Don't think this visitor is happy

GOLD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I give this a few hours.

Hopefully he doesn't visit East Nowra,he'll find it's about the same! Glad I live in Jervis Bay now.

They used to employ a guy as caretaker, and he would come and check on you every night and morning. He was white but married to a lady in the community. He didn't pull any punches, and was happy to yak to anyone who would listen. Main problem according to him was the sniffers.
There's a huge fence around the parking area that was locked at night. I didn't have any problems at all, but that was 3 years ago.
I suspect that in the very near future the troublemakers could have a bit of a shock coming. Current political climate seems to be against "cultural sensitivity" and tribal law as a defence against committing offences. It could be a proper bunfight, as even some indigineous leaders are calling for the removal of children at risk. Stolen generation Mk2 ??

Why do you people have so much trouble with life. I just smile at everyone and everyone smiles back.

So whats your point Greiglin?

Is this necessary on EO forum? Or are you trying to out do your Barking Dog thread?

We refuelled and bought some goods at Warburton last year. Then we spent more than an hour at the Cultural Art Centre which was quite well set up and interesting to see what type of activities are being worked on in the community. Yes Warburton is a community with its own problems but which community does not have a problem?

Greiglin,

Well it sounds like there are no problems where you come from so bloody go back willya!

Grrr!!!

I think we as a nation are suffering from an horrific pox of political correctness and hyper sensitivity which prevents the problems even being addressed, let alone tackled, head on. The catastrophic plight of the aboriginal people (and that's exactly what it is) is a complex, convoluted and highly distressing situation for everyone involved. Being 'polite' helps nobody. Time someone shouts at the PC nazi's to bleep off and tells it like it is so things can start to happen.

Being fairly well travelled and moving in varied socio / politcal circles, I hear a lot of different views on aboriginal issues. Best description I've heard from a lawyer who received an 'awakening' on her first job in the NT was "ahhhhhh.....these were not Midnight Oil aboriginals". Kind of sums it up nicely I thought.

The government can be racist and discriminatory in it's distribution of educational / housing and welfare - it should also deal with the issues in remote communities the same way.

The curse of grog needs to stamped down upon.
Sniffing is horrendous. No easy solution, but OPAL would appear to be a pretty bloody good start.
Ingrained sexual assault and violence within a community has to stop. If kids need to be taken away, so be it. Not pretty, not nice and may be widely condemned but all kids should get a fair go no matter what. If they lose their culture....well it's better than being beaten and buggered IMHO.

Life is not fair but that's just the way it is. bleep this living in the past bull bleep , lets move on do something constructive.

AAAAAHHH hardcore debate at it's finest, the community within this forum has fierce differences and opinions that run deep.
Are we closer to a solution?
Will we ever find an acceptable solution that appeases this forum?
Transfer this debate to the general public and watch the issue grow, if we can't settle it here, how will the lawmakers cope with 20 million opinions???
Fairness for all, a welfare dependant addict is a pain no matter what the colour, race or location.
I don't expect a free ride from the Queen because one of her rellies booted my thieving great, great etc. grandfather out of England and on a boat to Australia.
EVERYONE is responsible for their own actions and should be held accountable as such.
No-one should be above the law, no-one should be a protected species.
The indigenous folk have so much to offer us, they could do with a good PR person and perhaps as a whole community they could do with looking inwards to see what everyone else sees.

I am not going to take sides as I see little merit in doing so.

However, burying ones head in the sand and ignoring something will not make it go away.

I pray that sooner rather than later, the indigenous and non-indigenous citizens of this country will show some maturity and OPENLY discuss and resolve the issues surrounding them BOTH.

As other posters have pointed out, the all pervasive political correctness that stifles any solution to these matters is just as applicable to Warburton, Alice Springs, Cronulla, Redfern, Macquarie Fields, Bankstown etc etc etc.

And before anyone decides to attach the racist label to me ( as one poster did recently before crawling back under his rock), YES, I agree the original post is racist in its overtones.

There won't be a quick fix. we have to overcome 200 years of forced social welfare dependency and despair. burying heads in the sand won't help, neither does political grandstanding on a soapbox from an office in Canberra.

Many aboriginals in these remote areas have an inherent mistrust of white people. if they didn't grow up hearing stories of abuse at the hands of whites they are the subjects of endless "scientific anthropological studies" about their communities.

A few years ago when i told my uni lecturer i wanted to be a remote area nurse in aboriginal communities she gave me one piece of advice (she'd also worked remote):
"you can't change the world. just go there, do your job the best you can and hope you make a difference, that's all you can do".

I'm hoping these places can get sorted out with consultation between respected community elders and understanding governments. and open their doors so the bush tourer can get to know what these people have to offer.

Barnesy

Hi, all,

I spent a night in Warburton last August (not camping, I hired a cabin). Of course, I heard a lot of noise coming from the nearby community at night, and I saw the huge police station with the huge police truck near the roadhouse.

However, I shoped in the roadhouse without problems, had diner in the community kitchen with some nice people, had no problems with the Troopy (diesel).

We did not see any aboes inside the camp ground, which gate was NOT closed at night.

My wife jogged around in the morning, without any problem.

I was only told from the girl in the shop that the aboes were very destructive...

Maybe we were very lucky, or not enough aware of dangers (I had been warned about Warburton before, asked questions on the forum last year, and it did not look so dangerous..... anyway less dangerous than the suburbs of our big towns at night - France - where the youngsters - mostly imigrates - burned thousands of cars last December - I must confess: every one here locks the doors of the cars when travelling in these areas).

I have a question: from which country came the visitor ??

Cheers

Eric

One of the major problems is the Elders are no longer treated with respect. This is the sad part, the whole generational social fabric is being ripped apart by sniffing, wooblah and government sponsored self pity.

If the kids are being raised by second generation f*ckups, the tribal traditions have already been lost (unless they are convenient of course). These kids don't give a rats arse what the elders have to say and will observe their rulings as much as the so called 'white c*nts' law.

Contary to the Paddington, Cottesloe, Prarahn (?) latte set's belief, these aren't some traditionally raised, spiritually aware and mysterious children who have run off the rails a bit and need a gentle push back in the right direction. These are now products of multi-generational societies with ingrained and endemic chronic alcoholism, violence and sexual / substance abuse problems.

Plain fact of the matter is these people are not buying a carton of Emu Export or a box of fruity lexia on pension day and tieing one on for a few days then going back to the campfire to tell dreamtime stories about Wagyl and having corroborees. If you really think that, go buy a Midnight Oil CD and talk earnestly over your chardonnay and brie at the Double Bay art gallery. These kids are being raised (for want of a better word) by fulltime f*ckups who to any right minded person would deem unfit and lacking the responsibility to nurture a child.

Australian kids are being born with foetal alcohol syndrome and then raised by brain damaged parents to endure a childhood of sexual abuse and violence. This is a HORROR and the cycle must be stopped, even if it means upsetting peoples feelings. Desperate times call for desperate measures and if this isn't desperate - what is?

I'm afraid that V8 is quite correct, and raising the level of awareness about such matters is long overdue. The problem is that such awareness doesn't include the underlying causes which are many and complex.
That being so, the time for action has come. The communities can either live in the present or the past, but they must accept that they are part of a larger culture now whose laws do not accept such destructive behaviour. On the flip side we caused many of the problems, and it is up to us to restore some sense of identity and pride to these places. To help them to have a future.
I'm not just talking about throwing money at them, been there done that and got the resulting problems.
Yes, lets talk Law and Order. But lets also talk about the survival of fellow Australians. And the sooner both we and they consider themselves as such, the sooner we can begin !

I hate these topics...
but ....and theres always a BUT.......

I'm with the OS worker complaining about the waste of money on persons, which happens to be all directed towards a particular race....

hell Im giving the SA government heaps over the proposed tram extension in adeliade, lack of electricty, our stupoid road palnners who build a carriage way to from the outer districts/suburbs only to be bottled up at two major city intersections, escalating govt costs, and so called semi professional (and pro's) bicycle riders who dont obey traffic laws...especially those who wear polypropolyne tights...ever seen em stop at a red light on thru rd at a T junction?

Why not express your concerns?

To lighten things up a little I have included a little joke that is very related to this topic. And no it's not a racist one either.

There are rumours that Anthony Mundine's performance at his recent world title fight was drug assisted, Apparently " The Man " did not provide a urine sample after the fight.

It has also been revealed that he has in fact never provided a urine sample during his entire sporting career (NRL or BOXING) A spokesman for Mundine has stated that the boxer is protected by Commonwealth and International law, which makes it illegal to take the piss out of Aboriginals.