trevor.
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Follow Up By: Pajman Pete (SA) - Tuesday, May 16, 2006 at 22:50

Tuesday, May 16, 2006 at 22:50
Just where are you gramps so I don't google earth into your yard by mistake!

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Follow Up By: Gramps (NSW) - Tuesday, May 16, 2006 at 22:53

Tuesday, May 16, 2006 at 22:53
ROFLMAO

Good one Pete. Keep away from Neil's backyard in Cairns as well :))))
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Follow Up By: Gramps (NSW) - Tuesday, May 16, 2006 at 22:55

Tuesday, May 16, 2006 at 22:55
Trevor,

Because it would take a polly with the foresight and balls to look beyond the next election. Any project of that magnitude would take well over a normal parliamentary term. They only look for quick fixes and instant gratification.
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Follow Up By: Footloose - Tuesday, May 16, 2006 at 23:01

Tuesday, May 16, 2006 at 23:01
Trevor, I have had the same thoughts. The recent proposal in WA to do a similar thing answered my questions. In essence they confirmed what Gramps says .
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Follow Up By: Joe King - Wednesday, May 17, 2006 at 07:21

Wednesday, May 17, 2006 at 07:21
Bob Katter (member for kennedy) has been trying to get it on the table for Years
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Follow Up By: Trevor R (QLD) - Wednesday, May 17, 2006 at 08:41

Wednesday, May 17, 2006 at 08:41
Footloose,

It is my understanding that the Ord river damming was to irrigate farms in an otherwise fairly unproductive region (I may be wrong as usual?) and I thought it was fairly successful in doing this.
If this is true then why can't they expand these ideas to many more rivers accross the north? As you and Al said, no gratification in it for the polly's concerned and less money for them to squander during their term in office.

Joe,
Bob Katter would have to be one of the few polly's that actually stand up and work for what the people of his electorate want. (just my opinion of course from an unqualified perspective)

Cheers, Trevor.
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Follow Up By: ZUKSCOOTERX90(QLD-MEMBER) - Wednesday, May 17, 2006 at 14:54

Wednesday, May 17, 2006 at 14:54
"Bob Katter trying to get it on the table for years"
Did'nt Bill get under the table with Monica Lowinski?
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Reply By: Travelling Pixie - Tuesday, May 16, 2006 at 20:42

Tuesday, May 16, 2006 at 20:42
Water is subsidised as it is. If you paid the true cost of water then you might be unpleasantly surprised at what it is worth.

The governments DO subsidise the cost of water and will likely continue to do so. Could you imagine the demise of a government (local or state) that decided to charge full price for water?
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Follow Up By: Michael ( Moss Vale NSW) - Tuesday, May 16, 2006 at 20:48

Tuesday, May 16, 2006 at 20:48
Well the NSW govt is talking about selling off the snowy mountain scheme. It may happen, full price for water for the benefit of its share holders...
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Follow Up By: Footloose - Tuesday, May 16, 2006 at 20:52

Tuesday, May 16, 2006 at 20:52
WHOA ! Reality check. Governments use WHO'S funds to subsidise the taxpayers water ??
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Follow Up By: Travelling Pixie - Tuesday, May 16, 2006 at 21:04

Tuesday, May 16, 2006 at 21:04
i'm not sure what you mean by "reality check"

anyway, it's no different to Local Governments (Councils) that subsidise development growth in their boundaries through provision of infrastructure

no different to state governments that offer incentives (tax breaks) for national and international businesses to establish in their state

the government(s) do and will continue to subsidise services such as water, sewerage treatment, public transport etc. etc.

perhaps if we were forced to pay true costs for these services then we might behave differently. I know I'd be thinking seriously about how much water evaporates from my swimming pool.

those tankers that fill up from fire hydrants...they would be paying close to true cost. Ask one of them how much they are charged for the water.
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Follow Up By: Footloose - Tuesday, May 16, 2006 at 21:15

Tuesday, May 16, 2006 at 21:15
Govts have (comparitively) NO money of their own. None. Zilch! They re distribute taxpayers money.
Now how they redistribute it is another matter. But subsidising any services or providing any infrastructure is done using our money.
This of course still applies when they borrow money to provide services or infastructure. We still end up paying for it.
Around here, I often hear people on social services talking about "pay day". Makes me mad. It's handout day. Another service provided from the taxpayer via the Govt.
Sorry if I'm being pedantic but a lot of people just don't realize that the govt distributes taxpayers funds. They think that cheating on taxes, or ripping the Govt off is Ok because its Govt money.
There's no such thing.

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Follow Up By: Gramps (NSW) - Tuesday, May 16, 2006 at 21:21

Tuesday, May 16, 2006 at 21:21
Travelling Pixie,

As per Footy's comments, we already pay the true cost of water. Some of the payment is indirect though. Governments have NO money of their own as such. So to say governments subsidise the cost of ANYTHING is a nonsense.
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Follow Up By: Footloose - Tuesday, May 16, 2006 at 21:28

Tuesday, May 16, 2006 at 21:28
Sorry about my soapbox, guys. It seems that anyone mentioning Govts or taxes and I'm straight up on that box !
BTW I totally agree with your sig Gramps :))
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Follow Up By: Travelling Pixie - Tuesday, May 16, 2006 at 22:12

Tuesday, May 16, 2006 at 22:12
...i love a debate... :)

so...i guess if you are talking about Australia in terms of a closed environment (nothing coming in and nothing going out) then I understand what you are getting at. you are saying that the money the government distributes to the people is the same money that it has taken away (in some form) and therefore the true cost is being paid by Australia as a whole. fair enough

the way i look at it is that if a government contributes finances to providing a product or service then i see that as being a subsidy. where those finances comes from is neither here nor there to me - i pay taxes and i have to hope that they are being spent in the right places. in the sense of the word, it is still a subsidy

the topic of the thread was the cost of a litre of water which is what my comment related to. the cost to the individual.
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Follow Up By: Gramps (NSW) - Tuesday, May 16, 2006 at 22:21

Tuesday, May 16, 2006 at 22:21
That is where we will disagree. It does'nt matter whether it is a closed or open environment. Governments have no money, property etc etc of their own per se. It all belongs to, comes from or is managed on behalf of their people i.e. us. For this we pay them and their underlings a princely ransom.

Saying they subsidise anything is similar to the shell and pea trick you get when trading in a vehicle on a new black hole to throw money at :)))))
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Follow Up By: Footloose - Tuesday, May 16, 2006 at 22:22

Tuesday, May 16, 2006 at 22:22
Pixie I see where you're coming from. I guess we were talking about the funding of subsidies.
Debates are good as they force you to think and become good at expressing your thoughts.
Sadly, debates often end in someone attacking the other. Not great.
But on this occasion I think we can all go away smiling ?
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Follow Up By: Footloose - Tuesday, May 16, 2006 at 22:27

Tuesday, May 16, 2006 at 22:27
Gramps, agree as usual. But the princely sum pales into insignificance when we consider the CEO of Macquarie Banks CEO. 24 million for 12 months !
The real question is, what should he pay for a litre of water ?
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Follow Up By: Gramps (NSW) - Tuesday, May 16, 2006 at 22:40

Tuesday, May 16, 2006 at 22:40
Footy,

Yeah, I've already email'd him to confirm I'm available to fill in when he takes his annual leave but only if I can work from home LOLOL
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Follow Up By: Footloose - Tuesday, May 16, 2006 at 22:47

Tuesday, May 16, 2006 at 22:47
I'd be no good, CEO's don't debate, they just say jump and everyone says how high :)) I wonder what allowable deductions he can get courtesy of the best tax lawyers in the country ? As Packer said, "anyone who pays tax in Australia" etc etc.
Nice work of you can get it. I wonder what the poor people are doing tonight ?
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Follow Up By: Gramps (NSW) - Tuesday, May 16, 2006 at 22:51

Tuesday, May 16, 2006 at 22:51
"I wonder what the poor people are doing tonight ?"

We're sitting here slagging off at the fat cats LOLOLOL
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Follow Up By: Pajman Pete (SA) - Tuesday, May 16, 2006 at 22:55

Tuesday, May 16, 2006 at 22:55
Heard on the radio today that the new tax cuts will mean an extra $8,000 in his take home pay EACH WEEK!

the poor sod only makes just over $65,000 a day, not sure how he makes ends meet.

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Follow Up By: Footloose - Tuesday, May 16, 2006 at 22:57

Tuesday, May 16, 2006 at 22:57
Well I am. Still, I dont envy the guy his dough. I couldnt live with myself but I'm sure he can.
Money doesnt make you happy, but it sure makes you comfortable if you're unhappy I guess :))
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Follow Up By: fisho64 - Wednesday, May 17, 2006 at 00:28

Wednesday, May 17, 2006 at 00:28
"As Packer said, "anyone who pays tax in Australia" etc etc.
Nice work of you can get it."

I think he actually said "anybody who pays more tax than he has to is a bloody idiot"
Which is a theme that pops up here regularly I think.

"money doesnt buy happiness, but its better to be rich and miserable than poor and miserable"!
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Follow Up By: Richard Kovac - Wednesday, May 17, 2006 at 00:35

Wednesday, May 17, 2006 at 00:35
Hi Footloose and Gramps

If the Governments have no money or property then how did the commonwealth start, when cookie landed he didn't tax the people he just took there land (tax maybe) when the poms sent the convicts over did they tax them?
The squatters where given the land was this a subsidies?
Why do we have a reserve bank with gold to back up what we are worth? (before they sold it off)
I for one don't mined paying taxes (as it is a way for people less fortunate than me to get a "pay day". a lot less than i do)

water is free the cost is gettting it to the user
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Follow Up By: fisho64 - Wednesday, May 17, 2006 at 01:33

Wednesday, May 17, 2006 at 01:33
"I for one don't mined paying taxes "

I go along with that also. Do the people who complain about the PRINCIPLE of paying taxes wonder how roads, train tracks, bridges, schools, blah blah blah came to be?

There is no better place to be!

Todays homily is

"there is none so blind as he who doesnt WANT to see"
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Follow Up By: Marn - Wednesday, May 17, 2006 at 01:46

Wednesday, May 17, 2006 at 01:46
$ 2.20 a kiloliter here in Broken hill for stuff that is undrinkable without cordial. If anyone wants more water flowing in our rivers then BAN COTTON FARMING!!
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Follow Up By: Joe King - Wednesday, May 17, 2006 at 07:28

Wednesday, May 17, 2006 at 07:28
good point Marn
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Follow Up By: Gramps (NSW) - Wednesday, May 17, 2006 at 17:09

Wednesday, May 17, 2006 at 17:09
Fisho64,

Yes, I think you've got Packer's quote right. I'm still trying to work out where you got the idea that we were complaining about paying taxes :))) If I find it I'll get back to you.

Richard,

We said that Governments do not have any money of their OWN. It is all provided by the taxpayers (individuals, companies, etc). The Commonwealth started from a meeting of the independent States.

I'm not going to go into a long, boring defence of how this country started (or at least the non-indigenous part of it). I suppose the convicts forced labour could be considered a 'tax' of sorts. Pretty long bow though.

The squatters were given land as payment for favours and to produce goods and services for the new colony.

The reserve bank had gold (paid for by taxpayers) as that was the universally accepted method of defining the value of a nations currency at the time.

I don't have a problem with paying fair and equitable taxes either and I'm sure Footy is of the same mind. Again I don't know where you're getting this opinion that we were complaining about paying taxes ????????

As per our comments above, we are already paying for the cost of getting water to the populce via our taxes. Those taxes pay for ALL infrastructure in this country. Governments don't add any more money to it because they don't have any of their own. The only money they have is ours.
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Follow Up By: fisho64 - Wednesday, May 17, 2006 at 22:30

Wednesday, May 17, 2006 at 22:30
quote " For this we pay them and their underlings a princely ransom." unquote

definition of ransom from macquarie dictionary
"the redemption of a slave, prisoner, captured goods etc for a price"
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Follow Up By: Gramps (NSW) - Thursday, May 18, 2006 at 00:43

Thursday, May 18, 2006 at 00:43
Fisho64,

And your point being? I see no reference to taxes.
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